Do you consider Jordans Bulls a Super Team?

[OdomFan]

I don't consider the 1991-1993 Bulls a super team, but I consider the 1996-1998 Bulls a super team. The addition of Rodman, who was arguably the best defensive player and most versatile defender in the league, as well as the best rebounder in the league, was HUGE. In fact, Rodman may have been the Bulls most important player in the 1996 playoffs. He did a fantastic job on Shaq in the ECF and was arguably the Bulls most important player in the finals against the Sonics.



He was the perfect low maintenance, low usage player to play alongside Jordan and Pippen that could do all the dirty work.

Rodman was another superstar level impact player (defensively) that got added to what was arguably already a top 3 team in the league.

See, this is the first reasonable post I’ve seen with this opinion. Everything you wrote objectively makes sense, you backed it up with logic, and even though I disagree, I can respect that take.

91-93 was clearly not. By 98, everyone was far too old and hobbled by the finals to be considered one, especially with Pippen’s back. But if you consider the Bulls a superteam for these reasons, fair enough. But there were multiple teams built extremely well in the same vain when considering both ends, such as the Sonics, Jazz etc

And they made up for it in other areas. The Bulls had three of the best defenders while the Sonics had two, but they had a much better big and could get buckets. That Sonics squad was one of the best defensive teams of all time.

When one player has to clinch a championship by barely winning the game while having over 50% of the team’s points in that game, it’s probably not a superteam. I’d be curious if that’s ever happened before on any so called super team.

Fair, and although the Sonics had two great players, the Bulls big 3 was too formidable.

Jordan - undisputed #1 player in the league
Pippen - top 10 player in the league (some may say arguably top 5)
Rodman - arguably top 15 in the league and top 3 defensively

Payton was a top 10 player and Kemp was a top 20 player, but not as good as Jordan or Pippen.

So the Bulls had 2 superstar level MVP players and another all-star whereas the Sonics had a superstar level player and an all-star.

Gary Payton and Shawn Kemp were both considered superstars in the 1990s, and one of the greatest duos in the league at the time. Arguably the greatest duo in the history of the franchise. Surrounded by very good role players in Hersey Hawkins, Detlef Schrempf, Sam Perkins, and Nate McMillian to name the top core.

Rodman did a good job in that series against the Reign Man, but Shawn Kemp was still getting his against him more often than not. The Sonics started slow but proved their worthiness with the 2 wins. Things could have been more challenging if Karl simply put Payton on MJ sooner.

[ScrantonBulls]

See, this is the first reasonable post I’ve seen with this opinion. Everything you wrote objectively makes sense, you backed it up with logic, and even though I disagree, I can respect that take.

91-93 was clearly not. By 98, everyone was far too old and hobbled by the finals to be considered one, especially with Pippen’s back. But if you consider the Bulls a superteam for these reasons, fair enough. But there were multiple teams built extremely well in the same vain when considering both ends, such as the Sonics, Jazz etc

And they made up for it in other areas. The Bulls had three of the best defenders while the Sonics had two, but they had a much better big and could get buckets. That Sonics squad was one of the best defensive teams of all time.

When one player has to clinch a championship by barely winning the game while having over 50% of the team’s points in that game, it’s probably not a superteam. I’d be curious if that’s ever happened before on any so called super team.

Fair, and although the Sonics had two great players, the Bulls big 3 was too formidable.

Jordan - undisputed #1 player in the league
Pippen - top 10 player in the league (some may say arguably top 5)
Rodman - arguably top 15 in the league and top 3 defensively

Payton was a top 10 player and Kemp was a top 20 player, but not as good as Jordan or Pippen.

So the Bulls had 2 superstar level MVP players and another all-star whereas the Sonics had a superstar level player and an all-star.

Hersey Hawkins and Detlef Schrempf were both all stars.

BJ Armstrong and Horace Grant were also all stars. Thank you for confirming the 91-93 threepeat was a superteam.

[NZB2323]

Fair, and although the Sonics had two great players, the Bulls big 3 was too formidable.

Jordan - undisputed #1 player in the league
Pippen - top 10 player in the league (some may say arguably top 5)
Rodman - arguably top 15 in the league and top 3 defensively

Payton was a top 10 player and Kemp was a top 20 player, but not as good as Jordan or Pippen.

So the Bulls had 2 superstar level MVP players and another all-star whereas the Sonics had a superstar level player and an all-star.

Hersey Hawkins and Detlef Schrempf were both all stars.

BJ Armstrong and Horace Grant were also all stars. Thank you for confirming the 91-93 threepeat was a superteam.

BJ averaged 6, 3, and 2 in the 91 playoffs, but he’s the reason why the 91 team was a superteam?

If we’re just counting players who were all-stars at some point in their careers, the 2022 Lakers had LeBron, AD, Westbrook, Melo, Isiah Thomas, Dwight Howard, Rondo, and DeAndre Jordan. Were they a superteam?

[ScrantonBulls]

Hersey Hawkins and Detlef Schrempf were both all stars.

BJ Armstrong and Horace Grant were also all stars. Thank you for confirming the 91-93 threepeat was a superteam.

BJ averaged 6, 3, and 2 in the 91 playoffs, but he’s the reason why the 91 team was a superteam?

If we’re just counting players who were all-stars at some point in their careers, the 2022 Lakers had LeBron, AD, Westbrook, Melo, Isiah Thomas, Dwight Howard, Rondo, and DeAndre Jordan. Were they a superteam?

I was being slightly facetious there. But the 91-93 team was absolutely a superteam.

- Unquestionably the best player in the league, top SG defender
- top 10 player in the league, top SF defender
- fringe all-star and multiple all-defensive player (Horace Grant)
- great depth with players like BJ, Paxson, Cartwright.

The biggest reason was Jordan-Scottie-Horace. We all know about their accolades, but the fact that they were all DPOY candidates and all-defensive players was huge. That's half the damn game, and they were phenomenal on that end.

That's a superteam, fam. 96-98 was so obviously a superteam that it doesn't need anymore justification.

[ScrantonBulls]

So because super teams weren't a thing before 2011, they never existed?

I just can’t anymore. FFS. God help us all.

1996 Bulls
-MVP of the year
-Coach of the year
-Scoring champ
-Rebounding champ
-2 All-NBA 1st team
-3 All-defensive 1st team
-6th man of the year
-2nd best 3-point shooter
-DPOY runner-up
-2 players in Top 5 in MVP voting

"nOt A sUpErTeAm"

[OdomFan]

BJ Armstrong and Horace Grant were also all stars. Thank you for confirming the 91-93 threepeat was a superteam.

BJ averaged 6, 3, and 2 in the 91 playoffs, but he’s the reason why the 91 team was a superteam?

If we’re just counting players who were all-stars at some point in their careers, the 2022 Lakers had LeBron, AD, Westbrook, Melo, Isiah Thomas, Dwight Howard, Rondo, and DeAndre Jordan. Were they a superteam?

I was being slightly facetious there. But the 91-93 team was absolutely a superteam.

- Unquestionably the best player in the league, top SG defender
- top 10 player in the league, top SF defender
- fringe all-star and multiple all-defensive player (Horace Grant)
- great depth with players like BJ, Paxson, Cartwright.

The biggest reason was Jordan-Scottie-Horace. We all know about their accolades, but the fact that they were all DPOY candidates and all-defensive players was huge. That's half the damn game, and they were phenomenal on that end.

That's a superteam, fam. 96-98 was so obviously a superteam that it doesn't need anymore justification.

Are role players that are put around a star(s) generally not supposed to be good at the game? because I'm not getting your logic here. BJ Armstrong was a good role player. capable of putting the ball in the basket and playing solid defense, but no where close to a consistent star. Same with Kukoc, Paxon, Cartwright, Kerr, Caffey, Williams, Longley, and Burrell to name a few from both eras.

Neither of those rosters were super by any stretch of the imagination.

[MavsDirk41]

If the 91-93 Bulls were a superteam then most teams that win the nba championship are superteams. Might as well call the bubble Lakers team of James, Davis, Rondo, Howard, Caruso, Green, and Kuzma a superteam as well then. Heck every championship team is a superteam.

[bledredwine]

I don't consider the 1991-1993 Bulls a super team, but I consider the 1996-1998 Bulls a super team. The addition of Rodman, who was arguably the best defensive player and most versatile defender in the league, as well as the best rebounder in the league, was HUGE. In fact, Rodman may have been the Bulls most important player in the 1996 playoffs. He did a fantastic job on Shaq in the ECF and was arguably the Bulls most important player in the finals against the Sonics.



He was the perfect low maintenance, low usage player to play alongside Jordan and Pippen that could do all the dirty work.

Rodman was another superstar level impact player (defensively) that got added to what was arguably already a top 3 team in the league.

See, this is the first reasonable post I’ve seen with this opinion. Everything you wrote objectively makes sense, you backed it up with logic, and even though I disagree, I can respect that take.

91-93 was clearly not. By 98, everyone was far too old and hobbled by the finals to be considered one, especially with Pippen’s back. But if you consider the Bulls a superteam for these reasons, fair enough. But there were multiple teams built extremely well in the same vain when considering both ends, such as the Sonics, Jazz etc

And they made up for it in other areas. The Bulls had three of the best defenders while the Sonics had two, but they had a much better big and could get buckets. That Sonics squad was one of the best defensive teams of all time.

When one player has to clinch a championship by barely winning the game while having over 50% of the team’s points in that game, it’s probably not a superteam. I’d be curious if that’s ever happened before on any so called super team.

Fair, and although the Sonics had two great players, the Bulls big 3 was too formidable.

Jordan - undisputed #1 player in the league
Pippen - top 10 player in the league (some may say arguably top 5)
Rodman - arguably top 15 in the league and top 3 defensively

Payton was a top 10 player and Kemp was a top 20 player, but not as good as Jordan or Pippen.

So the Bulls had 2 superstar level MVP players and another all-star whereas the Sonics had a superstar level player and an all-star.

Rodman at 15 is quite a stretch. Even the PC forum ranked him at around 91, which I would agree with. It was particularly important to have great bigs during that time, and especially a help for scoring. If the Bulls had one, they actually would have been unstoppable.

Kemp and Payton were considered superstars, especially considering how dominant they were defensively as well.

[QMemphis]

No because only Scottie could lead a team to a winning season as the guy. The rest of the guys were elite role players. Luckily looks like the NBA may be trending more to that style of ball (with help from the CBA).

Heatles, 17 Warriors, 80’s Lakers and 80’s Celtics probably are the only legit super teams in the modern era that had 3 guys that could all lead a team of role players to the playoffs.

Surely 08 celts would count right? They had multiple #1 options of playoff teams and that didnt include rondo, who made the all star team playing with them.

Most don’t remember how that team came to fruition. KG, Ray and Paul were all leading their respective teams to the lottery not playoffs.

The Celtics sucked traded their lotto Jeff Green to Seattle

Seattle also sucked they drafted KD

Timberwolves sucked they received 6 young prospects including Al Jefferson.

[Iwasawitness]

No because only Scottie could lead a team to a winning season as the guy. The rest of the guys were elite role players. Luckily looks like the NBA may be trending more to that style of ball (with help from the CBA).

Heatles, 17 Warriors, 80’s Lakers and 80’s Celtics probably are the only legit super teams in the modern era that had 3 guys that could all lead a team of role players to the playoffs.

Surely 08 celts would count right? They had multiple #1 options of playoff teams and that didnt include rondo, who made the all star team playing with them.

Most don’t remember how that team came to fruition. KG, Ray and Paul were all leading their respective teams to the lottery not playoffs.

The Celtics sucked traded their lotto Jeff Green to Seattle

Seattle also sucked they drafted KD

Timberwolves sucked they received 6 young prospects including Al Jefferson.

How does this mean it wasn't a super team?

[Hoop Hunter]

I'm gonna say no. Rodman was in his mid-30s and past his prime when he joined Chicago. And dude was a shell of his former self in 1998.

Exactualy.

After he left Detroit he was a negative player because of attitude. He was a ass in San Antonio, nothing but trouble.

Chicago and Jordan were the only team that keep him in line.

[ShootersShoot]

No because only Scottie could lead a team to a winning season as the guy. The rest of the guys were elite role players. Luckily looks like the NBA may be trending more to that style of ball (with help from the CBA).

Heatles, 17 Warriors, 80’s Lakers and 80’s Celtics probably are the only legit super teams in the modern era that had 3 guys that could all lead a team of role players to the playoffs.

Surely 08 celts would count right? They had multiple #1 options of playoff teams and that didnt include rondo, who made the all star team playing with them.

Most don’t remember how that team came to fruition. KG, Ray and Paul were all leading their respective teams to the lottery not playoffs.

The Celtics sucked traded their lotto Jeff Green to Seattle

Seattle also sucked they drafted KD

Timberwolves sucked they received 6 young prospects including Al Jefferson.

Their big 3 did lead teams to the playoffs in previous years. Why do they have to lead their teams to the playoffs the year before they came together? Its such a nonsensical requirement for a super team.

[Heat3]

I'm gonna say no. Rodman was in his mid-30s and past his prime when he joined Chicago. And dude was a shell of his former self in 1998.

Actually.

After he left Detroit he was a negative player because of attitude. He was a ass in San Antonio, nothing but trouble.

Chicago and Jordan were the only team that keep him in line.

Yep. When he joined the Bulls I don't remember anyone freaking out about them being a super team. It was more along the lines of he's a good defensive player and rebounder that will be a benefit if he behaves himself. And how long will Jordan put up with his stuff lol

[ShootersShoot]

Surely 08 celts would count right? They had multiple #1 options of playoff teams and that didnt include rondo, who made the all star team playing with them.

Most don’t remember how that team came to fruition. KG, Ray and Paul were all leading their respective teams to the lottery not playoffs.

The Celtics sucked traded their lotto Jeff Green to Seattle

Seattle also sucked they drafted KD

Timberwolves sucked they received 6 young prospects including Al Jefferson.

How does this mean it wasn't a super team?

Also bosh did not lead his team to the playoffs the year before he joined the heat.

Robert parish didnt lead his team to the playoffs before he joined the celts either.

[VanWest82]

Most don’t remember how that team came to fruition. KG, Ray and Paul were all leading their respective teams to the lottery not playoffs.

The Celtics sucked traded their lotto Jeff Green to Seattle

Seattle also sucked they drafted KD

Timberwolves sucked they received 6 young prospects including Al Jefferson.

How does this mean it wasn't a super team?

Also bosh did not lead his team to the playoffs the year before he joined the heat.

Because he got hurt and played the last third of the season injured. He led Raps to playoffs in 07 and 08 and still finished 12th in MVP voting in 2010 despite the injury. Bosh was arguably a top 10 player when he joined the Heat. Having three top 10 players, including the best player and a top 3 player all agree to join forces in their primes will forever go down as both the top example (with no other contenders) as a super team and also the weakest moment by top talent probably in NBA history.

RE Celtics: All three of Allen, Pierce, and Garnett were past their prime. Ray was considerably past his prime at that point. It was closer to 97 Rockets which did look weak in the moment but everyone also understood those guys were past it.

[Mirotic12]

Scottie Pippen was arguably the 5th best player in the league for most of the 90s.

1. Jordan
2. Hakeem
3. Robinson
4. Malone
5. Barkley

To me these are the only guys who were better than Pippen, and even 4 and 5 are arguable because of Pjppens defense.

No other star other than MJ had anything like that.

I think you can make the case for Pippen being third.

[ScrantonBulls]

BJ averaged 6, 3, and 2 in the 91 playoffs, but he’s the reason why the 91 team was a superteam?

If we’re just counting players who were all-stars at some point in their careers, the 2022 Lakers had LeBron, AD, Westbrook, Melo, Isiah Thomas, Dwight Howard, Rondo, and DeAndre Jordan. Were they a superteam?

I was being slightly facetious there. But the 91-93 team was absolutely a superteam.

- Unquestionably the best player in the league, top SG defender
- top 10 player in the league, top SF defender
- fringe all-star and multiple all-defensive player (Horace Grant)
- great depth with players like BJ, Paxson, Cartwright.

The biggest reason was Jordan-Scottie-Horace. We all know about their accolades, but the fact that they were all DPOY candidates and all-defensive players was huge. That's half the damn game, and they were phenomenal on that end.

That's a superteam, fam. 96-98 was so obviously a superteam that it doesn't need anymore justification.

Are role players that are put around a star(s) generally not supposed to be good at the game? because I'm not getting your logic here. BJ Armstrong was a good role player. capable of putting the ball in the basket and playing solid defense, but no where close to a consistent star. Same with Kukoc, Paxon, Cartwright, Kerr, Caffey, Williams, Longley, and Burrell to name a few from both eras.

Neither of those rosters were super by any stretch of the imagination.

1996 Bulls
-MVP of the year
-Coach of the year
-Scoring champ
-Rebounding champ
-2 All-NBA 1st team
-3 All-defensive 1st team
-6th man of the year
-2nd best 3-point shooter
-DPOY runner-up
-2 players in Top 5 in MVP voting

"nOt A sUpErTeAm"

[ScrantonBulls]

Scottie Pippen was arguably the 5th best player in the league for most of the 90s.

1. Jordan
2. Hakeem
3. Robinson
4. Malone
5. Barkley

To me these are the only guys who were better than Pippen, and even 4 and 5 are arguable because of Pjppens defense.

No other star other than MJ had anything like that.

I think you can make the case for Pippen being third.

Yep. People just feel to need to underrate Pippen because they think it makes Jordan look better. Really pathetic mental gymnastics.

[Mirotic12]

Best Australian player? Who was Longley’s competition for that?

I don't think Longley was the best Australian player at that time. I'd go third best.

1. Andrew Gaze
2. Shane Heal
3. Luc Longley

[NZB2323]

How does this mean it wasn't a super team?

Also bosh did not lead his team to the playoffs the year before he joined the heat.

Because he got hurt and played the last third of the season injured. He led Raps to playoffs in 07 and 08 and still finished 12th in MVP voting in 2010 despite the injury. Bosh was arguably a top 10 player when he joined the Heat. Having three top 10 players, including the best player and a top 3 player all agree to join forces in their primes will forever go down as both the top example (with no other contenders) as a super team and also the weakest moment by top talent probably in NBA history.

RE Celtics: All three of Allen, Pierce, and Garnett were past their prime. Ray was considerably past his prime at that point. It was closer to 97 Rockets which did look weak in the moment but everyone also understood those guys were past it.

I don’t think Bosh has an argument for top 10. I don’t think he was ever a top 10 player. 2007 is the only year he made all-NBA, but that was over KG.

He didn’t make all-NBA in 2010 and neither did Derrick Rose, KG, or CP3, who I would have above Bosh, although if the team was positionless Bosh would have an argument over Joe Johnson and Andrew Bogut.