2016-17 Rookie Watch thread

[LALifer49]

This draft is looking sooooo weak. Is there still not one rookie from this class at 10 ppg or is murray there after last game?

[Marcus]

There really wasn't supposed to be a day one rookie that impacted this year outside of Ben. Gotta give these kids time to grow into the NBA game.

[Duke4life831]

There really wasn't supposed to be a day one rookie that impacted this year outside of Ben. Gotta give these kids time to grow into the NBA game.

Even with him he was going to struggle defending and scoring not off of dunks. I know you, myself and many others who have been following college and the draft have been predicting this for the past year. It was obvious that this class lacked the superstar talent that previous classes had and the 2-3 guys who did have the potential were far from reaching that potential (Ingram,Brown) or had a lot of flaws that were going to take time (Simmons with his defense and half court scoring).

[Marcus]

There really wasn't supposed to be a day one rookie that impacted this year outside of Ben. Gotta give these kids time to grow into the NBA game.

Even with him he was going to struggle defending and scoring not off of dunks. I know you, myself and many others who have been following college and the draft have been predicting this for the past year. It was obvious that this class lacked the superstar talent that previous classes had and the 2-3 guys who did have the potential were far from reaching that potential (Ingram,Brown) or had a lot of flaws that were going to take time (Simmons with his defense and half court scoring).

Folks just want immediate gratification with these kids. It's usually the ones that have no idea about them outside of their draft position, then they do a quick scouting report scan without ever seeing them in action outside of highlight reels. No research and sky high expectations on kids that had they done any research on at all they would know will need time to gather their NBA legs.

Even as stacked as this next class is going to be there will be an adjustment period and kids will need time to get the hang of the league. I doubt that is afforded to them though by some.

[LALifer49]

There really wasn't supposed to be a day one rookie that impacted this year outside of Ben. Gotta give these kids time to grow into the NBA game.

Even with him he was going to struggle defending and scoring not off of dunks. I know you, myself and many others who have been following college and the draft have been predicting this for the past year. It was obvious that this class lacked the superstar talent that previous classes had and the 2-3 guys who did have the potential were far from reaching that potential (Ingram,Brown) or had a lot of flaws that were going to take time (Simmons with his defense and half court scoring).

Folks just want immediate gratification with these kids. It's usually the ones that have no idea about them outside of their draft position, then they do a quick scouting report scan without ever seeing them in action outside of highlight reels. No research and sky high expectations on kids that had they done any research on at all they would know will need time to gather their NBA legs.

Even as stacked as this next class is going to be there will be an adjustment period and kids will need time to get the hang of the league. I doubt that is afforded to them though by some.

Despite Ingram's less than impressive statistical start, I still like what I see and have high hopes for him in the future. I'm sure plenty of other players from the draft are also flashing solid potential. Still, I can't remember a draft where the stats across the board have been so bad, a grand total of THREE players that have played an ok # of games, one of them who gets pretty much no game time are shooting 50% or better from the field. The draft's leading scorer is sitting at 8.7 ppg, leading rebounder at 4.6, through 14ish games I can't recall the last class where zero rookies put up decent stats, was 13 this bad?

[Marcus]

Even with him he was going to struggle defending and scoring not off of dunks. I know you, myself and many others who have been following college and the draft have been predicting this for the past year. It was obvious that this class lacked the superstar talent that previous classes had and the 2-3 guys who did have the potential were far from reaching that potential (Ingram,Brown) or had a lot of flaws that were going to take time (Simmons with his defense and half court scoring).

Folks just want immediate gratification with these kids. It's usually the ones that have no idea about them outside of their draft position, then they do a quick scouting report scan without ever seeing them in action outside of highlight reels. No research and sky high expectations on kids that had they done any research on at all they would know will need time to gather their NBA legs.

Even as stacked as this next class is going to be there will be an adjustment period and kids will need time to get the hang of the league. I doubt that is afforded to them though by some.

Despite Ingram's less than impressive statistical start, I still like what I see and have high hopes for him in the future. I'm sure plenty of other players from the draft are also flashing solid potential. Still, I can't remember a draft where the stats across the board have been so bad, a grand total of THREE players that have played an ok # of games, one of them who gets pretty much no game time are shooting 50% or better from the field. The draft's leading scorer is sitting at 8.7 ppg, leading rebounder at 4.6, through 14ish games I can't recall the last class where zero rookies put up decent stats, was 13 this bad?

point being that they're rookies. They are going to take time. The key is to take those flashes and think long term. I wouldn't have expected any of these kids to just out right be spectacular right out the gate. But if you're getting good effort from a teenage kid that would otherwise just be starting his basketball season a week or two ago this time last year you gotta take solace in that and see what could be in the future.

Everybody isn't KAT or Lillard or Bron right out the gate, doesn't mean they can't be special down the line.

[Duke4life831]

Even with him he was going to struggle defending and scoring not off of dunks. I know you, myself and many others who have been following college and the draft have been predicting this for the past year. It was obvious that this class lacked the superstar talent that previous classes had and the 2-3 guys who did have the potential were far from reaching that potential (Ingram,Brown) or had a lot of flaws that were going to take time (Simmons with his defense and half court scoring).

Folks just want immediate gratification with these kids. It's usually the ones that have no idea about them outside of their draft position, then they do a quick scouting report scan without ever seeing them in action outside of highlight reels. No research and sky high expectations on kids that had they done any research on at all they would know will need time to gather their NBA legs.

Even as stacked as this next class is going to be there will be an adjustment period and kids will need time to get the hang of the league. I doubt that is afforded to them though by some.

Despite Ingram's less than impressive statistical start, I still like what I see and have high hopes for him in the future. I'm sure plenty of other players from the draft are also flashing solid potential. Still, I can't remember a draft where the stats across the board have been so bad, a grand total of THREE players that have played an ok # of games, one of them who gets pretty much no game time are shooting 50% or better from the field. The draft's leading scorer is sitting at 8.7 ppg, leading rebounder at 4.6, through 14ish games I can't recall the last class where zero rookies put up decent stats, was 13 this bad?

I think Boston has the same feeling about Brown as you do with Ingram. You can see the flashes with those two, I didnt think Brown would be as good as he shown this early. He is still very very raw. Ingram should be a really good two way player pretty soon, its promising how good he is on the defensive end. You know sooner or later his offense is going to come around.

Like Marcus stated above, I think a lot of people who didnt follow these guys in college watched highlight videos and were expecting much different quality players. I still think this is going to go down as just one of the weakest drafts we have seen in quite sometime very similar to the 13 draft. But this draft should be better because you still got the top 3 picks in this draft that should end up being good players (all star caliber), theyre just going to take some time, I think many got a little spoiled with the 15 draft. Giannis looks to be the only guy from that 13 draft that looks like an all star player. I dont see a late all star stud like that from the 16 draft.

[Chuck Everett]

People keep calling Embiid a rookie is really hard because he has literally had two years to get acclimated to how NBA teams work. Not saying he's not a rookie, but he's so much more prepared to play NBA basketball. The only issue any of us had was his health, not his ability.

[Marcus]

People keep calling Embiid a rookie is really hard because he has literally had two years to get acclimated to how NBA teams work. Not saying he's not a rookie, but he's so much more prepared to play NBA basketball. The only issue any of us had was his health, not his ability.

Yeah he wasn't the shooter and didn't have the size he has now. I felt like back in 14 before the injury dude was 3 years in the league away from being in the conversation for best big in the league. Obviously that time table had been altered a bit because he didn't play for 2 years but he's on that pace with the skillet he has.

Those 2 years to work on his game definitely comes into play regarding what we see on the floor now from him. Just speaks to his work ethic because it's not like Bynum developed a jumper while he was sitting out healing.

[Wolfgang630]

People keep calling Embiid a rookie is really hard because he has literally had two years to get acclimated to how NBA teams work. Not saying he's not a rookie, but he's so much more prepared to play NBA basketball. The only issue any of us had was his health, not his ability.

Yep. It's hard to call him a rookie when he's had NBA training and development for the past two years.

[bwgood77]

[Agnostifarian]

People keep calling Embiid a rookie is really hard because he has literally had two years to get acclimated to how NBA teams work. Not saying he's not a rookie, but he's so much more prepared to play NBA basketball. The only issue any of us had was his health, not his ability.

Yeah he wasn't the shooter and didn't have the size he has now. I felt like back in 14 before the injury dude was 3 years in the league away from being in the conversation for best big in the league. Obviously that time table had been altered a bit because he didn't play for 2 years but he's on that pace with the skillet he has.

Those 2 years to work on his game definitely comes into play regarding what we see on the floor now from him. Just speaks to his work ethic because it's not like Bynum developed a jumper while he was sitting out healing.

JoJo is in a class by himself.

[CoreyGallagher]

He wasn't just working on his game and developing for the 2 years that he was injured, he had to go through the process of slowly rehabilitating after each surgery then began clearing hurdles. For instance, he was drafted in June 2014 and didn't begin shooting drills until January 2015, 1 on 1 drills in March 2015, then the set back was announced June 2015 and everything began again.

It was obviously advantageous in other ways, tho.

[HeartBreakKid]

It's not like he's been training the full two years, he's had to rehab for a lot of it.

To be frank, if he played the same year as Wiggins and Parker did, he probably would have won ROY that year regardless.

[Kabookalu]

Says a lot about Embiid's insane learning curve. In college this guy was literally improving every single month. By the start of the year he looked like a promising freshman, and at the end of the season he looked like a polish senior ready to rip the league a new one the moment he stepped onto the court. For most people it takes a lot of trial and error and letting the information sink in before they can apply it in games. With Embiid he sees something once and seems to have a good grasp of it already.

I'm surprised that he's extended his range out to the 3 point line, yet I shouldn't be either.

[DaFan334]

Jamal Murray goes off in the first half of the Nuggets Bulls game for 17pts on 7/9 shooting.

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[bwgood77]

This draft is looking sooooo weak. Is there still not one rookie from this class at 10 ppg or is murray there after last game?

No, but many didn't get much playing time at first, maybe just a few minutes. There are many with good #s, like Saric with 9.9 ppg, 6.2 rpg, 40.9% 3pt shooting.

Murray at 9 ppg, 42.3% 3 pt shooting.

Sabonis at 39.5 % 3pt shooting.

I wouldn't judge rookies after 15 games. You can check daily here. http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/stats/2017/Averages/Qualified/points/All/desc/1/Regular_Season?rookies=

[RRFB]

Jamal Murray has really looked good lately. I can't remember the last time the Nuggets had a guy who could shoot like this. It's impressive how quickly he's recovered his season shooting %'s after starting the year 0/16.

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[TheTrooper]

Dragan Bender is not really productive on O, but I can see him as a legit DPOY candidate in few years.