Haynes: Giannis, Bucks Meeting Next Week to Discuss the Direction of the Team

[NotAKnicksFan]

As I said on the first page of this thread.

I'm just putting 1 and 1 together.

Giannis leaked out that he only wants Eastern teams, and the Nets and Raptors got mentioned.
Because Giannis wants to live in New York city or state. He has strong interests in that area off court and socially.


Knicks will offer Towns and Anunoby for Giannis and Connaughton or filler. Maybe pick swaps also.
Giannis will demand to go there.

When did Giannis say he wants to live in New York?

I have seen him say a state that offers no tax income tax intrigues him. Which is why San Antoino, Houston, and Dallas lead in odds to acquire Giannis.

These odds are from May 13th.

First regular-season minute played to be for which NBA team?

Bucks: -145 (bet $10 to win $16.90 total)
Spurs: +400 (bet $10 to win $50 total)
Rockets: +700 (bet $10 to win $80 total)
Mavericks: +1200 (bet $10 to win $130 total)
Heat: +3000 (bet $10 to win $310 total)
Lakers: +3000 (bet $10 to win $310 total)

It's on social media. Never a direct quote but insinuation that Giannis aims to be at New York vicinity such as Toronto, New Jersey and New York city and preference to stay East.

If you say new york vicinity and mention toronto but not boston is hilarious

[Raps in 4]

I still don't see how anyone beats the Lakers offer of Reaves + Knecht.

[magee]

I still don't see how anyone beats the Lakers offer of Reaves + Knecht.

The Lakers might have to cave in and throw a second round pick in to make it happen. Just one.

[nzahir]

I still don't see how anyone beats the Lakers offer of Reaves + Knecht.

I mean I would love Giannis, but don't Hou and SA have a ton of picks and young assets?

OKC also has a ton of 1sts and young guys. But if they win it all, may not be worth experimenting too much

We could offer Reaves, Knecht, Rui, 2031 1st, swaps, and contracts. I don't see what the Bucks do with this team, need a 3rd team

[RRyder823]

just curious - it seems like the bucks fans here are saying they would like a superstar back for giannis if he asks to leave, but that has me confused. even if you get a superstar in return, unless that guy is sga or joker isn't it still a downgrade? and even if you get a superstar in return, is there a path to contend? again i dont want to dump on the team too much and i apologize if it comes across that way but to me it just feels like everyone from the championship winning team has either aged out or been traded already and what's left is not that competitive other than giannis himself.

to reiterate - i very much want giannis to stay in MIL. but in the hypothetical where he leaves, i think MIL ideally does a factory reset, loads up on picks and young players, and becomes competitive again that way. its very hard for me to see a path back to being a contender just with a giannis for single superstar (or even 2 guys) trade.

i guess i'm saying this because i've seen a lot of MIL fans in this thread saying they want the trading team's best pieces (current players) in a trade. i get that from a value perspective. But I think the path that gets MIL back into contention the fastest would be to trade him for young players and a crap ton of draft picks, not established players who will probably age out in the ~5 years a rebuild would take.

tl;dr - if giannis leaves, wouldnt you want to have the team be bad to be better again later? i think we've seen a ton of evidence that rebuilding while staying middle of the road competitive doesnt really work unless you are the spurs and win the lottery every time its convenient xD.

Sure.... If they had control of their own picks.... But they dont

So what youre selling is to be bad for the chance to be a play in team in 4 years.... Possibly

Is it a wonder they aren't just gonna ship out the best player in franchise history because fans of other teams want them to?





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[RRyder823]

Giannis for Barnes plus some more youth and picks would make a decent trade. Milwaukee would get young and Giannis would get to stay in the east

In what world is that a decent trade for Giannis?

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[RRyder823]

As I said on the first page of this thread.

I'm just putting 1 and 1 together.

Giannis leaked out that he only wants Eastern teams, and the Nets and Raptors got mentioned.
Because Giannis wants to live in New York city or state. He has strong interests in that area off court and socially.


Knicks will offer Towns and Anunoby for Giannis and Connaughton or filler. Maybe pick swaps also.
Giannis will demand to go there.

When did Giannis say he wants to live in New York?

I read that a state that offers no tax income tax intrigues him. Which is why San Antoino, Houston, and Dallas lead in odds to acquire Giannis.

These odds are from May 13th.

First regular-season minute played to be for which NBA team?

Bucks: -145 (bet $10 to win $16.90 total)
Spurs: +400 (bet $10 to win $50 total)
Rockets: +700 (bet $10 to win $80 total)
Mavericks: +1200 (bet $10 to win $130 total)
Heat: +3000 (bet $10 to win $310 total)
Lakers: +3000 (bet $10 to win $310 total)

He didn't. People have become very comfortable just making things up and presenting it like it true

Edit: I just saw his claim that he saw it on "Social Media"..... Well I guess that shuts me up. (Honestly its amazing people can say something like that)


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[morosis]

Sure.... If they had control of their own picks.... But they dont

So what youre selling is to be bad for the chance to be a play in team in 4 years.... Possibly

Is it a wonder they aren't just gonna ship out the best player in franchise history because fans of other teams want them to?

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no, not surprising. but i guess the question still remains: if giannis asks out, do you really want win now pieces back? the bucks wouldnt improve in the short term, and would likely end up in the 40-50 win range, which is treadmill team territory. to me that feels like worst case scenario because you neither win with your guy (giannis) nor start stockpiling talent for the next potentially really good team.

i understand they dont have control over their own picks, so its not like bottoming out in the short term really helps from a draft pick perspective. but bottoming out is also a chance to reset the cap sheet, evaluate young high risk/high reward guys, do coaching/front office restructuring if you want, and gear up for another run. its not "just" about picks. but i think id still rather trade him for a bunch of other teams' first rounders, if i had to trade him at all. especially if i can get first rounders from teams other than the one giannis goes to.

idk. although it would be a more entertaining product on the floor if they get win-now pieces back, i think it potentially lengthens the time between any potential giannis trade and the next highly competitive team, and probably costs a lot more in cap/tax terms, right?

[RRyder823]

Sure.... If they had control of their own picks.... But they dont

So what youre selling is to be bad for the chance to be a play in team in 4 years.... Possibly

Is it a wonder they aren't just gonna ship out the best player in franchise history because fans of other teams want them to?

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no, not surprising. but i guess the question still remains: if giannis asks out, do you really want win now pieces back? the bucks wouldnt improve in the short term, and would likely end up in the 40-50 win range, which is treadmill team territory. to me that feels like worst case scenario because you neither win with your guy (giannis) nor start stockpiling talent for the next potentially really good team.

i understand they dont have control over their own picks, so its not like bottoming out in the short term really helps from a draft pick perspective. but bottoming out is also a chance to reset the cap sheet, evaluate young high risk/high reward guys, do coaching/front office restructuring if you want, and gear up for another run. its not "just" about picks. but i think id still rather trade him for a bunch of other teams' first rounders, if i had to trade him at all. especially if i can get first rounders from teams other than the one giannis goes to.

idk. although it would be a more entertaining product on the floor if they get win-now pieces back, i think it potentially lengthens the time between any potential giannis trade and the next highly competitive team, and probably costs a lot more in cap/tax terms, right?

Actually yes for 2 reasons but with a caveat. They'll need some win now pieces that are young

1: As pointed out losing does zero good if Giannis asks out

2: On top of the picks they'd also get in a trade the players they'd recieve also have to be capable or even likely of fetching good pick returns in the future

It's not an either or if Giannis asks out. They'd be receiving a collection of picks AND players to flip in the future.



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[morosis]

Actually yes for 2 reasons but with a caveat. They'll need some win now pieces that are young

1: As pointed out losing does zero good if Giannis asks out

2: On top of the picks they'd also get in a trade the players they'd recieve also have to be capable or even likely of fetching good pick returns in the future

It's not an either or if Giannis asks out. They'd be receiving a collection of picks AND players to flip in the future.

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ah well in that case (your point #2 above) its just getting picks with a layover in the middle. so basically breaking up the complexity of a potential giannis trade into 2 or 3 steps. the endpoint would be the same, basically to turn over the entire roster, not trying to compete. if thats the case, i do think clearing cap is probably the next highest priority besides picks/early career guys, and thats more difficult if you get win now pieces back. if the guys coming back have to match giannis salary, have surplus value when comparing production to contract, and also not be expiring in the next 1-2 years, thats a tough set of requirements. the only way they would be likely to fetch a good pick in return is if they are good value relative to what they are being paid, without the power to dictate the terms of their re-up, and if that re-up isnt arriving shortly. idk how many guys like that there even are tbh.

i think its just way easier to make a trade happen if they trade for a bloated expiring or two for a guy who wont play, and a zillion picks from a variety of teams. which takes us back to more of the bottoming out path.

idk. i'm not a cap guy. i could be totally wrong.

[RRyder823]

Actually yes for 2 reasons but with a caveat. They'll need some win now pieces that are young

1: As pointed out losing does zero good if Giannis asks out

2: On top of the picks they'd also get in a trade the players they'd recieve also have to be capable or even likely of fetching good pick returns in the future

It's not an either or if Giannis asks out. They'd be receiving a collection of picks AND players to flip in the future.

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ah well in that case (your point #2 above) its just getting picks with a layover in the middle. so basically breaking up the complexity of a potential giannis trade into 2 or 3 steps. the endpoint would be the same, basically to turn over the entire roster, not trying to compete. if thats the case, i do think clearing cap is probably the next highest priority besides picks/early career guys, and thats more difficult if you get win now pieces back. if the guys coming back have to match giannis salary, have surplus value when comparing production to contract, and also not be expiring in the next 1-2 years, thats a tough set of requirements. the only way they would be likely to fetch a good pick in return is if they are good value relative to what they are being paid, without the power to dictate the terms of their re-up, and if that re-up isnt arriving shortly. idk how many guys like that there even are tbh.

i think its just way easier to make a trade happen if they trade for a bloated expiring or two for a guy who wont play, and a zillion picks from a variety of teams. which takes us back to more of the bottoming out path.

idk. i'm not a cap guy. i could be totally wrong.

I mean obviously that is gonna be easier.

This is Giannis though. It's all those picks you just mentioned plus good young players to match the salary (and as such those players can either stick around or be traded later)

Why would they prefer a bloated expiring with lots of picks versus good young players with lots of picks?



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[morosis]

I mean obviously that is gonna be easier.

This is Giannis though. It's all those picks you just mentioned plus good young players to match the salary (and as such those players can either stick around or be traded later.

Why would they prefer a bloated expiring with lots of picks versus good young players with lots of picks?

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in my mind if you take a bloated contract off of a team that is trying to contend now, youre doing them a favor, so you can try to get extra collateral in terms of picks or rookie scale guys. you need to match salary, so something needs to eat up all those dollars. if youre fine just waiting for the bloated contract to expire while you set up a window a few years down the line, you clear cap naturally in a window where youre not trying to contend, while you see what you have with rookie scale guys and do all your scouting and draft maneuvering.

i guess an easier way to say it is that if youre going to rebuild for a different window, i'd think it makes more sense to rip the bandaid off as soon as possible and get started as opposed to having win-now kinds of guys (even if they are good and young) who you would feel like you need to put some kind of team around. and heaven forbid one of those guys has an injury, they might not even work for a long term goal down the line. draft picks cant get injured, and a guy who youre only waiting to expire doesnt lose value if that happens, so it feels . . . safer? idk what the word is.

lastly, i doubt there are that many good, young players on value contracts big enough to help match giannis salary, that you also want, that also happen to be on teams willing to give them up, whose teams also would want to be involved in a trade. so involving players like that seems like it would restrict your trade partners more than searching for a bloated expiring would, and i cant help but feel like giannis himself and where he wants to go is going to be a set of restrictions already.

just as an example, id have to imagine that if you took PG13 off the sixers hands, you could get picks just for absorbing that contract, not even getting the part of the value that giannis himself would bring. so the overall haul for doing what you wanted to do anyway, contend a few years down the line, is kind of artificially materially bigger.

all conjecture. but it makes sense in my head. lol.

[RRyder823]

I mean obviously that is gonna be easier.

This is Giannis though. It's all those picks you just mentioned plus good young players to match the salary (and as such those players can either stick around or be traded later.

Why would they prefer a bloated expiring with lots of picks versus good young players with lots of picks?

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in my mind if you take a bloated contract off of a team that is trying to contend now, youre doing them a favor, so you can try to get extra collateral in terms of picks or rookie scale guys. you need to match salary, so something needs to eat up all those dollars. if youre fine just waiting for the bloated contract to expire while you set up a window a few years down the line, you clear cap naturally in a window where youre not trying to contend, while you see what you have with rookie scale guys and do all your scouting and draft maneuvering.

i guess an easier way to say it is that if youre going to rebuild for a different window, i'd think it makes more sense to rip the bandaid off as soon as possible and get started as opposed to having win-now kinds of guys (even if they are good and young) who you would feel like you need to put some kind of team around. and heaven forbid one of those guys has an injury, they might not even work for a long term goal down the line. draft picks cant get injured, and a guy who youre only waiting to expire doesnt lose value if that happens, so it feels . . . safer? idk what the word is.

lastly, i doubt there are that many good, young players on value contracts big enough to help match giannis salary, that you also want, that also happen to be on teams willing to give them up, whose teams also would want to be involved in a trade. so involving players like that seems like it would restrict your trade partners more than searching for a bloated expiring would, and i cant help but feel like giannis himself and where he wants to go is going to be a set of restrictions already.

just as an example, id have to imagine that if you took PG13 off the sixers hands, you could get picks just for absorbing that contract, not even getting the part of the value that giannis himself would bring. so the overall haul for doing what you wanted to do anyway, contend a few years down the line, is kind of artificially materially bigger.

all conjecture. but it makes sense in my head. lol.

Normally correct and something I think most would agree with.

This is Giannis we're talking about though. They'll get both "if" he were to request a trade.

But he hasn't and outside of people's hopes and dreams there isnt actually any report that points to it being imminent so its all hypothetical



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[knicksfan974]

I still don't see how anyone beats the Lakers offer of Reaves + Knecht.

I mean I would love Giannis, but don't Hou and SA have a ton of picks and young assets?

OKC also has a ton of 1sts and young guys. But if they win it all, may not be worth experimenting too much

We could offer Reaves, Knecht, Rui, 2031 1st, swaps, and contracts. I don't see what the Bucks do with this team, need a 3rd team

Say Giannis wants the Knicks. The Lakers package to the Bucks, Giannis to the Knicks and Towns + OG to the Lakers.

[JRoy]

I still don't see how anyone beats the Lakers offer of Reaves + Knecht.

Gotta make one more call just to be sure.

[Saints14]

When did Giannis say he wants to live in New York?

I have seen him say a state that offers no tax income tax intrigues him. Which is why San Antoino, Houston, and Dallas lead in odds to acquire Giannis.

These odds are from May 13th.

First regular-season minute played to be for which NBA team?

Bucks: -145 (bet $10 to win $16.90 total)
Spurs: +400 (bet $10 to win $50 total)
Rockets: +700 (bet $10 to win $80 total)
Mavericks: +1200 (bet $10 to win $130 total)
Heat: +3000 (bet $10 to win $310 total)
Lakers: +3000 (bet $10 to win $310 total)

It's on social media. Never a direct quote but insinuation that Giannis aims to be at New York vicinity such as Toronto, New Jersey and New York city and preference to stay East.

If you say new york vicinity and mention toronto but not boston is hilarious

Sounds like he wants to team up with Josh Allen in Buffalo

[bbms]

I'm in the minority, but I think the Bucks should trade him while he has two years left on his contract regardless of whether he wants stay. The only viable alternative is to trade that 2031 1st to dump Dame for expiring deals and hope to make a brand new team in the summer of 2026 with cap space.

can they trade that 2031 1st though? isn't it frozen due 2nd apron?

[KGtabake]

Thing is they can just trade him elsewhere even if he threatens he's not gonna re-sign. There's enough teams out there where he will have to "settle" rather than go where he wants similar to what happened with Lillard. Bucks won't get played into taking a bad deal.

KAT+Bridges isn't a bad deal.
PS. I don't think any team will trade for him if he doesn't want to re-sign.

Sure it's a bad deal.
Bridges probably never makes an All-Star team and KAT needs to be motivated anytime he's on the court.

It isn't a bad deal.
Bridges is on a great contract and he can be flipped for even more value later on.
KAT is an All NBA player who can also be flipped elsewhere and bring back picks and value.

[RRyder823]

I'm in the minority, but I think the Bucks should trade him while he has two years left on his contract regardless of whether he wants stay. The only viable alternative is to trade that 2031 1st to dump Dame for expiring deals and hope to make a brand new team in the summer of 2026 with cap space.

can they trade that 2031 1st though? isn't it frozen due 2nd apron?

The Bucks got under the 2nd Apron when they traded Middleton. It was like the entire reason they traded him

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[HMFFL]

The Pacers and Cavs need to pursue Giannis. While he can be the missing piece for every team, he can make the Cavs, and Pacers legit Champions.

Hali amd Giannis

Giannis with Mobley works