Better player next season: Simmons or Doncic?

[reflex35]

Dallas sucks

8-10 seed in East at best

Yeah they might have sucked but here is how it went in 2019

East playoffs seeds 2019

6. Brooklyn
7. Orlando
8. Detroit

Results of 2019 matches

MAVS VS ORLANDO 1-1
MAVS VS BROOKLYN 1-1
MAVS VS Detroit 1-1

So these are your super-teams which had 6-8 seeding in the East last year. Mavs record agains them was .50
Now they added KP.
And you still think they are 8-10 seed in the east..
You need to bring some clarity to your thinking...

Nobody takes them seriously

KP?????

Guy is a clown

Well I can't argue with you about your personal opinion about the guy, can I ?
You say he is a clown and I can only respect your freedom to express your thoughts and thinking...

With all that in mind, that "clown" as you call him is a 7.3 guy, who is a sharpshooter, has a 38inc vertical, moves like a guard and has a coordination and speed of the elite NBA guard, is really a good defender and can be a prolific scorer and I can add and add and add... But that does not matter to you. I can even accept that he is injury prone and might never reach his potential, but that's about it.

The "clown" has a bigger upside than Ben has and one day can become a top 5 player in NBA if not be in the conversation of the MVP.
Let's leave his personal and out of court things to him. We are talking basketball here.

[Sulico]

Just lol

Sixers won 38 games in 2 seasons before Simmons took the court

Next 2 years, they made the 2nd round

He has the 3rd best all around stats in the history of the NBA through 2 years and yet he gets criticised for not winning the whole thing

Meanwhile, Dallas tanked last year and are unlikely to make the playoffs the playoffs this year so will tank again

There’s no comparison and especially when you see them playing against each other

So Simmons is the only reason why they went from 38 to 2nd round exists?
Just look at what happened during those 2 years and what kind of players they added and had in those 2 years... Look that Embid started playing better and more, etc...

Don't even compare last year's Dallas team to Sixers teams for the last 2 years..

Now think about it and swap Doncic with Simmons last year.
With Doncic Sixers are beating Toronto. With Simmons Dalas are even worse record wise.

I love Ben and he is extremely good but you are putting him on some-kind of pedestal.

Dream on

Who can Luka defend on the Raptors?

Answer: literally nobody

You are putting him on a pedestal in spite of him being a tank commander in Dallas

He’s a very good youngster but that’s it

Here’s a fact

Vegas odds have Dallas missing the playoffs

Luka & KP aren’t that good

Thing is, defense is not equal to offense, or James Harden would be as valuable as Bruce Bowen in his hayday.

Really great offensive player, like Doncic have potential to be, would always be more valuable than limited offensive player but good defender.

[Tomjas]

Yeah they might have sucked but here is how it went in 2019

East playoffs seeds 2019

6. Brooklyn
7. Orlando
8. Detroit

Results of 2019 matches

MAVS VS ORLANDO 1-1
MAVS VS BROOKLYN 1-1
MAVS VS Detroit 1-1

So these are your super-teams which had 6-8 seeding in the East last year. Mavs record agains them was .50
Now they added KP.
And you still think they are 8-10 seed in the east..
You need to bring some clarity to your thinking...

Nobody takes them seriously

KP?????

Guy is a clown

Well I can't argue with you about your personal opinion about the guy, can I ?
You say he is a clown and I can only respect your freedom to express your thoughts and thinking...

With all that in mind, that "clown" as you call him is a 7.3 guy, who is a sharpshooter, has a 38inc vertical, moves like a guard and has a coordination and speed of the elite NBA guard, is really a good defender and can be a prolific scorer and I can add and add and add... But that does not matter to you. I can even accept that he is injury prone and might never reach his potential, but that's about it.

The "clown" has a bigger upside than Ben has and one day can become a top 5 player in NBA if not be in the conversation of the MVP.
Let's leave his personal and out of court things to him. We are talking basketball here.

Oh please

Embiid >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> KP

Simmons >>>>>>> Doncic

Dallas roster blows

[foreigngrammar]

Nobody takes them seriously

KP?????

Guy is a clown

Well I can't argue with you about your personal opinion about the guy, can I ?
You say he is a clown and I can only respect your freedom to express your thoughts and thinking...

With all that in mind, that "clown" as you call him is a 7.3 guy, who is a sharpshooter, has a 38inc vertical, moves like a guard and has a coordination and speed of the elite NBA guard, is really a good defender and can be a prolific scorer and I can add and add and add... But that does not matter to you. I can even accept that he is injury prone and might never reach his potential, but that's about it.

The "clown" has a bigger upside than Ben has and one day can become a top 5 player in NBA if not be in the conversation of the MVP.
Let's leave his personal and out of court things to him. We are talking basketball here.

Oh please

Embiid >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> KP

Simmons >>>>>>> Doncic

Dallas roster blows

People should just ignore your posts... starting now

[reflex35]

Nobody takes them seriously

KP?????

Guy is a clown

Well I can't argue with you about your personal opinion about the guy, can I ?
You say he is a clown and I can only respect your freedom to express your thoughts and thinking...

With all that in mind, that "clown" as you call him is a 7.3 guy, who is a sharpshooter, has a 38inc vertical, moves like a guard and has a coordination and speed of the elite NBA guard, is really a good defender and can be a prolific scorer and I can add and add and add... But that does not matter to you. I can even accept that he is injury prone and might never reach his potential, but that's about it.

The "clown" has a bigger upside than Ben has and one day can become a top 5 player in NBA if not be in the conversation of the MVP.
Let's leave his personal and out of court things to him. We are talking basketball here.

Oh please

Embiid >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> KP

Simmons >>>>>>> Doncic

Dallas roster blows

But I am not arguing that with you, am I?

Embiid is better than KP. Though they have the same problems and I can see KP being as good as Embiid one day. They are not that far apart and are more similar than you think.

As for Ben VS Luka. Sorry but Luka right now is a better player.

Sixers team is better than Dallas. No doubt about it.

As for duo - KP and Doncic are a better fit than Embiid and Simmons.
Simmons and Embiid duo does not work.
They can even swap tall guys or Luka and Ben and that will be better for both teams... Especially for Philly.

Until Ben gets a shot his duo with Embiid is worthless. Look at what's happening - Embiid is taking long 2's and 3's as BEN can't do nothing. And BEN cannot go inside as Embiid takes all the spaces. It just does not work. I expect LUKA and KP to work much better.

[wolfram]

Doncic. He can do anything Simmons can do + shoot. Its a bit of a cliche, but he has a star mentality too. Im not sure Simmons does.

Simmons is better than Doncic at everything other than shooting beyond the keyway. Simmons has DPOY potential on the defensive end and is already elite, Doncic in comparison in a polite way does not have that potential and is a limited defensive player

This is nonsense. Luka's scoring is overall much better. His ability to shoot and his vision makes him better floor general, real point guard in playoff games, can read defenses, not a fake PG in a dunker's spot. Ben relies on athleticism and is less skilled overall, which makes him a liability in playoff games and in crunch time. Ben is the better defender and rebounder.

[Tomjas]

Well I can't argue with you about your personal opinion about the guy, can I ?
You say he is a clown and I can only respect your freedom to express your thoughts and thinking...

With all that in mind, that "clown" as you call him is a 7.3 guy, who is a sharpshooter, has a 38inc vertical, moves like a guard and has a coordination and speed of the elite NBA guard, is really a good defender and can be a prolific scorer and I can add and add and add... But that does not matter to you. I can even accept that he is injury prone and might never reach his potential, but that's about it.

The "clown" has a bigger upside than Ben has and one day can become a top 5 player in NBA if not be in the conversation of the MVP.
Let's leave his personal and out of court things to him. We are talking basketball here.

Oh please

Embiid >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> KP

Simmons >>>>>>> Doncic

Dallas roster blows

People should just ignore your posts... starting now

Keep tanking

[Tomjas]

Well I can't argue with you about your personal opinion about the guy, can I ?
You say he is a clown and I can only respect your freedom to express your thoughts and thinking...

With all that in mind, that "clown" as you call him is a 7.3 guy, who is a sharpshooter, has a 38inc vertical, moves like a guard and has a coordination and speed of the elite NBA guard, is really a good defender and can be a prolific scorer and I can add and add and add... But that does not matter to you. I can even accept that he is injury prone and might never reach his potential, but that's about it.

The "clown" has a bigger upside than Ben has and one day can become a top 5 player in NBA if not be in the conversation of the MVP.
Let's leave his personal and out of court things to him. We are talking basketball here.

Oh please

Embiid >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> KP

Simmons >>>>>>> Doncic

Dallas roster blows

But I am not arguing that with you, am I?

Embiid is better than KP. Though they have the same problems and I can see KP being as good as Embiid one day. They are not that far apart and are more similar than you think.

As for Ben VS Luka. Sorry but Luka right now is a better player.

Sixers team is better than Dallas. No doubt about it.

As for duo - KP and Doncic are a better fit than Embiid and Simmons.
Simmons and Embiid duo does not work.
They can even swap tall guys or Luka and Ben and that will be better for both teams... Especially for Philly.

Until Ben gets a shot his duo with Embiid is worthless. Look at what's happening - Embiid is taking long 2's and 3's as BEN can't do nothing. And BEN cannot go inside as Embiid takes all the spaces. It just does not work. I expect LUKA and KP to work much better.

Just lol

Simmons completely torched Luka last year

It was embarrassing

As for KP vs Embiid

Bwuhahaha

Why did the Knicks dump that clown?

[reflex35]

Oh please

Embiid >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> KP

Simmons >>>>>>> Doncic

Dallas roster blows

But I am not arguing that with you, am I?

Embiid is better than KP. Though they have the same problems and I can see KP being as good as Embiid one day. They are not that far apart and are more similar than you think.

As for Ben VS Luka. Sorry but Luka right now is a better player.

Sixers team is better than Dallas. No doubt about it.

As for duo - KP and Doncic are a better fit than Embiid and Simmons.
Simmons and Embiid duo does not work.
They can even swap tall guys or Luka and Ben and that will be better for both teams... Especially for Philly.

Until Ben gets a shot his duo with Embiid is worthless. Look at what's happening - Embiid is taking long 2's and 3's as BEN can't do nothing. And BEN cannot go inside as Embiid takes all the spaces. It just does not work. I expect LUKA and KP to work much better.

Just lol

Simmons completely torched Luka last year

It was embarrassing

As for KP vs Embiid

Bwuhahaha

Why did the Knicks dump that clown?

That's fine man. I see you do not want to engage in serious discussion and instead of that you just make statements and sentences of 2-3 words. Not sure if you are trolling or don't have time or if that's your style of the conversation but I will leave it with you to think that you're correct.

The Knicks did not dump that "clown"... "The clown" told to the "great Knicks organisation" that maybe - just maybe - he will be better off without them...

[Tomjas]

But I am not arguing that with you, am I?

Embiid is better than KP. Though they have the same problems and I can see KP being as good as Embiid one day. They are not that far apart and are more similar than you think.

As for Ben VS Luka. Sorry but Luka right now is a better player.

Sixers team is better than Dallas. No doubt about it.

As for duo - KP and Doncic are a better fit than Embiid and Simmons.
Simmons and Embiid duo does not work.
They can even swap tall guys or Luka and Ben and that will be better for both teams... Especially for Philly.

Until Ben gets a shot his duo with Embiid is worthless. Look at what's happening - Embiid is taking long 2's and 3's as BEN can't do nothing. And BEN cannot go inside as Embiid takes all the spaces. It just does not work. I expect LUKA and KP to work much better.

Just lol

Simmons completely torched Luka last year

It was embarrassing

As for KP vs Embiid

Bwuhahaha

Why did the Knicks dump that clown?

That's fine man. I see you do not want to engage in serious discussion and instead of that you just make statements and sentences of 2-3 words. Not sure if you are trolling or don't have time or if that's your style of the conversation but I will leave it with you to think that you're correct.

The Knicks did not dump that "clown"... "The clown" told to the "great Knicks organisation" that maybe - just maybe - he will be better off without them...

Just lol

If Embiid & Simmons had failed to make the playoffs sight unseen in year 1, it would have been regarded as a monumental failure

Barkley was hammering them in October of their first year together

Now people expect them to win whole thing

Nobody expects KP & Doncic to make it to playoffs next year

Embiid & Simmons are LEVELS above

[Buzzard]

This thread just won't die and I don't know why ( poetic ). Neither player is all world anything. They are not even in the same hemisphere yet from all appearances of the replies, one might think this is a Magic Johnson vs Larry Bird debate.

What we have here is:
A ROY vs ROY
A one time All-Star vs a non All Star
A 2 Vote getter for All Defensive Team vs a Non Vote getter for All Defensive Team

After they win their 3rd MVP and 3rd NBA title, we will have a debate that is worthy.

[foreigngrammar]

Just lol

Simmons completely torched Luka last year

It was embarrassing

As for KP vs Embiid

Bwuhahaha

Why did the Knicks dump that clown?

That's fine man. I see you do not want to engage in serious discussion and instead of that you just make statements and sentences of 2-3 words. Not sure if you are trolling or don't have time or if that's your style of the conversation but I will leave it with you to think that you're correct.

The Knicks did not dump that "clown"... "The clown" told to the "great Knicks organisation" that maybe - just maybe - he will be better off without them...

Just lol

If Embiid & Simmons had failed to make the playoffs sight unseen in year 1, it would have been regarded as a monumental failure

Barkley was hammering them in October of their first year together

Now people expect them to win whole thing

Nobody expects KP & Doncic to make it to playoffs next year

Embiid & Simmons are LEVELS above

You know who's a clown?

[GrandTheftRondo]

If it was the Simmons of a year ago I would have said him easily. Instead he hardly added a thing to a game which was hugely disappointing as a fan of his potential. After his rookie season he was looking like a modern day Magic to me. Year two he comes back with zero improvement as a jumpshooter, still completely refusing to shoot them.

Sixers fans can talk all they like about how he’s supposedly worked all summer on it. But until I see him confidently shooting jumpers in games I won’t believe that he’s going to become anywhere near a respectable shooter. Every respectable shooter has shot jumpers for years, even if they weren’t efficient early on. Simmons since basically college onwards has completely ignored a fundamental part of the game.

Simmons has the advantage on Doncic defensively but what I saw from Doncic last year may well have been the most impressive rookie since LeBron. A young guy who could shoot and create for others, was clutch and showed a ridiculously high basketball IQ for his age. Right now I’m taking this future all around offensive star over whatever you can describe Simmons unique game as.

[GrandTheftRondo]

Doncic doesn't have anything he can really improve dramatically.
He's a well-rounded player (at least offensively), but he's physically limited

Doncic doesn’t need to improve anything dramatically. He just needs to improve his conditioning, where he has a lot of room for improvement and to become 40% 3 points shooter. How will you stop 6’8’’, 230, Pg, pick&roll master and elite shooter?
What is more realistic? Simmons to become 30+% 3 points shooter or Luka to become 40% 3 points shooter? And don’t forget, Luka is 3 years younger

Players in NBA normally improve every year in everything, and that are small improvements, which make them much better in long run. And that’s the path Luka will go. Simmons on the other hand must improve dramatically in shooting and that’s not something that happens normally. He’s playing basketball for 15 years and he cannot shoot at all, and you believe 1 offseason will do it? You know which players have the biggest room for improvement? The worst ones. And how many times bench warmer improves dramatically andbecomes a starter in offseason? Players are very bad in some areas of playing for the reason and we almost never see big improvements over night.

Ben Simmons has a lot of shooting that he can improve, and that is why I used the word "dramatically".
Doncic can't improve dramatically, while Ben Simmons can.
Ben Simmons has a far higher ceiling for that reason

As many have said before, Ben Simmons is LeBron if he gets a jump shot.
Whereas there is no path for Doncic to become LeBron....

What absolute BS. Ben Simmons isn’t and never will be LeBron James.

The improvement needed in Simmons’ jumper for him to be LeBron is enormous. And that’s also ignoring that LeBron is a superhuman athlete. Simmons moves really well for his size but he ain’t LeBron athletically.

[Ben Simmons]

Doncic doesn’t need to improve anything dramatically. He just needs to improve his conditioning, where he has a lot of room for improvement and to become 40% 3 points shooter. How will you stop 6’8’’, 230, Pg, pick&roll master and elite shooter?
What is more realistic? Simmons to become 30+% 3 points shooter or Luka to become 40% 3 points shooter? And don’t forget, Luka is 3 years younger

Players in NBA normally improve every year in everything, and that are small improvements, which make them much better in long run. And that’s the path Luka will go. Simmons on the other hand must improve dramatically in shooting and that’s not something that happens normally. He’s playing basketball for 15 years and he cannot shoot at all, and you believe 1 offseason will do it? You know which players have the biggest room for improvement? The worst ones. And how many times bench warmer improves dramatically andbecomes a starter in offseason? Players are very bad in some areas of playing for the reason and we almost never see big improvements over night.

Ben Simmons has a lot of shooting that he can improve, and that is why I used the word "dramatically".
Doncic can't improve dramatically, while Ben Simmons can.
Ben Simmons has a far higher ceiling for that reason

As many have said before, Ben Simmons is LeBron if he gets a jump shot.
Whereas there is no path for Doncic to become LeBron....

What absolute BS. Ben Simmons isn’t and never will be LeBron James.

The improvement needed in Simmons’ jumper for him to be LeBron is enormous. And that’s also ignoring that LeBron is a superhuman athlete. Simmons moves really well for his size but he ain’t LeBron athletically.

Ben Simmons is a much smoother mover than LeBron.
Ben Simmons glides like Ali, like a ballerina.
LeBron is a rigid mover (but only) when compared to Ben Simmons
And Ben Simmons is ranked 6th in "Points in Paint" (while LeBron is ranked 5th!), despite the defenders waiting for him in the paint....
Ben Simmons would average over 30ppg if he ever had a mid-range jump shot, because the defense would have to guard him tightly and he'd waltz right by them....because he's a better athlete than LeBron.

[GrandTheftRondo]

Ben Simmons has a lot of shooting that he can improve, and that is why I used the word "dramatically".
Doncic can't improve dramatically, while Ben Simmons can.
Ben Simmons has a far higher ceiling for that reason

As many have said before, Ben Simmons is LeBron if he gets a jump shot.
Whereas there is no path for Doncic to become LeBron....

What absolute BS. Ben Simmons isn’t and never will be LeBron James.

The improvement needed in Simmons’ jumper for him to be LeBron is enormous. And that’s also ignoring that LeBron is a superhuman athlete. Simmons moves really well for his size but he ain’t LeBron athletically.

Ben Simmons is a much smoother mover than LeBron.
Ben Simmons glides like Ali, like a ballerina.
LeBron is a rigid mover (but only) when compared to Ben Simmons
And Ben Simmons is ranked 6th in "Points in Paint", despite the defenders waiting for him in the paint....
Ben Simmons would average over 30ppg if he ever had a mid-range jump shot, because the defense would have to guard him tightly and he'd waltz right by them....because he's a better athlete than LeBron.

LeBron has been on another planet athletically to any player since MJ.

Thinking Simmons is better than him may be one of the more laughable things I’ve ever read on the internet.

[Ben Simmons]

Ben Simmons doesn't even have a jump shot and he already scores in the paint like LeBron

[SF_Warriors]

Be careful. Anyone who makes false inferences is known to be a poo poo head.

How many 19 year old perimeter players come in to the league, lead the team in scoring, and at that type of efficiency..it just does not happen often..so it bodes well.

You amuse me.

You say things that are kinda on topic but also irrelevant, but do it with such vigour. Well done. At what point did I talk negatively about Doncic?

Anyone who can't read context knows nothing about basketball, period.

You were comparing a 19 year old's rookie season efficiency to a guy who has an additional year of experience and is over 2.5 years older in age.

That is a terrible take. Its common knowledge that guys in their rookie year will usually have career lows in shooting efficiency, especially coming in as a teen. 54.5% for a rook to lead his team in offense woth essentially zero help..something ben has not done, is not bad at all, yet you act like it is a valid comparison

So yea, take into context this very simple concept and maybe that will help with your analysis next time.

And I was not the one who called someones post "dumbass" and then telling someone else about being polite.

[OzThunder]

How many 19 year old perimeter players come in to the league, lead the team in scoring, and at that type of efficiency..it just does not happen often..so it bodes well.

You amuse me.

You say things that are kinda on topic but also irrelevant, but do it with such vigour. Well done. At what point did I talk negatively about Doncic?

Anyone who can't read context knows nothing about basketball, period.

You were comparing a 19 year old's rookie season efficiency to a guy who has an additional year of experience and is over 2.5 years older in age.

That is a terrible take. Its common knowledge that guys in their rookie year will usually have career lows in shooting efficiency, especially coming in as a teen. 54.5% for a rook to lead his team in offense woth essentially zero help..something ben has not done, is not bad at all, yet you act like it is a valid comparison

So yea, take into context this very simple concept and maybe that will help with your analysis next time.

And I was not the one who called someones post "dumbass" and then telling someone else about being polite.

Honestly don't know what you're getting at. I didn't call anything "dumbass" or talk about politeness. Are you a politician?

I also didn't bring in Doncic's rookie season stats as a negative comparison. It was regarding everyone disregarding Simmons' offense (because no jumpshot), whilst he is a top tier offensive player in the league and elite in some areas. You are ignoring this point and putting words in my mouth to discredit me rather than my argument.

That is all.

[foreigngrammar]

You amuse me.

You say things that are kinda on topic but also irrelevant, but do it with such vigour. Well done. At what point did I talk negatively about Doncic?

Anyone who can't read context knows nothing about basketball, period.

You were comparing a 19 year old's rookie season efficiency to a guy who has an additional year of experience and is over 2.5 years older in age.

That is a terrible take. Its common knowledge that guys in their rookie year will usually have career lows in shooting efficiency, especially coming in as a teen. 54.5% for a rook to lead his team in offense woth essentially zero help..something ben has not done, is not bad at all, yet you act like it is a valid comparison

So yea, take into context this very simple concept and maybe that will help with your analysis next time.

And I was not the one who called someones post "dumbass" and then telling someone else about being polite.

Honestly don't know what you're getting at. I didn't call anything "dumbass" or talk about politeness. Are you a politician?

whuat?