Shams: Kings Trade Jonas Valunciunas to the Nuggets for Dario Saric; *UPDATE* - Trade is Now Official

[tsherkin]

ngl, the fact that someone would rather play overseas than try and contend as a backup to Jokic hurts his legacy

It has no impact at all. Some Europeans never truly enjoy living in the US, for example Rubio, Mirotic, even Jokic. Mind you Rubio had a bunch of other general issues just like Mirotic.

Once you're financially set, why not take full control over where you want to live. In addition, Valanciunas will have a bigger role in Europe. Of course, he could always play in Europe when he's old and injured, but that kinda sucks.

Also, Jonas has no legacy, so even more so, he doesn't give one hint of a crap about affecting his.

[KnicksGadfly]

how did Perry not know about this? The trade exemption could have been the Kings instead if not for this trade no?. Now it goes to the Nuggets instead? If so this is a major red flag for our new G.M. Though I'm sure people will attempt to blame Vivek I'm sure.

Nah, Scott Perry is terrible. This is probably not too bad in terms of what he can do to your team though.

[mkot]

ngl, the fact that someone would rather play overseas than try and contend as a backup to Jokic hurts his legacy

It has no impact at all. Some Europeans never truly enjoy living in the US, for example Rubio, Mirotic, even Jokic. Mind you Rubio had a bunch of other general issues just like Mirotic.

Many Americans just assume the US is the best place on Earth to live and it's everyone's dream home

[Handlez]

Jokic finally gets help and he chooses to sign overseas.

WTF.

Why not show Jokic respect and help a fellow European while trying to win a title?

This is such BS.

Do players not want to play with Jokic?

Sucks.

[redslastlaugh]

This thread is on page 21, so I apologize if this has already been addressed.
If Jonas Valanciunas no longer wants to play in the NBA it doesnt matter if he has a contract
Players are allowed to retire.
Why can he not just retire from the NBA and the remainder of his contract is voided and he can go do whatever he wants with the rest of his life??

[psimanic1]

This thread is on page 21, so I apologize if this has already been addressed.
If Jonas Valanciunas no longer wants to play in the NBA it doesnt matter if he has a contract
Players are allowed to retire.
Why can he not just retire from the NBA and the remainder of his contract is voided and he can go do whatever he wants with the rest of his life??

if it comes to him wanting to leave, Nuggets will probably let him but he has to agree on a full buyout so Denver has something from it, but my guess is he wanted to do so while he was in SAC, talked with PAO and didnt want to decline meeting with them after the trade, but wanted to go in person and tell them he is staying...I could be wrong ofc, but thats what I think of it..also, Greece is nice this time of the year, why not go on a vacation while he is there, a lot of nice islands to visit...Im just finishing my vacation in Greece

[Godymas]

ngl, the fact that someone would rather play overseas than try and contend as a backup to Jokic hurts his legacy

It has no impact at all. Some Europeans never truly enjoy living in the US, for example Rubio, Mirotic, even Jokic. Mind you Rubio had a bunch of other general issues just like Mirotic.

Many Americans just assume the US is the best place on Earth to live and it's everyone's dream home

If nuclear war breaks out America is winning

[lambchop]

Jokic finally gets help and he chooses to sign overseas.

WTF.

Why not show Jokic respect and help a fellow European while trying to win a title?

This is such BS.

Do players not want to play with Jokic?

Sucks.

In eastern Europe there's definitely more nuance to being a "fellow European".

That said, there are always certain players that struggle to play with certain superstars. Eric Paschall spoke about how difficult it was to play with Steph, LBJ is another obvious one and I'm sure there are guys that dread the idea of playing with Jokic too.

But that's just in the nature of the game and is no knock on anyone.

[kenwood3333]

His reported oversea deal is 12 mil for 3 years, and he has 20 mil for 2 years left on his existing contract, why would he consider leaving the nba for less money and more years?

[greekman]

It has no impact at all. Some Europeans never truly enjoy living in the US, for example Rubio, Mirotic, even Jokic. Mind you Rubio had a bunch of other general issues just like Mirotic.

Many Americans just assume the US is the best place on Earth to live and it's everyone's dream home

If nuclear war breaks out America is winning

they have so much to lose in a nuclear war there is no way they 'win'. the economy and dollar would crash.

[og15]

Jokic finally gets help and he chooses to sign overseas.

WTF.

Why not show Jokic respect and help a fellow European while trying to win a title?

This is such BS.

Do players not want to play with Jokic?

Sucks.

In eastern Europe there's definitely more nuance to being a "fellow European".

That said, there are always certain players that struggle to play with certain superstars. Eric Paschall spoke about how difficult it was to play with Steph, LBJ is another obvious one and I'm sure there are guys that dread the idea of playing with Jokic too.

But that's just in the nature of the game and is no knock on anyone.

And he really wouldn't be playing "with Jokic", he would be backing up Jokic and playing with him sparingly, while only guaranteed like 14 mpg in the regular season and like 10-12 mpg in the post-season. His career low mpg was last season, and it was 18.8 mpg, he's not oblivious to how minutes work and thinking he'll somehow be playing much. So that's also a factor as it's not like he's a PF who decided he didn't want to play with Jokic.

His reported oversea deal is 12 mil for 3 years, and he has 20 mil for 2 years left on his existing contract, why would he consider leaving the nba for less money and more years?

That's an after tax amount, it's net 12 million Euros, so about $13 million USD, and his NBA deal has a team option for 26-27, so only $10 million is guaranteed. So if you add other perks like closer to home, better role for him, longer guaranteed deal, etc, the logic is there.

[Castle Black]

ngl, the fact that someone would rather play overseas than try and contend as a backup to Jokic hurts his legacy

You gotta be trolling

[Nuntius]

ngl, the fact that someone would rather play overseas than try and contend as a backup to Jokic hurts his legacy

You gotta be trolling

I think that there's a chance that he was talking about Jokic's legacy. I'm not willing to believe that anyone would think that Val has some kind of legacy.

[Nuntius]

His reported oversea deal is 12 mil for 3 years, and he has 20 mil for 2 years left on his existing contract, why would he consider leaving the nba for less money and more years?

On top of og15's response, it's important to point out that if he does move, it will be much easier for him to see his family which is an important factor as well.

[AleksandarN]

It has no impact at all. Some Europeans never truly enjoy living in the US, for example Rubio, Mirotic, even Jokic. Mind you Rubio had a bunch of other general issues just like Mirotic.

Many Americans just assume the US is the best place on Earth to live and it's everyone's dream home

If nuclear war breaks out America is winning

If nuclear war breaks out news flash no one is winning.

[canada_dry]

Off topic Hows rubio been over in spain? Can anyone here that follows European hoops give me a bit if an update on him?

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[Deathray]

Jokic finally gets help and he chooses to sign overseas.

WTF.

Why not show Jokic respect and help a fellow European while trying to win a title?

This is such BS.

Do players not want to play with Jokic?

Sucks.

Why does JV owe Jokic or anybody else anything. If he's tired of flying 15 hours to go home and wants to live closer to Lithuania in nice warm Athens why should he put that off for a year to play for Denver. Jonas is a grown man. He can do what he wants as long as it is contractually permitted.

[BruttoNostra]

Jokic finally gets help and he chooses to sign overseas.

WTF.

Why not show Jokic respect and help a fellow European while trying to win a title?

This is such BS.

Do players not want to play with Jokic?

Sucks.

In eastern Europe there's definitely more nuance to being a "fellow European".

That said, there are always certain players that struggle to play with certain superstars. Eric Paschall spoke about how difficult it was to play with Steph, LBJ is another obvious one and I'm sure there are guys that dread the idea of playing with Jokic too.

But that's just in the nature of the game and is no knock on anyone.

And he really wouldn't be playing "with Jokic", he would be backing up Jokic and playing with him sparingly, while only guaranteed like 14 mpg in the regular season and like 10-12 mpg in the post-season. His career low mpg was last season, and it was 18.8 mpg, he's not oblivious to how minutes work and thinking he'll somehow be playing much. So that's also a factor as it's not like he's a PF who decided he didn't want to play with Jokic.

His reported oversea deal is 12 mil for 3 years, and he has 20 mil for 2 years left on his existing contract, why would he consider leaving the nba for less money and more years?

That's an after tax amount, it's net 12 million Euros, so about $13 million USD, and his NBA deal has a team option for 26-27, so only $10 million is guaranteed. So if you add other perks like closer to home, better role for him, longer guaranteed deal, etc, the logic is there.

Also, his new contract amount is a Net value, after taxes, and he also gets car/a place to leave/other perks on top of that salary, or basically for free.
So purely in $$$ terms he doesn't really lose (or doesn't lose a lot) even in AAV terms. And by all indicators thus decision was more about the family than it was about money or legacy. Good for him, kinda sucks for Nuggets. And good luck to all the smaller EL teams who are going to be affected by the salary inflation caused by those crazy owners.

[JDR720]

Evidently Denver are going to try to keep him in Denver.
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/281272/Nuggets-Will-Complete-Jonas-Valanciunas-Trade;-Determined-To-Keep-Valanciunas-In-Denver

[LuDux1]

In eastern Europe there's definitely more nuance to being a "fellow European"

Well we don't take kindly to being called "eastern European" over here in Central Europe