The ROTY/Rookie Discussion Thread, Part III

[HeartBreakKid]

Anyone think Milos Teodosic will end up getting some votes?

[HeartBreakKid]

Kyle Kuzma did not come out of nowhere...he is well known college ball player. There was constant barraging of asking why he was ranked so bad in mocks.

Of course the actual answer is mainly due to his age - great rookie year and obvious starting caliber so far, but can he become an all-star is more so the question.

[mtron929]

Can someone tell me why the posters on RealGM overrate Donovan Mitchell?

If you look at any of the betting sites, Simmons is a huge favorite to win the rookie of the year award. It is not even close between him and Mitchell (and has been this way the entire season). Yet, on the RealGM polls, Mitchell is ahead of Simmons. I realize you pick two, but it is still strange that the overwhelming favorite is 2nd in a poll. I suspect that there are too many contrarians on this board that really overrates when an "underdog" performs well. Thoughts?

[mediocrityrules]

Can someone tell me why the posters on RealGM overrate Donovan Mitchell?

If you look at any of the betting sites, Simmons is a huge favorite to win the rookie of the year award. It is not even close between him and Mitchell (and has been this way the entire season). Yet, on the RealGM polls, Mitchell is ahead of Simmons. I realize you pick two, but it is still strange that the overwhelming favorite is 2nd in a poll. I suspect that there are too many contrarians on this board that really overrates when an "underdog" performs well. Thoughts?

I think a lot of people have seen Mitchell on an upward trend while Simmons recently has flattened out. If the trends continut then for those that believe that the ROTY award is basically a PPGZZ award, Mitchell would be looking just as likely as Simmons.

But as today's game showed, Simmons overall impact on a game is just amazing.

[_Joker]

Can someone tell me why the posters on RealGM overrate Donovan Mitchell?

If you look at any of the betting sites, Simmons is a huge favorite to win the rookie of the year award. It is not even close between him and Mitchell (and has been this way the entire season). Yet, on the RealGM polls, Mitchell is ahead of Simmons. I realize you pick two, but it is still strange that the overwhelming favorite is 2nd in a poll. I suspect that there are too many contrarians on this board that really overrates when an "underdog" performs well. Thoughts?

It's all a bit much given Simmons is superior in every category bar shooting/ppg at this point in time. He's also younger, bigger and a better/more versatile defender.

[mtron929]

Can someone tell me why the posters on RealGM overrate Donovan Mitchell?

If you look at any of the betting sites, Simmons is a huge favorite to win the rookie of the year award. It is not even close between him and Mitchell (and has been this way the entire season). Yet, on the RealGM polls, Mitchell is ahead of Simmons. I realize you pick two, but it is still strange that the overwhelming favorite is 2nd in a poll. I suspect that there are too many contrarians on this board that really overrates when an "underdog" performs well. Thoughts?

I think a lot of people have seen Mitchell on an upward trend while Simmons recently has flattened out. If the trends continut then for those that believe that the ROTY award is basically a PPGZZ award, Mitchell would be looking just as likely as Simmons.

But as today's game showed, Simmons overall impact on a game is just amazing.

But they are wrong. Because betting sites dictate that Simmons is a huge favorite, and the poll specifically asks who will win? So I have nothing against Mitchell but he is heavily getting overrated in this particular context.

[mediocrityrules]

Can someone tell me why the posters on RealGM overrate Donovan Mitchell?

If you look at any of the betting sites, Simmons is a huge favorite to win the rookie of the year award. It is not even close between him and Mitchell (and has been this way the entire season). Yet, on the RealGM polls, Mitchell is ahead of Simmons. I realize you pick two, but it is still strange that the overwhelming favorite is 2nd in a poll. I suspect that there are too many contrarians on this board that really overrates when an "underdog" performs well. Thoughts?

I think a lot of people have seen Mitchell on an upward trend while Simmons recently has flattened out. If the trends continut then for those that believe that the ROTY award is basically a PPGZZ award, Mitchell would be looking just as likely as Simmons.

But as today's game showed, Simmons overall impact on a game is just amazing.

But they are wrong. Because betting sites dictate that Simmons is a huge favorite, and the poll specifically asks who will win? So I have nothing against Mitchell but he is heavily getting overrated in this particular context.

Personally i think Simmons is an absolute lock. You could argue that the contest is closer than it was a few months ago, but Simmons easily as far as i am concerned.

[SkyHookFTW]

Looks like Ben Simmons read this thread and got pissed a bit: Tonight, 19 pts, 17 boards, 14 assists.

[leaguegod692]

Can someone tell me why the posters on RealGM overrate Donovan Mitchell?

If you look at any of the betting sites, Simmons is a huge favorite to win the rookie of the year award. It is not even close between him and Mitchell (and has been this way the entire season). Yet, on the RealGM polls, Mitchell is ahead of Simmons. I realize you pick two, but it is still strange that the overwhelming favorite is 2nd in a poll. I suspect that there are too many contrarians on this board that really overrates when an "underdog" performs well. Thoughts?

I think a lot of people have seen Mitchell on an upward trend while Simmons recently has flattened out. If the trends continut then for those that believe that the ROTY award is basically a PPGZZ award, Mitchell would be looking just as likely as Simmons.

But as today's game showed, Simmons overall impact on a game is just amazing.

But they are wrong. Because betting sites dictate that Simmons is a huge favorite, and the poll specifically asks who will win? So I have nothing against Mitchell but he is heavily getting overrated in this particular context.

eh, on an internet forum,polls are often wrong, sometimes ridiculously


this one is mainly wrong because of the 2 options, because its likely most people voting legitimately are going simmons/mitchell (maybe tatum ) so it doesn't take to many people not really doing it seriously to sway it to mitchell

but yes you are right, baring injury, simmons is quite clearly winning ROY

[Black Mage]

Can someone tell me why the posters on RealGM overrate Donovan Mitchell?

If you look at any of the betting sites, Simmons is a huge favorite to win the rookie of the year award. It is not even close between him and Mitchell (and has been this way the entire season). Yet, on the RealGM polls, Mitchell is ahead of Simmons. I realize you pick two, but it is still strange that the overwhelming favorite is 2nd in a poll. I suspect that there are too many contrarians on this board that really overrates when an "underdog" performs well. Thoughts?

Mitchell is the shiny new toy. People always flock to what's new before returning to theirntried and true.

It should be telling that Simmons was in the debate for the All-star game but Mitchell wasn't.

[LordCovington33]

Can someone tell me why the posters on RealGM overrate Donovan Mitchell?

If you look at any of the betting sites, Simmons is a huge favorite to win the rookie of the year award. It is not even close between him and Mitchell (and has been this way the entire season). Yet, on the RealGM polls, Mitchell is ahead of Simmons. I realize you pick two, but it is still strange that the overwhelming favorite is 2nd in a poll. I suspect that there are too many contrarians on this board that really overrates when an "underdog" performs well. Thoughts?

Being able to pick two is quite weird, tbh. Simmons is clearly the favorite this year, but if Mitchell keeps developing and Simmons stagnates, who knows.

[PLO]

A number of people don't consider Simmons a rookie and Mitchell has been beastly. He'd win ROTY in most other seasons.

[mtron929]

I think a lot of people have seen Mitchell on an upward trend while Simmons recently has flattened out. If the trends continut then for those that believe that the ROTY award is basically a PPGZZ award, Mitchell would be looking just as likely as Simmons.

But as today's game showed, Simmons overall impact on a game is just amazing.

But they are wrong. Because betting sites dictate that Simmons is a huge favorite, and the poll specifically asks who will win? So I have nothing against Mitchell but he is heavily getting overrated in this particular context.

eh, on an internet forum,polls are often wrong, sometimes ridiculously


this one is mainly wrong because of the 2 options, because its likely most people voting legitimately are going simmons/mitchell (maybe tatum ) so it doesn't take to many people not really doing it seriously to sway it to mitchell

but yes you are right, baring injury, simmons is quite clearly winning ROY

If I remember correctly, the reason they decided to do 2 options was to make it interesting since it was so clear to everyone that Simmons was going to win the award. I still think that there is more of a gap between Simmons and Mitchell versus Mitchell and the next candidate (e.g. Tatum, Kuzma) but it seems like people on here locked onto Mitchell. Again, that doesn't mean he is a bad player or a bad guy, but he is like the Jimmy Butler of the MVP race this season.

[Tanks1]

Can someone tell me why the posters on RealGM overrate Donovan Mitchell?

If you look at any of the betting sites, Simmons is a huge favorite to win the rookie of the year award. It is not even close between him and Mitchell (and has been this way the entire season). Yet, on the RealGM polls, Mitchell is ahead of Simmons. I realize you pick two, but it is still strange that the overwhelming favorite is 2nd in a poll. I suspect that there are too many contrarians on this board that really overrates when an "underdog" performs well. Thoughts?

Being able to pick two is quite weird, tbh. Simmons is clearly the favorite this year, but if Mitchell keeps developing and Simmons stagnates, who knows.

Stagnates......triple double tonight....

[LordCovington33]

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[Cappy_Smurf]

Can someone tell me why the posters on RealGM overrate Donovan Mitchell?

If you look at any of the betting sites, Simmons is a huge favorite to win the rookie of the year award. It is not even close between him and Mitchell (and has been this way the entire season). Yet, on the RealGM polls, Mitchell is ahead of Simmons. I realize you pick two, but it is still strange that the overwhelming favorite is 2nd in a poll. I suspect that there are too many contrarians on this board that really overrates when an "underdog" performs well. Thoughts?

Pretty simple really. Betting sites go purely by the numbers. The posters on this site have actually watched Mitchell play. Both players have star potential, so I don't know why anyone has a huge problem with basketball fans liking both players.

And like someone else said, Mitchell was playing really well at a time when Simmons kind of leveled off. Chances are that could go the other way at some point. But yeah, if you're really that confused about why fans in a basketball forum rate these guys equally right now, you should spend some time watching them both play. One or two games doesn't do it, as either could have a good/bad game.

It should be telling that Simmons was in the debate for the All-star game but Mitchell wasn't.

The west is stacked compared to the east. Not telling at all.

[mtron929]

Can someone tell me why the posters on RealGM overrate Donovan Mitchell?

If you look at any of the betting sites, Simmons is a huge favorite to win the rookie of the year award. It is not even close between him and Mitchell (and has been this way the entire season). Yet, on the RealGM polls, Mitchell is ahead of Simmons. I realize you pick two, but it is still strange that the overwhelming favorite is 2nd in a poll. I suspect that there are too many contrarians on this board that really overrates when an "underdog" performs well. Thoughts?

Pretty simple really. Betting sites go purely by the numbers. The posters on this site have actually watched Mitchell play. Both players have star potential, so I don't know why anyone has a huge problem with basketball fans liking both players.

And like someone else said, Mitchell was playing really well at a time when Simmons kind of leveled off. Chances are that could go the other way at some point. But yeah, if you're really that confused about why fans in a basketball forum rate these guys equally right now, you should spend some time watching them both play. One or two games doesn't do it, as either could have a good/bad game.

It should be telling that Simmons was in the debate for the All-star game but Mitchell wasn't.

The west is stacked compared to the east. Not telling at all.

Except, the question is "who wins". Also, it seems like you are implying that Mitchell is underrated if we just look at the numbers whereas Simmons is overrated. Why is this the case?

[Ugly0598]

If Kuzma keeps coming up with clutch 4th quarters like last night he really needs to be in the conversation more

[sfernald]

Who is this Wallace rookie on the Clippers? Looks like a real NBA player actually...

[sfernald]

It's crazy how good this year's draft class is, but what's really crazy is I have a feeling Fultz when he finally gets back is going to show as the best of the group, that's better than Tatum, Mitchell and the others.