Tatum VS Luka

[bradybunch]

Luka would never...

[dygaction]

People keep saying that yet bring now factual evidence. Outside passing what category is Luca clearly dominant in? And its not like Tatum is even a bad playmaker. Its really not surprising that these takes are coming off of Tatum’s prob worst game of the season…..

Pretty sure he's a dominant scorer also. On good percentages outside of FTs.

Tatum isnt with good free throw shooting?

Free throw percentage is likely the only thing to Tatum on offense. Luka averages 8.4 FTA and Tatum averages 4.4, so their pressure on defense is not the same. Luka shoots 2s and 3s at higher volume, higher efficiency while being more heavily doubled/guarded. Tatum and PG13 are incredibly comparable while I believe Tatum's ceiling is higher.

In their playoffs:
Doncic: 33.1/9.3/8.7; 27.5PER; 49.2/38.8/64.2 shooting split; .588TS%; +10.1BPM
Tatum: 22.3/6.6/3.9; 18.5PER; 44.5/36.9/83.0 shooting split; .570TS%; +4.0BPM
Prime Paul George playoffs (13-21):
George: 23.5/7.8/4.5; 18.9PER; 42.8/35.9/82.6 shooting split; .568TS%; +3.8BPM

[damanick10]

Luka doesn't disappear like Tatum can

[Patsfan1081]

Pretty sure he's a dominant scorer also. On good percentages outside of FTs.

Tatum isnt with good free throw shooting?

Free throw percentage is likely the only thing to Tatum on offense. Luka averages 8.4 FGA and Tatum averages 4.4, so their pressure on defense is not the same. Luka shoots 2s and 3s at higher volume, higher efficiency while being more heavily doubled/guarded. Tatum and PG13 are incredibly comparable while I believe Tatum's ceiling is higher.

In their playoffs:
Doncic: 33.1/9.3/8.7; 27.5PER; 49.2/38.8/64.2 shooting split; .588TS%; +10.1BPM
Tatum: 22.3/6.6/3.9; 18.5PER; 44.5/36.9/83.0 shooting split; .570TS%; +4.0BPM
Prime Paul George playoffs (13-21):
George: 23.5/7.8/4.5; 18.9PER; 42.8/35.9/82.6 shooting split; .568TS%; +3.8BPM

?? Tatum is doubled every time he touches the ball, Bucks even went on record saying their main concern is taking the ball out of his hands. Thats also a reason why Tatum has taking less shots and distributed more. Youre also comparing a seasoned vet to a 24 year old, George was never a true number one option that could create his own shot nearly as well. Do you also want to dismiss the regular season entirely? You cant make a sound argument that Luka is soundly a better scorer if even at all. He def isnt a better shooter.

[Arsenal]

Is this real? OP should be ashamed of making such a ridiculous thread.

Jayson Tatum may be the MOST overrated player in the league.

Based off what? Im sure it has nothing to do with playing in Boston….

Based on 10 pts on 4-19 FG shooting in a must-win playoff game his team lost by 2 points. Meanwhile Luka averaging a 30 pt triple double against the best team in the league.

Did you even watch Tatum's performance today?

No one in their right mind could possibly put him up with Luka.

I'm sure you doing so has nothing to do with him playing in Boston...

[Lockdown504090]

Pretty sure he's a dominant scorer also. On good percentages outside of FTs.

Tatum isnt with good free throw shooting?

Free throw percentage is likely the only thing to Tatum on offense. Luka averages 8.4 FGA and Tatum averages 4.4, so their pressure on defense is not the same. Luka shoots 2s and 3s at higher volume, higher efficiency while being more heavily doubled/guarded. Tatum and PG13 are incredibly comparable while I believe Tatum's ceiling is higher.

In their playoffs:
Doncic: 33.1/9.3/8.7; 27.5PER; 49.2/38.8/64.2 shooting split; .588TS%; +10.1BPM
Tatum: 22.3/6.6/3.9; 18.5PER; 44.5/36.9/83.0 shooting split; .570TS%; +4.0BPM
Prime Paul George playoffs (13-21):
George: 23.5/7.8/4.5; 18.9PER; 42.8/35.9/82.6 shooting split; .568TS%; +3.8BPM

thats not really measuring diversity of roles that tatum can play or defense, raw production isnt really the only determining factor of playoff success. luka is still better and more valuable, but its not as wide of a margin as your analysis would suggest. Luka has been pretty unstoppable in pnr/iso unless you put a top 3 all time wing defender on him, yeah, hes not perfect, but this is like ppl saying all giannis do is run and dunk 3 years ago.

[Patsfan1081]

Luka doesn't disappear like Tatum can

So when guys like Embiid go 4-20 with a bunch of turnovers and one offensive board he doesnt get labeled as someone who disappears?

Again, its funny how people dont have a comment in a thread days old until the player they hate has a bad game. It was the same when Luka had those back to back bad defensive games.

[Patsfan1081]

Is this real? OP should be ashamed of making such a ridiculous thread.

Jayson Tatum may be the MOST overrated player in the league.

Based off what? Im sure it has nothing to do with playing in Boston….

Based on 10 pts on 4-19 FG shooting in a must-win playoff game his team lost by 2 points. Meanwhile Luka averaging a 30 pt triple double against the best team in the league.

Did you even watch Tatum's performance today?

No one in their right mind could possibly put him up with Luka.

I'm sure you doing so has nothing to do with him playing in Boston...

Its not a must win, Luka isnt averaging a triple double, he’s also averaging 7 to’s, Mavs are also giving up 110 per game and down in the series. But Im sure when Embiid went 5-20 vs Miami you had similar hot takes……. Like I said, the media have him a mvp finalist and he’ll most likely be first team all nba. He’s fist in the league in defensive win shares and top 5 in points…..but yeah

[dygaction]

Tatum isnt with good free throw shooting?

Free throw percentage is likely the only thing to Tatum on offense. Luka averages 8.4 FGA and Tatum averages 4.4, so their pressure on defense is not the same. Luka shoots 2s and 3s at higher volume, higher efficiency while being more heavily doubled/guarded. Tatum and PG13 are incredibly comparable while I believe Tatum's ceiling is higher.

In their playoffs:
Doncic: 33.1/9.3/8.7; 27.5PER; 49.2/38.8/64.2 shooting split; .588TS%; +10.1BPM
Tatum: 22.3/6.6/3.9; 18.5PER; 44.5/36.9/83.0 shooting split; .570TS%; +4.0BPM
Prime Paul George playoffs (13-21):
George: 23.5/7.8/4.5; 18.9PER; 42.8/35.9/82.6 shooting split; .568TS%; +3.8BPM

?? Tatum is doubled every time he touches the ball, Bucks even went on record saying their main concern is taking the ball out of his hands. Thats also a reason why Tatum has taking less shots and distributed more. Youre also comparing a seasoned vet to a 24 year old, George was never a true number one option that could create his own shot nearly as well. Do you also want to dismiss the regular season entirely? You cant make a sound argument that Luka is soundly a better scorer if even at all. He def isnt a better shooter.

More heavily doubled means they were both heavily doubled. Tatum is doubled but he is not doubled like Luka, who has been the most doubled player in the entire league.

I am using PG13 to say they are both good on offense and defense, and clearly said Tatum has a higher ceiling. PG13 was #3 in regular season MVP voting just a few years ago. He had series of 28.0/8.8/7.3 in Pacers and 28.6/8.6/3.6 in OKC in the playoffs. His last year playoff over 19 games was 26.9/9.6/5.4... Are we really taking about PG13 like a joke? PG13 was the single core of Pacers that took Miami big 3 to 7 and 6 games in ECF two years in a row at 22 and 23 of age...

[Los_29]

This is why threads shouldn't be started after someone has a great game.

This isn't close. Luka is miles ahead of Tatum. Luka is a true generational type talent. Those kinds of players rarely come along. If you swapped Luka with Tatum, the Mavs are a play-in team and the Celtics are a 60 win team and wouldn't be struggling to beat a depleted Bucks team.

People keep saying that yet bring now factual evidence. Outside passing what category is Luca clearly dominant in? And its not like Tatum is even a bad playmaker. Its really not surprising that these takes are coming off of Tatum’s prob worst game of the season…..

But you just cant' say "outside of passing." That's an incredibly important category on offense. LOL. The difference between Luka and Tatum in terms of passing is massive. Literally massive. Luka is a magician with the ball in his hands.

Luka's playoff averages are 33/9/9 on 49% from the field and 39% from three. There are levels to this and Tatum isn't on Luka's level.

[damanick10]

Luka doesn't disappear like Tatum can

So when guys like Embiid go 4-20 with a bunch of turnovers and one offensive board he doesnt get labeled as someone who disappears?

Again, its funny how people dont have a comment in a thread days old until the player they hate has a bad game. It was the same when Luka had those back to back bad defensive games.

We're not talking about Embiid. We are talking about Luka, a future top 10 player ever if he stays healthy. Tatum has disappeared before its not just a hot take.

[Dirkules]

Again, its funny how people dont have a comment in a thread days old until the player they hate has a bad game. It was the same when Luka had those back to back bad defensive games.

You were one of those "people" who jumped balls deep into this thread when it resurfaced so the Luka haters could **** on his defense.

[dygaction]

Tatum isnt with good free throw shooting?

Free throw percentage is likely the only thing to Tatum on offense. Luka averages 8.4 FGA and Tatum averages 4.4, so their pressure on defense is not the same. Luka shoots 2s and 3s at higher volume, higher efficiency while being more heavily doubled/guarded. Tatum and PG13 are incredibly comparable while I believe Tatum's ceiling is higher.

In their playoffs:
Doncic: 33.1/9.3/8.7; 27.5PER; 49.2/38.8/64.2 shooting split; .588TS%; +10.1BPM
Tatum: 22.3/6.6/3.9; 18.5PER; 44.5/36.9/83.0 shooting split; .570TS%; +4.0BPM
Prime Paul George playoffs (13-21):
George: 23.5/7.8/4.5; 18.9PER; 42.8/35.9/82.6 shooting split; .568TS%; +3.8BPM

thats not really measuring diversity of roles that tatum can play or defense, raw production isnt really the only determining factor of playoff success. luka is still better and more valuable, but its not as wide of a margin as your analysis would suggest. Luka has been pretty unstoppable in pnr/iso unless you put a top 3 all time wing defender on him, yeah, hes not perfect, but this is like ppl saying all giannis do is run and dunk 3 years ago.

I was only talking about offense. There is a clear advantage to Tatum in defense. I only took their career average and Tatum took a leap in the past few years as well.

[Peregrine01]

Luka. An offensive savant who isn’t good on defense is more valuable than a good offensive player with great defense. Just the way the game is.

Tatum has a better offensive win share this season and finished at the top of the league in scoring, I think this is downplaying his offense a little bit. He’s obviously a good number one option on a contender. People are putting Luca leagues ahead offensively and I havent heard a good reason as to why. Obviously he’s a excellent passer but even Tatum has now improved in that area by a decent amount and is even averaging more assists in the playoffs. Like I said, even as a C’s fan Id put Luka ahead but anyone saying he’s clearly has brought any factual evidence to the table.

I think Tatum made big strides on offense this year but playmaking doesn’t come naturally to him and when pressed he tends to fall into old habits. All of the things that Tatum has to work at comes naturally to Luka and it shows.

The Bucks have largely guarded him straight up with Wes Mathews and he has yet to put much pressure on the defense at all. Luka just cannot be neutralized to such an extent on offense.

[Chronz]

Pretty sure he's a dominant scorer also. On good percentages outside of FTs.

Tatum isnt with good free throw shooting?

Free throw percentage is likely the only thing to Tatum on offense. Luka averages 8.4 FGA and Tatum averages 4.4, so their pressure on defense is not the same. Luka shoots 2s and 3s at higher volume, higher efficiency while being more heavily doubled/guarded. Tatum and PG13 are incredibly comparable while I believe Tatum's ceiling is higher.

In their playoffs:
Doncic: 33.1/9.3/8.7; 27.5PER; 49.2/38.8/64.2 shooting split; .588TS%; +10.1BPM
Tatum: 22.3/6.6/3.9; 18.5PER; 44.5/36.9/83.0 shooting split; .570TS%; +4.0BPM
Prime Paul George playoffs (13-21):
George: 23.5/7.8/4.5; 18.9PER; 42.8/35.9/82.6 shooting split; .568TS%; +3.8BPM

Pg13 played on teams that didn't space the floor that well so the identical stats actually hurt Tatum here

[Chronz]

Tatum isnt with good free throw shooting?

Free throw percentage is likely the only thing to Tatum on offense. Luka averages 8.4 FGA and Tatum averages 4.4, so their pressure on defense is not the same. Luka shoots 2s and 3s at higher volume, higher efficiency while being more heavily doubled/guarded. Tatum and PG13 are incredibly comparable while I believe Tatum's ceiling is higher.

In their playoffs:
Doncic: 33.1/9.3/8.7; 27.5PER; 49.2/38.8/64.2 shooting split; .588TS%; +10.1BPM
Tatum: 22.3/6.6/3.9; 18.5PER; 44.5/36.9/83.0 shooting split; .570TS%; +4.0BPM
Prime Paul George playoffs (13-21):
George: 23.5/7.8/4.5; 18.9PER; 42.8/35.9/82.6 shooting split; .568TS%; +3.8BPM

thats not really measuring diversity of roles that tatum can play or defense, raw production isnt really the only determining factor of playoff success. luka is still better and more valuable, but its not as wide of a margin as your analysis would suggest. Luka has been pretty unstoppable in pnr/iso unless you put a top 3 all time wing defender on him, yeah, hes not perfect, but this is like ppl saying all giannis do is run and dunk 3 years ago.

tbf
Diversity of roles doesn't differentiate for either here. Unless you're young enough to think pg13 only ever had a single role

[Arsenal]

Based off what? Im sure it has nothing to do with playing in Boston….

Based on 10 pts on 4-19 FG shooting in a must-win playoff game his team lost by 2 points. Meanwhile Luka averaging a 30 pt triple double against the best team in the league.

Did you even watch Tatum's performance today?

No one in their right mind could possibly put him up with Luka.

I'm sure you doing so has nothing to do with him playing in Boston...

Its not a must win, Luka isnt averaging a triple double, he’s also averaging 7 to’s, Mavs are also giving up 110 per game and down in the series. But Im sure when Embiid went 5-20 vs Miami you had similar hot takes……. Like I said, the media have him a mvp finalist and he’ll most likely be first team all nba. He’s fist in the league in defensive win shares and top 5 in points…..but yeah

Why bring up Embiid, a massive game changer who dominated the Heat via defense alone, in a thread about how Tatum is overrated and isn’t close to Luka?

Stick to the subject. Luka is so much better than Tatum it isn’t close.

[dygaction]

Based off what? Im sure it has nothing to do with playing in Boston….

Based on 10 pts on 4-19 FG shooting in a must-win playoff game his team lost by 2 points. Meanwhile Luka averaging a 30 pt triple double against the best team in the league.

Did you even watch Tatum's performance today?

No one in their right mind could possibly put him up with Luka.

I'm sure you doing so has nothing to do with him playing in Boston...

Its not a must win, Luka isnt averaging a triple double, he’s also averaging 7 to’s, Mavs are also giving up 110 per game and down in the series. But Im sure when Embiid went 5-20 vs Miami you had similar hot takes……. Like I said, the media have him a mvp finalist and he’ll most likely be first team all nba. He’s fist in the league in defensive win shares and top 5 in points…..but yeah

Average 7 to's? are we supposed to just guess the numbers now? I mean, he did have a game with 7 to's. Mavs are 1:2 down in the series, but correct me if I am wrong, aren't the same for Celtics?

[DroseReturnChi]

Luka. An offensive savant who isn’t good on defense is more valuable than a good offensive player with great defense. Just the way the game is.

Tatum has a better offensive win share this season and finished at the top of the league in scoring, I think this is downplaying his offense a little bit. He’s obviously a good number one option on a contender. People are putting Luca leagues ahead offensively and I havent heard a good reason as to why. Obviously he’s a excellent passer but even Tatum has now improved in that area by a decent amount and is even averaging more assists in the playoffs. Like I said, even as a C’s fan Id put Luka ahead but anyone saying he’s clearly has brought any factual evidence to the table.

having the audacity to say he has a better offense win share despite 4-19 one of the worst playoff performances in history.
like i said earlier tatum is a title 3rd option thats forced to be number 1. these guys are closer to luka's jalen brunson than batman. tatum would be lucky to have a career like PG13 and hes not touching KL who was challenged by Luka 7games twice.

if i was tatum, i would drop the fake star title and focus on being more efficient and less ball dominant. he should imitate his game to steph and ray allen curry rather than luka. taking 10-15 shots for 20ppg efficiency like bane should be his 1st goal. american stars like lavine and tatum lack the bq and iq to be franchise players they need to go back to school and develop fundamentals how to use athleticism properly. poor tatum got the wrong teachings from kobe he became cocky, arrogant and forgot the draft profile he was a 3 and D wing.

[Bob8]

Based off what? Im sure it has nothing to do with playing in Boston….

Based on 10 pts on 4-19 FG shooting in a must-win playoff game his team lost by 2 points. Meanwhile Luka averaging a 30 pt triple double against the best team in the league.

Did you even watch Tatum's performance today?

No one in their right mind could possibly put him up with Luka.

I'm sure you doing so has nothing to do with him playing in Boston...

Its not a must win, Luka isnt averaging a triple double, he’s also averaging 7 to’s, Mavs are also giving up 110 per game and down in the series. But Im sure when Embiid went 5-20 vs Miami you had similar hot takes……. Like I said, the media have him a mvp finalist and he’ll most likely be first team all nba. He’s fist in the league in defensive win shares and top 5 in points…..but yeah

You might at least look at stats, before writing nonsense. Luka is averaging 4.8 TO not 7, which is a big difference. With 40% usage that's more or less normal. Mavs were always very good in protecting the ball, because Luka is basically doing everything so others don't turn ball much.

Don't you think that Luka isn't the only problem in Mavs' D? Starting Powell and Brunson with Luka cannot bring you great D. What would have happened, if Luka was playing with Smart and Williams instead of those 2? It would be much improved Mavs D in this case.

Btw. Luka is candidate for first All Nba team too, if he makes it, it would be 3rd time in a row, doing all that with just 23 years and far away from optimal conditioning.