NBA MVP Discussion Thread 2023-24 (continued)

[iggymcfrack]

Giannis Embiid Jokic Luka

Everyone else

And honestly if I had to pick a 5th it’d be the Canadian SGA out of anyone.

Very sad state of affairs for American basketball. Lowest we’ve ever been.

It’s Jokic on advanced stats - and being the best player on earth by a wide margin

It’s Embiid on counting stats

It’s Giannis as the second best player on earth

And then it’s everyone else - fox was the best of the rest tonight - better than Luka and he beat SGA head up.

The 4th spot is on rotation - tonight it’s Fox -

Fox? Fox? Did you watch the game? SGA was a basketball terminator. He runs past people like the Roadrunner going past Wile E. Coyote. So the Kings won a home game where they were hot from three. Big whoop. If the Hawks beat a team with an MVP candidate tomorrow and Trae scores 40 does that make him a top 5 MVP candidate? If you took Fox and turned him from a **** defender into the best defensive guard in the league, he still wouldn’t be on SGA’s level.

It’s Jokic and SGA for the MVP right now. Jokic is maybe the best offensive player in history. SGA is a top 5 offensive player and the best non-big defender since pre-injury Kawhi. No one else has a real case.

[mpoo_sin]

Doncic has been getting doubled around 150 times this season. Next is Cunningham with 61...
He is going to give you 50+ if you play him single coverage right now.

Best offensive player in the game and his defense this year is really solid.

[iggymcfrack]

Doncic has been getting doubled around 150 times this season. Next is Cunningham with 61...
He is going to give you 50+ if you play him single coverage right now.

Best offensive player in the game and his defense this year is really solid.

Do you think that has anything to do with him holding the ball more than anyone in league history? Guys like Jokic and SGA, you can’t double them because they’re too quick and decisive with their actions. Luka dribbles the clock down to 7 every other possession so it’s a lot easier to bring a hard double and gamble that you’ll be able to rotate until the shot clock runs out.

[Archx]

Doncic has been getting doubled around 150 times this season. Next is Cunningham with 61...
He is going to give you 50+ if you play him single coverage right now.

Best offensive player in the game and his defense this year is really solid.

Do you think that has anything to do with him holding the ball more than anyone in league history? Guys like Jokic and SGA, you can’t double them because they’re too quick and decisive with their actions. Luka dribbles the clock down to 7 every other possession so it’s a lot easier to bring a hard double and gamble that you’ll be able to rotate until the shot clock runs out.

T'Wolves assistant coach broke down Luka's play before the game. Teams usually double him when he crosses the half court or when he goes into PnR because he's simply too good if they leave him 1v1. He either scores or sucks in the defenses so that leaves 4 guys open on the wings.

He's been the best half court player for like 3 or 4 years now and he's doing it again this season. He creates more open looks for his team than any other player in the league. Has nothing to do how much ball he has in his hands, if it works, it simply works.
And no Kyrie means that Mavs are that much vulnerable now because teams can focus purely on one thing, double/triple Doncic and let role players beat you. It worked vs TWolves because Mavs couldn't hit an ocean but it didn't work vs Lakers because Mavs were making their open shots.

[mpoo_sin]

Doncic has been getting doubled around 150 times this season. Next is Cunningham with 61...
He is going to give you 50+ if you play him single coverage right now.

Best offensive player in the game and his defense this year is really solid.

Do you think that has anything to do with him holding the ball more than anyone in league history? Guys like Jokic and SGA, you can’t double them because they’re too quick and decisive with their actions. Luka dribbles the clock down to 7 every other possession so it’s a lot easier to bring a hard double and gamble that you’ll be able to rotate until the shot clock runs out.

I believe you are wrong here. He is not getting doubled at the end of the shot clock., he gets doubled as soon as he initiates a PnR or sometimes even if he crosses halfcourt or in rarer instances when he gets an inbound pass before he crosses halfcourt.
That is most likely the best option to stop/stiffle the Mavericks offense because without Irving they are missing a true pressure valve.
It is still a less than perfect option, because you are essentially defending 3on4. For the Lakers it didn t work because the supporting cast made his shots, for the T'wolves it worked because Mavs couldn t make their wide open threes (Hardaway, Williams and Jones went 3/20ish on 3s).
They are missing not only Irving but also Curry and Green who could eventually punish this defensive scheme even more.

[maxpower8888]

As of Dec 15, it's still Jokic but Giannis and Embiid have been having a great month and have closed the gap. Shai and Luka are still in the mix and Hali is an honorable mention due to the Pacers' record.

[AleksandarN]

Doncic has been getting doubled around 150 times this season. Next is Cunningham with 61...
He is going to give you 50+ if you play him single coverage right now.

Best offensive player in the game and his defense this year is really solid.

Do you think that has anything to do with him holding the ball more than anyone in league history? Guys like Jokic and SGA, you can’t double them because they’re too quick and decisive with their actions. Luka dribbles the clock down to 7 every other possession so it’s a lot easier to bring a hard double and gamble that you’ll be able to rotate until the shot clock runs out.

T'Wolves assistant coach broke down Luka's play before the game. Teams usually double him when he crosses the half court or when he goes into PnR because he's simply too good if they leave him 1v1. He either scores or sucks in the defenses so that leaves 4 guys open on the wings.

He's been the best half court player for like 3 or 4 years now and he's doing it again this season. He creates more open looks for his team than any other player in the league. Has nothing to do how much ball he has in his hands, if it works, it simply works.
And no Kyrie means that Mavs are that much vulnerable now because teams can focus purely on one thing, double/triple Doncic and let role players beat you. It worked vs TWolves because Mavs couldn't hit an ocean but it didn't work vs Lakers because Mavs were making their open shots.

Doncic is great. I would say second best offensive player in the game behind Jokic. Definitely have him in the top 5 mvp candidates this year

[LeBronSpaghetti]

My ranking now would be:

1. Jokic
2. Giannis
3. SGA
4. Embiid
5. Haliburton

[DCasey91]

Doncic has been getting doubled around 150 times this season. Next is Cunningham with 61...
He is going to give you 50+ if you play him single coverage right now.

Best offensive player in the game and his defense this year is really solid.

Doncic is fantastic but I don’t believe for a sec he’s the best offensive player in the league. Too much monopoly on ball and his shooting splits have been always up and down. One of the best scorers no doubt but scoring does not equal total offence never has.

Specifically I think you are getting unders than what Harden did during the regular stuff at his Rocket tenure 86% FT, 36%3 (9 seasons) is flat out better, now playoffs different story.

[Wigginstime]

You can say all you want about the others, but Embiid has sat out the 4th quarter for a 1/3rd of the games this season because they have been so dominant. He could have stayed longer and padded stats, but he's content letting the rest of the team finish them off. All the while averaging better numbers overall than his MVP season in less minutes.

Embiid is averaging 34.4 minutes a game which is the second most of his career behind only last year when he averaged 34.6. 5 of those 7 games where 2x Wizards, 2x Pistons, and 1x Blazers. So effectively he is playing the same number of minutes as every year but sat out the 4th quarter against 3 of the worst teams in the NBA.

[CobraCommander]

Giannis Embiid Jokic Luka

Everyone else

And honestly if I had to pick a 5th it’d be the Canadian SGA out of anyone.

Very sad state of affairs for American basketball. Lowest we’ve ever been.

It’s Jokic on advanced stats - and being the best player on earth by a wide margin

It’s Embiid on counting stats

It’s Giannis as the second best player on earth

And then it’s everyone else - fox was the best of the rest tonight - better than Luka and he beat SGA head up.

The 4th spot is on rotation - tonight it’s Fox -

Fox? Fox? Did you watch the game? SGA was a basketball terminator. He runs past people like the Roadrunner going past Wile E. Coyote. So the Kings won a home game where they were hot from three. Big whoop. If the Hawks beat a team with an MVP candidate tomorrow and Trae scores 40 does that make him a top 5 MVP candidate? If you took Fox and turned him from a **** defender into the best defensive guard in the league, he still wouldn’t be on SGA’s level.

It’s Jokic and SGA for the MVP right now. Jokic is maybe the best offensive player in history. SGA is a top 5 offensive player and the best non-big defender since pre-injury Kawhi. No one else has a real case.

Watched the game - it was epic as hell- sga was definitely worthy of the 4 spot - I give it to fox because SGA and Fox both were amazing but Fox won in a head to head duel- and all things being equal…



The win has to be worth more than playing great and losing IF the other guy plays great and wins

Like I said… it’s Luka in 4 one night - hali the next - sga the next - fox - then Tatum - sprinkle in some Lebron etc

4 is fluid - 1 is static- 2&3 trade spots -

But jokic still best on earth - Giannis still second- Embiid the only one not named Giannis or Jokic that realistically is on the level worthy of mvp this year

[bigboi]

Giannis Embiid Jokic Luka

Everyone else

And honestly if I had to pick a 5th it’d be the Canadian SGA out of anyone.

Very sad state of affairs for American basketball. Lowest we’ve ever been.

It’s Jokic on advanced stats - and being the best player on earth by a wide margin

It’s Embiid on counting stats

It’s Giannis as the second best player on earth

And then it’s everyone else - fox was the best of the rest tonight - better than Luka and he beat SGA head up.

The 4th spot is on rotation - tonight it’s Fox -

“Wide margin” yet isn’t going to win MVP nor a ring this year. Make it make sense.

Rn it’s Giannis then Embiid then Jokic then Doncic or Shai. Everyone else irrelevant

[CobraCommander]

Giannis Embiid Jokic Luka

Everyone else

And honestly if I had to pick a 5th it’d be the Canadian SGA out of anyone.

Very sad state of affairs for American basketball. Lowest we’ve ever been.

It’s Jokic on advanced stats - and being the best player on earth by a wide margin

It’s Embiid on counting stats

It’s Giannis as the second best player on earth

And then it’s everyone else - fox was the best of the rest tonight - better than Luka and he beat SGA head up.

The 4th spot is on rotation - tonight it’s Fox -

“Wide margin” yet isn’t going to win MVP nor a ring this year. Make it make sense.

Rn it’s Giannis then Embiid then Jokic then Doncic or Shai. Everyone else irrelevant

Look man ....I hated the way Jokic looked played sounded and approached the game - but honestly he is moving into the top 15-10 to possibly 5 best players to ever play basketball .

Anyone that doesn’t see this by now is either basketball illiterate or biased illogically.

Everyone wished it wasn’t Jokic - especially espn and the nba - but Jokic is the only guy playing right now that could be a top 5 guy all time

[Wolfgang630]

You can be the best player by a wide margin and that doesn’t mean you’re going to win a ring or mvp. This has been proven in nba history.

[PierceFan4ever]

Right now for me imo

Embiid
Luka
Giannis
Jokic
Shai

[mpoo_sin]

You can be the best player by a wide margin and that doesn’t mean you’re going to win a ring or mvp. This has been proven in nba history.

See last year! : )

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[CobraCommander]

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What type of Luka loving BS is that ——

1 person at 1

1 person at 2

2 people at 3

And Luka is 4th? And then the person right after Luka is 6th


Wtf is up with the math and why does it only benefit Luka lol


Lakers got 2 in the top 10 and a roster of studs....hmmm need to see them in that chip hunt if this is true

[Wolfgang630]

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What type of Luka loving BS is that ——

1 person at 1

1 person at 2

2 people at 3

And Luka is 4th? And then the person right after Luka is 6th


Wtf is up with the math and why does it only benefit Luka lol


Lakers got 2 in the top 10 and a roster of studs....hmmm need to see them in that chip hunt if this is true

AD and Lebron being top 10 is like saying they should be right up there for winning the title for sure

And yeah shouldn’t Luka be 5th? Lol

[Special_Puppy]

Giannis Embiid Jokic Luka

Everyone else

And honestly if I had to pick a 5th it’d be the Canadian SGA out of anyone.

Very sad state of affairs for American basketball. Lowest we’ve ever been.

It’s Jokic on advanced stats - and being the best player on earth by a wide margin

It’s Embiid on counting stats

It’s Giannis as the second best player on earth

And then it’s everyone else - fox was the best of the rest tonight - better than Luka and he beat SGA head up.

The 4th spot is on rotation - tonight it’s Fox -

“Wide margin” yet isn’t going to win MVP nor a ring this year. Make it make sense.

Rn it’s Giannis then Embiid then Jokic then Doncic or Shai. Everyone else irrelevant

What's the arguement for Giannis over Embiid or Jokic at this point? Embiid+Jokic lead Giannis in basically every single advanced stat