2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread (III)

TheBonzaiEffect · Post #421 » by **TheBonzaiEffect** » Sun Feb 10, 2019 10:29 pm

Oscar9992 wrote:Damn, Luka looks terrible lately shooting nothing but bricks... He is playing worse after trades...

Oops. Might wanna re-check the box score now...

TheBonzaiEffect · Post #422 » by **TheBonzaiEffect** » Sun Feb 10, 2019 10:31 pm

13 points in the last 8 minutes for Luka, including the go-ahead bucket. So clutch.

WalterBenjamin · Post #423 » by **WalterBenjamin** » Sun Feb 10, 2019 10:32 pm

I am more and more confident in being able to see a championship level team being built around Young. His ability to easily penetrate makes his offensive cealing higher than Doncic's.

Johnny Firpo · Post #424 » by **Johnny Firpo** » Sun Feb 10, 2019 10:32 pm

Luka does not look terrible, you guys just have way too unrealistic expectations, partly because how amazing he is. I also expect every shot from him to go in, but it doesn't work like that.

Great game overall.

Bob8 · Post #425 » by **Bob8** » Sun Feb 10, 2019 10:37 pm

Oscar9992 wrote:Damn, Luka looks terrible lately shooting nothing but bricks... He is playing worse after trades...

Luka after trades, 35, 19 triple double, 20, 28. Dallas 3/1.

Johnny Firpo · Post #426 » by **Johnny Firpo** » Sun Feb 10, 2019 10:39 pm

WalterBenjamin wrote:I am more and more confident in being able to see a championship level team being built around Young. His ability to easily penetrate makes his offensive cealing higher than Doncic's.

Doncic is a better finisher and foul drawer though, an with how amazing he is at the pick&roll, he, just as Young, can get to anywhere he wants, they just do it in a different way. Both Young and Luka actually remind me of Nash, which is funny considering how different physically they are, but in the way they probe the paint they are very Nash an Paul-like. Anyway, I don't see a disadvantage here for Doncic, and the numbers seem to support that.

LukaMagic · Post #427 » by **LukaMagic** » Sun Feb 10, 2019 10:39 pm

Johnny Firpo wrote:Luka does not look terrible, you guys just have way too unrealistic expectations, partly because how amazing he is. I also expect every shot from him to go in, but it doesn't work like that. Great game overall.

It's not just shooting though. His movements aren't fluid, looks like he is second guessing on a lot of his moves. I don't know, but just watching him, it looks like something is not ok.

Johnny Firpo · Post #428 » by **Johnny Firpo** » Sun Feb 10, 2019 10:43 pm

LukaMagic wrote:
Johnny Firpo wrote:Luka does not look terrible, you guys just have way too unrealistic expectations, partly because how amazing he is. I also expect every shot from him to go in, but it doesn't work like that. Great game overall.

It's not just shooting though. His movements aren't fluid, looks like he is second guessing on a lot of his moves. I don't know, but just watching him, it looks like something is not ok.

He is playing with some smaller injuries, a tigh contusion can hurt a lot.

BoardCrusher · Post #429 » by **BoardCrusher** » Sun Feb 10, 2019 10:50 pm

Yeah it looked like hes gonna have a poor shooting night % wise, but he ends up with with 45% FG and 40% 3P. although the last 3P attempt and the long runner floater were really a bit too much

Petergrifindor · Post #430 » by **Petergrifindor** » Sun Feb 10, 2019 10:53 pm

Watch on YouTube

The play at 1:08 was my favorite of today, although he made way more difficult shots in the 4th quarter.

Bob8 · Post #431 » by **Bob8** » Sun Feb 10, 2019 10:57 pm

WalterBenjamin wrote:I am more and more confident in being able to see a championship level team being built around Young. His ability to easily penetrate makes his offensive cealing higher than Doncic's.

Not with his defense, he’s unplayable in a serious team.

TheProfessor · Post #432 » by **TheProfessor** » Sun Feb 10, 2019 11:44 pm

Bob8 wrote:
WalterBenjamin wrote:I am more and more confident in being able to see a championship level team being built around Young. His ability to easily penetrate makes his offensive cealing higher than Doncic's.

Not with his defense, he’s unplayable in a serious team.

No one seems to understand how bad of a defender Trae is, he has to literally has to be an elite shooter to rate out as a net neutral player.

King Ken · Post #433 » by **King Ken** » Mon Feb 11, 2019 12:26 am

TheProfessor wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
WalterBenjamin wrote:I am more and more confident in being able to see a championship level team being built around Young. His ability to easily penetrate makes his offensive cealing higher than Doncic's.

Not with his defense, he’s unplayable in a serious team.

No one seems to understand how bad of a defender Trae is, he has to literally has to be an elite shooter to rate out as a net neutral player.

Trae defense isn't that bad. A lot of his issues can be fixed and has tremendously improved since the first of the year.

Now Collins is a difference story. It's hard to hide Collins, and Trae has good lateral quickness. His issue is off the ball D, fighting off screens, defensive experience, etc.

I feel like this Trae hate comes from Luka stans. It's not needed

King Ken · Post #434 » by **King Ken** » Mon Feb 11, 2019 12:31 am

Johnny Firpo wrote:
WalterBenjamin wrote:I am more and more confident in being able to see a championship level team being built around Young. His ability to easily penetrate makes his offensive cealing higher than Doncic's.

Doncic is a better finisher and foul drawer though, an with how amazing he is at the pick&roll, he, just as Young, can get to anywhere he wants, they just do it in a different way. Both Young and Luka actually remind me of Nash, which is funny considering how different physically they are, but in the way they probe the paint they are very Nash an Paul-like. Anyway, I don't see a disadvantage here for Doncic, and the numbers seem to support that.

Luka floor game and ability to get to anywhere on the court doesnt look as good as Trae. Luka does look more skilled and he has a much better frame. Trae first step and quickness is tremendous. Luka looks slow but his footwork, strength and ball handling for his size is how he frees himself open.

I don't see Nash when I see Luka. I see a slow Magic Johnson who uses skills to free himself open on the perimeter. Also, Luka has a post up game, Trae doesn't have one at all. Luka due to his size has some distinct advantages over Trae.

Buzzard · Post #435 » by **Buzzard** » Mon Feb 11, 2019 12:53 am

King Ken wrote:
TheProfessor wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
Not with his defense, he’s unplayable in a serious team.

No one seems to understand how bad of a defender Trae is, he has to literally has to be an elite shooter to rate out as a net neutral player.

Trae defense isn't that bad. A lot of his issues can be fixed and has tremendously improved since the first of the year.

Now Collins is a difference story. It's hard to hide Collins, and Trae has good lateral quickness. His issue is off the ball D, fighting off screens, defensive experience, etc.

I feel like this shot.Trae hate comes from Luka stans. It's not needed

Trae is good on the ball; but not great, He is learning how to defend one side of a defender; making him go towards the help now. You are right about fighting through screens; it is tough for him. He has improved his defense over the season and does not get lost when transitioning back to D after a Hawks made or missed shot. 1st of the season, the transition back to defense was frustrating to watch. Not anymore.

Our overall defense is still a sieve; but that is on more than just Trae these days.

dautjazz · Post #436 » by **dautjazz** » Mon Feb 11, 2019 12:56 am

Ayton averaging 16.5ppg and 10.6rpg as a rookie, and barely getting noticed. Is Doncic stealing his spotlight or just that Ayton aint that good?

Johnny Firpo · Post #437 » by **Johnny Firpo** » Mon Feb 11, 2019 1:10 am

dautjazz wrote:Ayton averaging 16.5ppg and 10.6rpg as a rookie, and barely getting noticed. Is Doncic stealing his spotlight or just that Ayton aint that good?

He is good, just not mentally quite there yet to dominate. Also, Luka is a perimeter player and a skilled one at that, so he is naturally going to be more popular. Perimeter players are just more popular.

Post #438 » by **VCfor3** » Mon Feb 11, 2019 1:11 am

dautjazz wrote:Ayton averaging 16.5ppg and 10.6rpg as a rookie, and barely getting noticed. Is Doncic stealing his spotlight or just that Ayton aint that good?

Ayton is very good. Luka just is exceptional. Honestly a lot of rookies are very good which is awesome. Loving this rookie class.

TheProfessor · Post #439 » by **TheProfessor** » Mon Feb 11, 2019 1:14 am

King Ken wrote:
TheProfessor wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
Not with his defense, he’s unplayable in a serious team.

No one seems to understand how bad of a defender Trae is, he has to literally has to be an elite shooter to rate out as a net neutral player.

Trae defense isn't that bad. A lot of his issues can be fixed and has tremendously improved since the first of the year.

Now Collins is a difference story. It's hard to hide Collins, and Trae has good lateral quickness. His issue is off the ball D, fighting off screens, defensive experience, etc.

I feel like this Trae hate comes from Luka stans. It's not needed

Hating on Trae would be saying "he's too small and weak to amount to anything of value in the nba." Saying he is a very bad defender which statistically in terms of impact stats is true, isn't really hating. As a raptors fan, having experienced DD for years on years all I am saying is be weary of 1 way players. They never seem to lead you to much.

Post #440 » by **codydaze** » Mon Feb 11, 2019 1:14 am

Bagley with 30 points, 7 minutes left in the fourth.