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Re: Rookie Discussion Thread 

Post#441 » by wablty » Sun Mar 6, 2016 12:51 pm

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And the crazy part is that he was one of the least hyped #1 picks in a while. I (including many, many others) thought at his best he would be a better version of Al Horford which is still really solid in and of itself.

Just goes to show you that we really don't know as much as we think we do

Damn straight. I almost hate the TWolves now because I'm jealous that they have Towns, Wiggins and Lavine.

I would put Zach LaVine below Ricky Rubio, Ricky is easily our second best player behind Towns. The dude is a horrible shooter, but he is elite at every other aspect of the game.

I am somewhat iffy on Zach though. If we can hire someone like Tom Thibodeau to help him defensively, the dude could potentially become a monster, like top fifteen in the league at least good. If he does not get someone like Coach Thibodeau, I am really, really concerned with his long-term defense; he just needs the right guy to guide him in the right direction. He is really struggling on that end.

That aside, I understood the sentiment of the post, haha. It has been eleven brutal years, but things are finally falling into place; once Sam Mitchell goes, we are absolutely set.


A huge part of his defensive problems (and the same goes for Wiggins) is their bodies. They're both fantastic athletes, but they need to add muscle mass and strength. I think they'll be fine in the long run though. Since LaVine started getting big minutes again (the last 18 games), he's averaging 17, 3 and 3 while shooting better than 50% and 42% from 3. He's already looking like a solid offensive player (barring the occasional chuck), has huge offensive upside and if he can get to be just a decent defender, he'll be a really nice piece of the puzzle. I've never got the impression that LaVine didn't care about defense- Just that he was lost or often bullied.

I do agree that Rubio is the 2nd best player on the team right now until Wiggins and LaVine can physically develop some.
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Re: Rookie Discussion Thread 

Post#442 » by Klomp » Sun Mar 6, 2016 3:17 pm

Ridiculous

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Re: Rookie Discussion Thread 

Post#443 » by JellosJigglin » Sun Mar 6, 2016 5:38 pm

Randle's improved range/jumpshot on display. He's leading all sophomores in double-doubles and only behind KAT among rookies.

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Re: Rookie Discussion Thread 

Post#444 » by Domejandro » Sun Mar 6, 2016 6:43 pm

Klomp wrote:Ridiculous

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Man, Karl-Anthony Towns is going to be better than Kevin Garnett. He is just unbelievable.
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Re: Rookie Discussion Thread 

Post#445 » by Piecake » Sun Mar 6, 2016 6:47 pm

JellosJigglin wrote:Randle's improved range/jumpshot on display. He's leading all sophomores in double-doubles and only behind KAT among rookies.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLVtgzljVtk[/youtube]


Has he become a more efficient scorer recently? I'm curious because I just looked at his stats, and his scoring efficiency for the entire year is putrid.
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Re: Rookie Discussion Thread 

Post#446 » by Westbreezy » Sun Mar 6, 2016 8:29 pm

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JellosJigglin wrote:Randle's improved range/jumpshot on display. He's leading all sophomores in double-doubles and only behind KAT among rookies.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLVtgzljVtk[/youtube]


Has he become a more efficient scorer recently? I'm curious because I just looked at his stats, and his scoring efficiency for the entire year is putrid.


Oh he has no jump shot whatsoever. Its very rare when he's hitting shots outside of the paint. Even in the paint, its difficult for him to finish because of his left-hand dependance so it forces him to put up some weird looking shots. He really has to work hard on his shot this offseason. Despite this though, his rebounding is much better than any of us expected. I believe he's #1 in total rebounds amongst PFs and that's with him coming off the bench for some games and having his minuted jerked around by Byron.
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Re: Rookie Discussion Thread 

Post#447 » by Slava » Sun Mar 6, 2016 11:01 pm

Marcelo Huertas making a late push for rookie of the year.
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Re: Rookie Discussion Thread 

Post#448 » by Klomp » Sun Mar 6, 2016 11:02 pm

Klomp wrote:Ridiculous

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Speaking of Kevin Garnett, he never put up these numbers in the same season until 2004-05. Yeah that's right, the year AFTER he was the league's MVP. (he was close, but always just off on one of the percentages)
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Re: Rookie Discussion Thread 

Post#449 » by Kabookalu » Sun Mar 6, 2016 11:26 pm

Devin Booker is niiiice.
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Post#450 » by Klomp » Sun Mar 6, 2016 11:52 pm

#GoPokes

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Re: Rookie Discussion Thread 

Post#451 » by Slava » Mon Mar 7, 2016 12:22 am

Too bad he missed the dunk contest, otherwise it would have been even more awesome.
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Post#452 » by moonpie » Mon Mar 7, 2016 12:34 am

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Post#453 » by saintEscaton » Mon Mar 7, 2016 12:39 am

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Re: Rookie Discussion Thread 

Post#454 » by Slava » Mon Mar 7, 2016 12:46 am

Each time I watch Booker and Turner play I keep wondering how big of a reach the Kings selecting Cauley Stein at 5 was. Even Kaminsky at 9 seems like a reach now.
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Re: Rookie Discussion Thread 

Post#455 » by HartfordWhalers » Mon Mar 7, 2016 12:58 am

Slava wrote:Each time I watch Booker and Turner play I keep wondering how big of a reach the Kings selecting Cauley Stein at 5 was. Even Kaminsky at 9 seems like a reach now.


Kaminsky was a reach at the time imo.
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Re: Rookie Discussion Thread 

Post#456 » by Domejandro » Mon Mar 7, 2016 2:00 am

Man, I know I am having recency bias, but this could wind up being the greatest draft class of all-time; the amount of talent is unreal. Beating out 2003 (just sheer star power) and 1984 (literally everything) is difficult, but this Draft has a legitimate chance of doing it.
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Post#457 » by Piecake » Mon Mar 7, 2016 2:55 am

Domejandro wrote:Man, I know I am having recency bias, but this could wind up being the greatest draft class of all-time; the amount of talent is unreal. Beating out 2003 (just sheer star power) and 1984 (literally everything) is difficult, but this Draft has a legitimate chance of doing it.


Who do you think are potential future hall of famers from this class?
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Post#458 » by JellosJigglin » Mon Mar 7, 2016 3:51 am

Westbreezy wrote:
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JellosJigglin wrote:Randle's improved range/jumpshot on display. He's leading all sophomores in double-doubles and only behind KAT among rookies.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLVtgzljVtk[/youtube]


Has he become a more efficient scorer recently? I'm curious because I just looked at his stats, and his scoring efficiency for the entire year is putrid.


Oh he has no jump shot whatsoever. Its very rare when he's hitting shots outside of the paint. Even in the paint, its difficult for him to finish because of his left-hand dependance so it forces him to put up some weird looking shots. He really has to work hard on his shot this offseason. Despite this though, his rebounding is much better than any of us expected. I believe he's #1 in total rebounds amongst PFs and that's with him coming off the bench for some games and having his minuted jerked around by Byron.


His jumpshot from preseason to today has come a long way. He does throw up some funky looking attempts at the rim though. I feel like he just rushes it to avoid getting blocked rather than just slowing down and using his body to protect the ball. And still left-hand dominant as you said, which really limits the angles he's able to release the ball from. Still, there's been improvement in his use of the off-hand, even if only slightly. His FG% has been rising every month, even as he's attempting more shots. It's just a matter of him slowing down and not trying to rush everything. Really love his activity on the glass. Very active feet.
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Re: Rookie Discussion Thread 

Post#459 » by Slava » Mon Mar 7, 2016 3:55 am

Domejandro wrote:Man, I know I am having recency bias, but this could wind up being the greatest draft class of all-time; the amount of talent is unreal. Beating out 2003 (just sheer star power) and 1984 (literally everything) is difficult, but this Draft has a legitimate chance of doing it.


You're forgetting 96, which was probably the greatest ever.

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Iverson
Kobe
Ray Allen
Steve Nash

All Stars:

Marbury
Shareef Abdur Rahim
Stojakovic
Jermaine O'neal

Starters:

Camby
Antoine Walker
Big Z
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Re: Rookie Discussion Thread 

Post#460 » by Domejandro » Mon Mar 7, 2016 3:57 am

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Domejandro wrote:Man, I know I am having recency bias, but this could wind up being the greatest draft class of all-time; the amount of talent is unreal. Beating out 2003 (just sheer star power) and 1984 (literally everything) is difficult, but this Draft has a legitimate chance of doing it.


Who do you think are potential future hall of famers from this class?

I feel Karl Anthony-Towns is potentially going to be the greatest big-man in NBA history. I am astonishingly confident about that, and as a Minnesota fan, I have been whipped into chronic pessimism. :lol:

I am going to get some flak, but Jahlil has a great chance of being a super-star in this league. I expect him to be a Hall-of-Fame player.

D'Angelo Russell is going to be a perennial All-Star. I don't know if he will be Hall-of-Fame, but he is in line to be a terrific player.

Given how arrogantly I was pushing Zinger as a future Super-Star during the Draft, I have too much bias to comment, haha. I still stand by my opinion.

I am not a Mario Hezonja guy, but Orlando fans seem happy with him. He is hopefully going to be a solid player for them.

I am skeptical about Willie Cauley-Steins focus, but he could develop into a defensive force.

I like Emmanuel Mudiay, he likely is not going to be a Super-Star, but he is going to turn out absolutely fine.

Stanley Johnson is a stud, he will be a multi-year All-Star.

Frank Kaminsky is going to be a very solid bench player.

Justise "My Parents Can't Spell" Winslow is already a defensive monster. I don't see a future Super-Star, but I see the ultimate NBA glue-guy. He has proved me wrong, he is a winner.

Myles Turner was a great talent I would never have been ballsy enough to select, he ran like he had glass in his shoes, haha. That said, Larry Bird absolutely gushes about him and he seems healthy. He potentially could be a Hall-Of-Fame Player.

Trey Lyles... meh, he should be an alright rotational player. He could be more, but I am not pinning massive expectations on him.

Devon Booker is my miss of the draft, he is a future Super-Star, and hopefully a Hall-Of-Fame player.

Oklahoma City fans are not shy to flaunt the erection they have for Cameron Payne. :lol: He is a Darren Collison type of player to me, which is a good pick at fourteen.

I love Rashad Vaughn, Minnesota bias, I think he is going to be very successful in this league.

Bobby Portis is a beast, he is going to be an All-Star a couple of times.

Rondae Hollis-Jefferson is going to be a good rotational player during his career.

I love Tyus Jones, he is going to be an amazing back-up to Ricky in the next couple of years.

Larry Nance Jr. is actually proving to be a rotational player if he stays healthy.

Jordan Mickey has destroyed the D-League, for what that is worth.

I love Guillermo Hernangómez. I don't know if he translates, but I really hope he finds success.

Norman Powell might be a solid player.

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