are the Knicks LEGIT contenders?!

[RHODEY]

I like the tiers.. my take

Tier 1: Tatum, Brunson

Tier 2: Jaylen Brown

Tier 3: Jrue, White, Mikal, OG

Tier 4: Randle

Tier 5: Porzingis, Horford, Prichard, Hart, DDV, Mitch


For the Knicks the issue is that Randle can range himself to Tier 2 (during the regular season) to Tier 6 (Disgruntled).
But they are deeper, to (on paper) compete with Boston, they'd need Randle or his replacement to join Tier 2

My Take

Tier 1: Brunson

Tier 2: Jaylen Brown, Tatum

Tier 3: Jrue, White, Mikal, OG, Porzingis, Randle

Tier 4: Hart, DDV, Horford, Ihart , Mitch

Tier 5: , Prichard

Fixed it for you mate.

Dude post your own views instead of messing with mine...it's childish.

[bronxknicksfan1]

Brunson takes a whopping 27 shots a game in the playoffs & all of a sudden he’s better than Tatum

Brunson had a better season than Tatum.

Brunson shooting 27 times had similar efficiency as Tatum shooting 20 times.

Tatum ain’t better than him.

[bronxknicksfan1]

The right way --

Brunson > Jrue
Bridges < White
OG < Brown
Randle < Tatum
Mitch < KP
Bench ≈ Bench
Thibs < Mazz
Rosas < Stevens

Knicks <<< Celtics

Brunson > Jrue
Bridges > White
OG < Brown
Randle < Tatum
Mitch < KP
Knicks’ bench > Celtics bench
Thibs = Mazzulla
Rose > Stevens

Stevens has done a hell of a lot better job than Rose has done.

Stevens inherited the cushiest job in the league thanks to Ainge.

Rose turned the Knicks from a bottom feeder to a legit contender.

Levels.

[KingofTheClay]

I like the tiers.. my take

Tier 1: Tatum, Brunson

Tier 2: Jaylen Brown

Tier 3: Jrue, White, Mikal, OG

Tier 4: Randle

Tier 5: Porzingis, Horford, Prichard, Hart, DDV, Mitch


For the Knicks the issue is that Randle can range himself to Tier 2 (during the regular season) to Tier 6 (Disgruntled).
But they are deeper, to (on paper) compete with Boston, they'd need Randle or his replacement to join Tier 2

My Take

Tier 1: Tatum

Tier 2: Jaylen Brown, Brunson

Tier 3: Jrue, White, Mikal, OG, Porzingis, Randle

Tier 4: Hart, DDV, Horford, Ihart , Mitch

Tier 5: , Prichard

Fixed it for you mate.

The sheer hubris of the green teamers to edit others’ valid posts and poison the well of discourse.


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[Sweet Serenity]

Brunson takes a whopping 27 shots a game in the playoffs & all of a sudden he’s better than Tatum

Brunson had a better season than Tatum.

Brunson shooting 27 times had similar efficiency as Tatum shooting 20 times.

Tatum ain’t better than him.

One good season & now he’s better than Tatum ? lol

Do a poll on the GB & ask who you would rather have between the two.

[Sweet Serenity]

My Take

Tier 1: Tatum

Tier 2: Jaylen Brown, Brunson

Tier 3: Jrue, White, Mikal, OG, Porzingis, Randle

Tier 4: Hart, DDV, Horford, Ihart , Mitch

Tier 5: , Prichard

Fixed it for you mate.

The sheer hubris of the green teamers to edit others’ valid posts and poison the well of discourse.


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Are you finally going to admit you’re not actually a Celtics fan ?

[bronxknicksfan1]

Brunson takes a whopping 27 shots a game in the playoffs & all of a sudden he’s better than Tatum

Brunson had a better season than Tatum.

Brunson shooting 27 times had similar efficiency as Tatum shooting 20 times.

Tatum ain’t better than him.

One good season & now he’s better than Tatum ? lol

Do a poll on the GB & ask who you would rather have between the two.

I’ve stated in this thread that Tatum is the more talented player. There’s no debate about that.

He just isn’t better than Brunson.

[omerome]

Brunson takes a whopping 27 shots a game in the playoffs & all of a sudden he’s better than Tatum

Brunson had a better season than Tatum.

Brunson shooting 27 times had similar efficiency as Tatum shooting 20 times.

Tatum ain’t better than him.

One good season & now he’s better than Tatum ? lol

Do a poll on the GB & ask who you would rather have between the two.

This isn't a lifetime achievement award because you would be right if it were. But Brunson, last year, can be argued was playing better than Tatum.

[KingofTheClay]

Brunson had a better season than Tatum.

Brunson shooting 27 times had similar efficiency as Tatum shooting 20 times.

Tatum ain’t better than him.

One good season & now he’s better than Tatum ? lol

Do a poll on the GB & ask who you would rather have between the two.

I’ve stated in this thread that Tatum is the more talented player. There’s no debate about that.

He just isn’t better than Brunson.

I think Brunsons more talented. He’s an insanely gifted scorer.

I have Brunson above Tatum. If you need a first option bonafide scorer, you pick Brunson everytime. If you have multiple great scorers, you take Tatum for the versatility.

If you have 4 other top 40 players you can pick a whole lot of players, it probably doesn’t matter.


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[rickxdel]

Some of y'all still haven't learned that Brunson is that guy , he IS, in fact, a superstar

Look at how he led a depleted Knicks team (no Randle and Robinson half the year) to a 50 win season

There's a reason he finished as a top 5 mvp candidate and how many considered him snubbed from All-NBA first team

Or just look at his track record of playoff performances, he was pivotal to Dallas making the WCF, multiple 40pt games leading Knicks in ultra competitive series against the Cavs/Heat and Sixers/Pacers (not so competitive vs Cavs), he steps up when it matters most

By my account I did not see any 'superstar' performance out of Boston on their road to the chip - but they still got it done and that's all that matters

Knicks now have a superstar, an all star caliber player(Randle), and several elite role players (OG, Mikal, Hart etc) and I like our chances

[mattg]

If the Knicks either just bench Randle and play him zero mins or trade him for literally anything to get him off the roster they are contenders. If he is still on the team and playing big minutes they are a 2nd round exit. Honestly it's that simple for them.

sure, just bench an all nba player.

or even better just dump an all nba player on a good contract for no reason.

those takes hahahahahaha

Randle is a loser player whose style is a detriment to others and what he brings to the table is not needed with what NYK has now. Total trap player. If you guys keep him and start him let's quote this when the Knicks lose in the 2nd round next year. They jsut need to figure out how to keep Hartenstein and they are contenders like I said. If they can trade Randle for even a solid 8th man, they are golden (or just dump him and maybe recoup future draft equity).

[web123888]

Not sure, maybe. They don’t have the usual Tier 1 superstar generally needed so would bet on other teams before them but they have a pretty stacked overall team.

Would still guess Nuggets, Mavs, Thunder, Bucks, Celtics are ahead of them.

Brunson is as much of a superstar as anyone whose surname doesn't end with a ć

Not Giannis, SGA or Embiid.

He’s probably as good as the rest.

[DaGawd]

Not sure, maybe. They don’t have the usual Tier 1 superstar generally needed so would bet on other teams before them but they have a pretty stacked overall team.

Would still guess Nuggets, Mavs, Thunder, Bucks, Celtics are ahead of them.

Brunson is as much of a superstar as anyone whose surname doesn't end with a ć

Not Giannis, SGA or Embiid.

He’s probably as good as the rest.

coming 5th in mvp voting puts him firmly in that tier with them imo

[lessthanjake]

If the Knicks can keep Hartenstein, they feel like potentially top-tier contenders to me.

At that point, you’ve got a top 5 offensive engine in the league, surrounded by guys that can shoot, put the ball on the floor, and pass, as well as a competent secondary star offensively so the offense doesn’t die when the superstar is on the bench. Add to that in-built chemistry and you have a potentially fantastic offense IMO. Meanwhile, on the defensive end, you’d have consistent rim protection and rebounding, along with multiple elite wing defenders, and all coached by an amazing defensive coach. It’s potentially great IMO.

That said, there’s a lot of potential pitfalls. The center position starts to get a bit thin if they lose Hartenstein. We can’t be sure Brunson will keep ascending and it’s possible last year was actually his high water mark. Randle is a bit inconsistent year to year. Some of the key guys are injury-prone. So there’s a lot that could make it less good than its potential. But I do think there’s potential for them to be a top-tier title contender.

[Moose]

If the Knicks either just bench Randle and play him zero mins or trade him for literally anything to get him off the roster they are contenders. If he is still on the team and playing big minutes they are a 2nd round exit. Honestly it's that simple for them.

sure, just bench an all nba player.

or even better just dump an all nba player on a good contract for no reason.

those takes hahahahahaha

Randle is a loser player whose style is a detriment to others and what he brings to the table is not needed with what NYK has now. Total trap player. If you guys keep him and start him let's quote this when the Knicks lose in the 2nd round next year. They jsut need to figure out how to keep Hartenstein and they are contenders like I said. If they can trade Randle for even a solid 8th man, they are golden (or just dump him and maybe recoup future draft equity).

It's tough to make the second round in this league, so this isn't the statement you think it is.

I am critical of Randle pretty often and have wanted to trade him multiple times.

But last season, Randle was playing winning basketball.

Maybe he sucks again in the playoffs, but I don't know if I would label him a loser player at this point.

The Knicks needed him last season. And they will need him this season too.

[mattg]

It's tough to make the second round in this league, so this isn't the statement you think it is.

I am critical of Randle pretty often and have wanted to trade him multiple times.

But last season, Randle was playing winning basketball.

Maybe he sucks again in the playoffs, but I don't know if I would label him a loser player at this point.

The Knicks needed him last season. And they will need him this season too.

I mean yes it is. I think the Knicks sans Randle are legit contenders. With him I think they are 2nd round ceiling. Pretty drastic difference.

And you don't seem to realize that you have fallen for the trap of Julius Randle. He suckers you in "playing winning basketball" and then he'll turn around and have inexplicable stretches where the only valid description for him would be "allergic to winning". This has been his MO his entire playing career. He literally had his best season ever then followed it up with an all time horrific season for a high usage player.

Even in his best years he's a below average scorer. He's not a defender. He provides rebounding and "playmaking" along with his super mediocre scoring, but he is a total ball stopper who kills ball movement so you're never going to convince me of his assists being super high value compared to how the ball moves without him out there.

[DimesandKnicks]

Is Precious a feee agent or something? The way all these mock line ups are replacing the back up PF with draft picks is disrespectful

[Knicks218]

My Take

Tier 1: Brunson

Tier 2: Jaylen Brown, Tatum

Tier 3: Jrue, White, Mikal, OG, Porzingis, Randle

Tier 4: Hart, DDV, Horford, Ihart , Mitch

Tier 5: , Prichard

Fixed it for you mate.

Dude post your own views instead of messing with mine...it's childish.

You got it right bro. Go NYK!

[Sweet Serenity]

My Take

Tier 1: Brunson

Tier 2: Jaylen Brown, Tatum

Tier 3: Jrue, White, Mikal, OG, Porzingis, Randle

Tier 4: Hart, DDV, Horford, Ihart , Mitch

Tier 5: , Prichard

Fixed it for you mate.

Dude post your own views instead of messing with mine...it's childish.

Yeah & your views are trash so I had to fix it for you.

[bronxknicksfan1]

It's tough to make the second round in this league, so this isn't the statement you think it is.

I am critical of Randle pretty often and have wanted to trade him multiple times.

But last season, Randle was playing winning basketball.

Maybe he sucks again in the playoffs, but I don't know if I would label him a loser player at this point.

The Knicks needed him last season. And they will need him this season too.

I mean yes it is. I think the Knicks sans Randle are legit contenders. With him I think they are 2nd round ceiling. Pretty drastic difference.

And you don't seem to realize that you have fallen for the trap of Julius Randle. He suckers you in "playing winning basketball" and then he'll turn around and have inexplicable stretches where the only valid description for him would be "allergic to winning". This has been his MO his entire playing career. He literally had his best season ever then followed it up with an all time horrific season for a high usage player.

Even in his best years he's a below average scorer. He's not a defender. He provides rebounding and "playmaking" along with his super mediocre scoring, but he is a total ball stopper who kills ball movement so you're never going to convince me of his assists being super high value compared to how the ball moves without him out there.

That season was an anomaly because the lack of a PG on the team. After that one bad season, he had 2 All-Star selections with Brunson running the show.

He looked amazing in January after the trade and was on the upward trend before going down with that shoulder injury. The team is better with Randle playing and he isn't going to be relied as much with all the depth we have.