MVP Discussion [19/20] [part II] - voting opened

scrabbarista · Post #421 » by **scrabbarista** » Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:37 pm

as of the morning of January 16th

14.94 Antetokounmpo
13.82 Harden
13.50 James
12.44 Gobert
11.54 Doncic

10.79 Butler
10.38 Jokic
10.27 Leonard
9.68 Lillard
9.14 Sabonis

9.12 Davis

Antetokounmpo now has a larger lead on Harden (1.12) than James has on Gobert (1.06) which feels like a symbolic tipping point of sorts, as it could represent the beginning of turning from a "top three" to a "top one." The coming weeks will tell. In any case, Antetokounmpo's lead is (probably) now more than could realistically be made up in a single game, no matter how well Harden played or how badly Antetokounmpo did. That may be my cue to start posting only once a week like I did last season.

Sabonis won last night by going for 29/13/6/1/1 with 3 turnovers on 13/17 from the field and being +21 in a game his team won by five points.

eminence · Post #422 » by **eminence** » Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:44 pm

As of right now I'd still have LeBron hanging with Giannis (though in 2nd), with Harden falling a bit off the pace in a clear 3rd. I would be absolutely floored if anyone else won it as of this point.

Post #423 » by **ken6199** » Thu Jan 16, 2020 9:18 pm

Buckets22 wrote:scrabbarista, why don't you take your **** formula to the statistics forum while the rest can start discussing basketball here?

Calm down dude. If you don't like his ranking, I say ignore it. This is a forum with free speech, he has his right to post his formula, and sure you have your right to voice your displeasure. Or even better, you are free to come up with your own formula so people will pay less attention to his **** formula.

I took a quick look at those 6 guys who and1-ed your post, well, all I can say is I am not surprised to see who they are. "The regulars".

Here is the thing. I can't say I fully agree with Scrab's formula nor do I know much about how his formula works. But hey, he put in the effort even if it's a bad effort in homering Harden if that's what triggered you. His formula works for the past decade except for Derrick Rose, so at least it's something. Did you see many put in such effort in this discussion? MVP probabilities, RAPM, BPM, RAPTOR, TPA, all the other advanced stats are public available out there. It only takes a few seconds of copy and paste, yet I don't see many doing it. Most of the people just come in here to see the post they like to see which is propping their guy or bashing the guys they don't like, and this is extra obvious when it comes to that player you-know-who.

I mean in all honesty, this thread has become a **** storm lately. Literally every thread that involves you-know-who turns into a ****storm. There isn't a lot of insightful discussion going on here, and we've all noticed lot of quality posters left this thread and instead they moved onto similar topics on the PC board. Maybe we all take a good look at ourselves and think about why instead of complaining on the things you dont like to see.

scrabbarista · Post #424 » by **scrabbarista** » Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:53 pm

ken6199 wrote:
Buckets22 wrote:scrabbarista, why don't you take your **** formula to the statistics forum while the rest can start discussing basketball here?

MVP probabilities, RAPM, BPM, RAPTOR, TPA, all the other advanced stats are public available out there. It only takes a few seconds of copy and paste, yet I don't see many doing it. Most of the people just come in here to see the post they like to see which is propping their guy or bashing the guys they don't like, and this is extra obvious when it comes to that player you-know-who.

I mean in all honesty, this thread has become a **** storm lately. Literally every thread that involves you-know-who turns into a ****storm. There isn't a lot of insightful discussion going on here, and we've all noticed lot of quality posters left this thread and instead they moved onto similar topics on the PC board. Maybe we all take a good look at ourselves and think about why instead of complaining on the things you dont like to see.

This comment (Ken6119's) kind of sums up why I haven't been nearly as pro-active in engaging with discussion in this thread as I was last season. Last season I pretty much went to the maximum extreme of engagement and found at the end of the season that I probably hadn't changed a single person's mind nor had my own mind changed by much. This season I decided to take a very different approach. I think it's been the right decision.

DutchManDanFan · Post #425 » by **DutchManDanFan** » Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:57 am

There's not much of discussion with a clear winner, right now. However it's interesting to see how amazing Harden, LeBron and Luka are playing and still someone has a clear lead.
Bucks are too good and they only have one star. It's too bad there're not many other good teams with one star. And it's a pity there are so many bad teams.

MartyConlonOnTheRun · Post #426 » by **MartyConlonOnTheRun** » Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:07 pm

Only worry from a pro-Giannis bias, is that he and the Bucks peaked too early. He could legitimately sit out or be limited the final 20 games as they could have a 10+ lead on the 1 spot. How will voters feel if Giannis isn't doing much and Harden is getting 40+ while fighting for the 4 seed?

Packbuckman · Post #427 » by **Packbuckman** » Fri Jan 17, 2020 6:00 pm

MartyConlonOnTheRun wrote:Only worry from a pro-Giannis bias, is that he and the Bucks peaked too early. He could legitimately sit out or be limited the final 20 games as they could have a 10+ lead on the 1 spot. How will voters feel if Giannis isn't doing much and Harden is getting 40+ while fighting for the 4 seed?

I don’t think you will ever see Giannis sit out or playing much less then he is now unless he’s is injured. Teams like the bucks always want to keep their momentum up going into the playoffs. So expect Giannis to play 30 minutes a game till the end. He and the rest of the bucks should be well rested enough going into the playoffs.

Magic Giannison · Post #428 » by **Magic Giannison** » Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:35 pm

https://www.nba.com/article/2020/01/17/kia-mvp-ladder-jan-17-edition?collection=mvp-ladder

Giannis Antetokounmpo
LeBron James
Luka Doncic
Jimmy Butler
James Harden
Anthony Davis
Kawhi Leonard
Rudy Gobert
Nikola Jokic
Chris Paul

How the hell Harden isnt 2nd?

theFireBlanket · Post #429 » by **theFireBlanket** » Sat Jan 18, 2020 3:40 pm

Magic Giannison wrote:https://www.nba.com/article/2020/01/17/kia-mvp-ladder-jan-17-edition?collection=mvp-ladder

Giannis Antetokounmpo
LeBron James
Luka Doncic
Jimmy Butler
James Harden
Anthony Davis
Kawhi Leonard
Rudy Gobert
Nikola Jokic
Chris Paul

How the hell Harden isnt 2nd?

Why isn't 2A George Hill in the door? He's got a higher WS/48 than LeBron, only topped by Doncic, AD, Harden & Gianni himself. Cause Mike Budenholzer doesn't Thibodeau his players. Hill would be an All-Star if he did.

Flying way under the radar. What a contract for the Bucks, he should be making something between Bledsoe & Khris per year.

scrabbarista · Post #430 » by **scrabbarista** » Sat Jan 18, 2020 5:09 pm

Magic Giannison wrote:https://www.nba.com/article/2020/01/17/kia-mvp-ladder-jan-17-edition?collection=mvp-ladder

Giannis Antetokounmpo
LeBron James
Luka Doncic
Jimmy Butler
James Harden
Anthony Davis
Kawhi Leonard
Rudy Gobert
Nikola Jokic
Chris Paul

How the hell Harden isnt 2nd?

Should be Antetokounmpo 1st, then Harden or James in some order (I think I'd have Harden 2nd), then a pretty decent gap.

For now!

PS The answer to your question is haters gonna hate.

moderndarwin · Post #431 » by **moderndarwin** » Sat Jan 18, 2020 7:08 pm

It’s clearly Giannis with James a close second and Harden a clear third. If that Lakers squad just had AD they’d basically be another version of the Pelicans. With James they are clear cut title contenders.

iggymcfrack · Post #432 » by **iggymcfrack** » Sat Jan 18, 2020 8:36 pm

Magic Giannison wrote:https://www.nba.com/article/2020/01/17/kia-mvp-ladder-jan-17-edition?collection=mvp-ladder

Giannis Antetokounmpo
LeBron James
Luka Doncic
Jimmy Butler
James Harden
Anthony Davis
Kawhi Leonard
Rudy Gobert
Nikola Jokic
Chris Paul

How the hell Harden isnt 2nd?

They intentionally introduce recency bias into those kind of things to make them have more movement. It’s not a real ranking for the season. Since Houston’s lost 3 of their last 4 and Harden just got held to 13 points, they have to find someone to pass him even if it’s a little ridiculous. LeBron at #2 is fine though, that’s deserved.

JordansBulls · Post #433 » by **JordansBulls** » Sat Jan 18, 2020 9:54 pm

moderndarwin wrote:It’s clearly Giannis with James a close second and Harden a clear third. If that Lakers squad just had AD they’d basically be another version of the Pelicans. With James they are clear cut title contenders.

The Lakers didn’t even make the playoffs last year with Lebron.

dygaction · Post #434 » by **dygaction** » Sat Jan 18, 2020 11:37 pm

scrabbarista wrote:
Magic Giannison wrote:https://www.nba.com/article/2020/01/17/kia-mvp-ladder-jan-17-edition?collection=mvp-ladder

Giannis Antetokounmpo
LeBron James
Luka Doncic
Jimmy Butler
James Harden
Anthony Davis
Kawhi Leonard
Rudy Gobert
Nikola Jokic
Chris Paul

How the hell Harden isnt 2nd?

Should be Antetokounmpo 1st, then Harden or James in some order, then a pretty decent gap.

For now!

PS The answer to your question is haters gonna hate.

Yes, haters gonna hate. Rockets and Mavs have nearly the same record now. Why Harden ahead of Luka? I would not mind saying they are comparable.

scrabbarista · Post #435 » by **scrabbarista** » Sun Jan 19, 2020 1:16 am

dygaction wrote:
scrabbarista wrote:
Magic Giannison wrote:https://www.nba.com/article/2020/01/17/kia-mvp-ladder-jan-17-edition?collection=mvp-ladder

Giannis Antetokounmpo
LeBron James
Luka Doncic
Jimmy Butler
James Harden
Anthony Davis
Kawhi Leonard
Rudy Gobert
Nikola Jokic
Chris Paul

How the hell Harden isnt 2nd?

Should be Antetokounmpo 1st, then Harden or James in some order, then a pretty decent gap.

For now!

PS The answer to your question is haters gonna hate.

Yes, haters gonna hate. Rockets and Mavs have nearly the same record now. Why Harden ahead of Luka? I would not mind saying they are comparable.

Mavericks have the exact same record as the Pacers. Why Luka over T.J. Warren?

dygaction · Post #436 » by **dygaction** » Sun Jan 19, 2020 2:09 am

scrabbarista wrote:
dygaction wrote:
scrabbarista wrote:
Should be Antetokounmpo 1st, then Harden or James in some order, then a pretty decent gap.

For now!

PS The answer to your question is haters gonna hate.

Yes, haters gonna hate. Rockets and Mavs have nearly the same record now. Why Harden ahead of Luka? I would not mind saying they are comparable.

Mavericks have the exact same record as the Pacers. Why Luka over T.J. Warren?

LOL, don't argue with me, argue with nba.com, realgm voting... Again, haters gonna hate, as you said.

MisterHibachi · Post #437 » by **MisterHibachi** » Sun Jan 19, 2020 4:03 am

LeBron getting MVP chants in Houston.

Edrees · Post #438 » by **Edrees** » Sun Jan 19, 2020 4:58 am

MisterHibachi wrote:LeBron getting MVP chants in Houston.

I"m just gonna take this as admission by Rockets fans they think Lebron is MVP. No excuse to let that happen on your own court when another MVP candidate is on your own. It's not like its a small market.

MisterHibachi · Post #439 » by **MisterHibachi** » Sun Jan 19, 2020 5:03 am

Edrees wrote:
MisterHibachi wrote:LeBron getting MVP chants in Houston.

I"m just gonna take this as admission by Rockets fans they think Lebron is MVP. No excuse to let that happen on your own court when another MVP candidate is on your own. It's not like its a small market.

Well, a Harden MVP case doesn't really make sense right now with the Rockets in 6th place and having lost 3 straight and 4 of their last 5.

Ballerhogger · Post #440 » by **Ballerhogger** » Sun Jan 19, 2020 5:09 am

JordansBulls wrote:
moderndarwin wrote:It’s clearly Giannis with James a close second and Harden a clear third. If that Lakers squad just had AD they’d basically be another version of the Pelicans. With James they are clear cut title contenders.

The Lakers didn’t even make the playoffs last year with Lebron.

James was injuried last year dude.. :noway:

plus you can’t have star and that team going anywhere in the West last year . Lonzo ball rookie pretty much ... that team was horrid G league without Lebron:

Who is your pick for the 2019-20 MVP?