Woj/Shams Bomb: Porzingis traded to Celtics Part Deux! Grizzlies involved, Marcus Smart to Grizz - Tyus Jones to Wiz

[FrodoFraggins]

While I got sick of Smart's BS years ago, this isn't some huge win win trade. The team completely lost their defensive identity under Mazzula. Getting rid of one of your two best defenders is a massive risk if you want to turn that around.

Smart wasn't the heart of the team, as the team hasn't had a heart since IT, he was just the only one to show emotion, and his ego could never stop him from trying to be the hero on offense. Why that was never corrected and punished is beyond me.

Anyway, after always injured Hayward and Brogdon, it's hard to get excited about relying on KP.

[jumblin]

-Derrick White is Brad's guy. Pretty clear he thinks the team is better with White playing more and he's probably right

-Brogdon's injury probably isn't that bad otherwise I doubt Brad gets rid of his starting PG

-Smart has been the Celtics heart and soul for years....yet the Celtics have been a soft, weak-minded team that falls apart in the clutch. Maybe Smart's leadership isn't all its cracked up to be.

[eyeatoma]

You just packed so much into this comment that I had to bookmark it

You guys are in no position to talk trash. Failed to make the finals, when the game was there for the taking. Went down 0-3, nearly lost to the Sixers, except for Tatum having one otherworldly game. The Celtics made a move that could help, but overall, they are taking a lot of risk with injury. Not to mention, Tatum is still inconsistent in the playoffs, and Jaylen Brown is about to become the most overpaid star in the league, with the largest contract. That contract becomes untradeable the moment he puts pen to paper. He still can't go to his left, and was being outplayed by Caleb Martin. You got rid of someone who was the heart of the team, and still have Brown who is not a good fit.

My friend, you know that I consider you a good poster. So, don't take this the wrong way but I have to be honest. In this particular interaction, Celtics fans didn't talk any trash. You're the one talking trash. It happens, that's what fandom often looks like, I'm not holding it against you but I did have to be honest.

haa, I am frustrated at the Sixers lack of any sort of action, so i'm taking it out on Celtics fans. I admit it. I still believe this is risky, because of the intangibles that smart brings, but if healthy it's a great move for Porzingis, as long as he's not a locker room cancer.

[metalinguss]

Smart is actually who Dillon Brooks thinks he is.

[Bill Bradley]

Smart has been holding the team back. Should have been coming off the bench like he initially was, not made a focal point and team leader. I think we will see Brown in particular unlocked with Smart gone. The trade is addition by subtraction and Porzingis takes Celtics to another level.

[chrisab123]

I know people have mentioned the Dantley for Aguirre deal a couple times here. The more I think about it the more it makes sense. Dantley didn't see eye to eye with Daly much like Smart didn't with Mazzula and they were maxed out on where they could take this core. Aguirre brought a new element to the pistons and opened up more time for Rodman. In this scenario Smart leaving opens up the starting spot for Derrick White who deserves more shine.

Good parallels. Celtics are the east favorites today because they are going to start Derrick White. He's really really underrated around the league.

[Nuntius]

You guys are in no position to talk trash. Failed to make the finals, when the game was there for the taking. Went down 0-3, nearly lost to the Sixers, except for Tatum having one otherworldly game. The Celtics made a move that could help, but overall, they are taking a lot of risk with injury. Not to mention, Tatum is still inconsistent in the playoffs, and Jaylen Brown is about to become the most overpaid star in the league, with the largest contract. That contract becomes untradeable the moment he puts pen to paper. He still can't go to his left, and was being outplayed by Caleb Martin. You got rid of someone who was the heart of the team, and still have Brown who is not a good fit.

My friend, you know that I consider you a good poster. So, don't take this the wrong way but I have to be honest. In this particular interaction, Celtics fans didn't talk any trash. You're the one talking trash. It happens, that's what fandom often looks like, I'm not holding it against you but I did have to be honest.

haa, I am frustrated at the Sixers lack of any sort of action, so i'm taking it out on Celtics fans. I admit it.

That is 100% understandable. The fact that you're admitting this is why I consider you a good poster, by the way.

I still believe this is risky, because of the intangibles that smart brings, but if healthy it's a great move for Porzingis, as long as he's not a locker room cancer.

I get it. There is risk involved given KP's injury history. Thinking that it's risky is a valid position.

[steefP2]

Fwiw; the Celtics last season with White at pg were a + 15.7 per 100 possessions, in a sample size of around 1000 possessions.


I think this trade is as much about getting porzingis whos a pure talent upgrade, horford replacement long term and someone who will diversify the offense, as it is about unleashing Derrick white and removing the last training wheels holding Tatum back as a playmaker and leader

[Joshyjess]

Just read an article over at CBS sports that Boston was Porzingis' preferred destination. It's always good when a player gets to go to a team that he really wants to play for - hopefully a bit more incentive to give it everything he has.

[stillgotgame]

Yeah this is an epic fail of a trade. Lost the soul of your team in Smart, keep the guard that was too injured to trade, for an equally injury prone Center, who is also known to be a team cancer. Celtics, it was nice knowing you.

Team cancer? Show me examples.

Why do you think Dallas traded him for pennies?

He didn't get along with Luka. He was also a prima donna in New York. You want proof, look it up, it's all over the internet lol. Google is your friend, I found it in less than five seconds. This is also a person who has been accused of sexual assault. All in all, does not seem to be a great person.

OK, sure. Luka completely ignored him.

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[50yrceltsfan]

I/m surprised with Boston trading away Smart. I honestly thought Brown would be the one to leave before Smart. Is Smart some type of locker room cancer that nobody know of? Washington with the obvious tank move there.

Trading Smart was not their first choice, but once the Brogdon deal collapsed they had to complete the deal for Porzingis.

Marcus is an outstanding player in so many ways. He's a good (not great) scorer - hits 3's, can get real hot, great touch around the rim, can post up, isn't afraid of the moment. He's underrated as a scorer.

He's a terrific passer - alley-oops, back door cuts, on the break. Unselfish offensive player. Good ball handler, occasionally turns it over but overall has a good Assist-TO ratio.

On defense-steals-hustle plays, there are few like him - virtually none. He makes things happen out there, a true impact player.

[chrisab123]

I/m surprised with Boston trading away Smart. I honestly thought Brown would be the one to leave before Smart. Is Smart some type of locker room cancer that nobody know of? Washington with the obvious tank move there.

Trading Smart was not their first choice, but once the Brogdon deal collapsed they had to complete the deal for Porzingis.

Marcus is an outstanding player in so many ways. He's a good (not great) scorer - hits 3's, can get real hot, great touch around the rim, can post up, isn't afraid of the moment. He's underrated as a scorer.

He's a terrific passer - alley-oops, back door cuts, on the break. Unselfish offensive player. Good ball handler, occasionally turns it over but overall has a good Assist-TO ratio.

On defense-steals-hustle plays, there are few like him - virtually none. He makes things happen out there, a true impact player.

Counterpoint. He falls in love with his shots way to frequently and tries to take over a game at times. The most glaring example of this is Game 7 of the 2022 East Finals where he almost single handedly shot them out of the game. Really good defender that dropped off from a career year in 2022. He's outstanding for his role, he is not however the impact player that a star player would normally be. If you reign him in and just have him play defense and pass the ball at times you'll be fine. Its when he's empowered to be Steph Curry that makes it an issue. While Ja is out, Marcus might end up being the #2 option for Memphis, great for his overall value but its not going to stop his bad habits and might not help Memphis as much as him just playing his role and being a really good defensive guard.

[50yrceltsfan]

I/m surprised with Boston trading away Smart. I honestly thought Brown would be the one to leave before Smart. Is Smart some type of locker room cancer that nobody know of? Washington with the obvious tank move there.

Trading Smart was not their first choice, but once the Brogdon deal collapsed they had to complete the deal for Porzingis.

Marcus is an outstanding player in so many ways. He's a good (not great) scorer - hits 3's, can get real hot, great touch around the rim, can post up, isn't afraid of the moment. He's underrated as a scorer.

He's a terrific passer - alley-oops, back door cuts, on the break. Unselfish offensive player. Good ball handler, occasionally turns it over but overall has a good Assist-TO ratio.

On defense-steals-hustle plays, there are few like him - virtually none. He makes things happen out there, a true impact player.

Counterpoint. He falls in love with his shots way to frequently and tries to take over a game at times. The most glaring example of this is Game 7 of the 2022 East Finals where he almost single handedly shot them out of the game. Really good defender that dropped off from a career year in 2022. He's outstanding for his role, he is not however the impact player that a star player would normally be. If you reign him in and just have him play defense and pass the ball at times you'll be fine. Its when he's empowered to be Steph Curry that makes it an issue. While Ja is out, Marcus might end up being the #2 option for Memphis, great for his overall value but its not going to stop his bad habits and might not help Memphis as much as him just playing his role and being a really good defensive guard.

But he rarely takes terrible shots like a deep 3 while covered tightly. Tatum and Brown took a lot more bad shots than Smart. I felt good about most of his shots, and as confident as when Tatum or Brown shot. I think fans and media exaggerate that about him, that he's a clueless gunslinger. Not so.

[jehosafats]

Wow wow wow, Smart ... I remember a few years back when Boston had way too many guards, many of them good. Smart managed to distinguish himself. He was their spirit animal. Trading him is basically rebuilding without rebuilding.

[chrisab123]

Trading Smart was not their first choice, but once the Brogdon deal collapsed they had to complete the deal for Porzingis.

Marcus is an outstanding player in so many ways. He's a good (not great) scorer - hits 3's, can get real hot, great touch around the rim, can post up, isn't afraid of the moment. He's underrated as a scorer.

He's a terrific passer - alley-oops, back door cuts, on the break. Unselfish offensive player. Good ball handler, occasionally turns it over but overall has a good Assist-TO ratio.

On defense-steals-hustle plays, there are few like him - virtually none. He makes things happen out there, a true impact player.

Counterpoint. He falls in love with his shots way to frequently and tries to take over a game at times. The most glaring example of this is Game 7 of the 2022 East Finals where he almost single handedly shot them out of the game. Really good defender that dropped off from a career year in 2022. He's outstanding for his role, he is not however the impact player that a star player would normally be. If you reign him in and just have him play defense and pass the ball at times you'll be fine. Its when he's empowered to be Steph Curry that makes it an issue. While Ja is out, Marcus might end up being the #2 option for Memphis, great for his overall value but its not going to stop his bad habits and might not help Memphis as much as him just playing his role and being a really good defensive guard.

But he rarely takes terrible shots like a deep 3 while covered tightly. Tatum and Brown took a lot more bad shots than Smart. I felt good about most of his shots, and as confident as when Tatum or Brown shot. I think fans and media exaggerate that about him, that he's a clueless gunslinger. Not so.

This is the real problem. We're still on this board comparing Smart to Tatum and Brown. Why is Smart not covered tightly? Same logic as Rondo. Teams want Smart to take the shot over Tatum and Brown. Logic would almost guarantee that Smart would get better looks than both of them because you guard the stars tighter than role players. We need to stop viewing Marcus Smart as a star player.

[Dacost]

Just a homerun for Memphis.I see alot of Boston Media trying downplay Smarts impact and yes some of it is true.And even his health going forward is a question mark.

However Grizzlies were starving for a voice and new leadership after Dillon Brooks and JA destroy the culture.

[AleksandarN]

Ouch. Feel for you Celtics fans if this is anything serious it would suck.

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[Tor_Raps]

Ouch. Feel for you Celtics fans if this is anything serious it would suck.

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The only time the guy could stay healthy when it didn't mean anything in Washington. Hope he can turn that around man

[LordCovington33]

What do you expect? Has only averaged around 40 games a year since joining Dallas.

[juanc]

Ouch. Feel for you Celtics fans if this is anything serious it would suck.

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