Would you be more or less impressed if Jordan was 6-2 in the finals?

[GermanFan120]

It doesn't matter what MJ thought or thinks. It matters what an educated person thinks when using logic to solve problems is something that is taught in schools from an early age.
You are literally telling me that you would take 6 As and 2 Cs over 6 As and 2 Bs.
Use your brain. Do you ask Nike whether you should buy their new $300 sneakers or do you buy them only if you like them ?
Jordan is GOAT because of how well he played and because he has 6 rings and 6 FMVPs. 6-0 argument is used by people who can't think for themselves and rely on marketing and ESPN to tell them how to think.
Logical people blame LeBron for 2011 finals loss. Illogical people blame him for 2014 finals loss. There are illogical people who think that he is already the GOAT.

The only advice i'd give you is that silver is better than bronze and it doesn't change even if MJ screamed it from the rooftop.

You are too young to give advice son.

You are either in your 90s or in your teens given how you worship athletes instead of using your brain.

Then your brain failed to give you the right info again. son.

[12footrim]

So you don't think that having experience in the NBA helps you perform in the NBA?

You act like he was playing football or baseball or something. He was in a gym practicing the same shots and moves everyday. Who the hell needs a 4 or 5 year learning curve after 3 years in college when he was already killing people his rookie year. It's just a stupid excuse. The guy even said Dean Smith made him the player he was.

[NZB2323]

So you don't think that having experience in the NBA helps you perform in the NBA?

You act like he was playing football or baseball or something. He was in a gym practicing the same shots and moves everyday. Who the hell needs a 4 or 5 year learning curve after 3 years in college when he was already killing people his rookie year. It's just a stupid excuse. The guy even said Dean Smith made him the player he was.

Then why are NBA players typically better in year 7 as opposed to in year 2?

You also didn't answer my question. If regular season record is so important when you're 23, doesn't it matter when you're 32? Does it matter that Jordan won 21 more games when he was 32?

[12footrim]

So you don't think that having experience in the NBA helps you perform in the NBA?

You act like he was playing football or baseball or something. He was in a gym practicing the same shots and moves everyday. Who the hell needs a 4 or 5 year learning curve after 3 years in college when he was already killing people his rookie year. It's just a stupid excuse. The guy even said Dean Smith made him the player he was.

Then why are NBA players typically better in year 7 as opposed to in year 2?

You also didn't answer my question. If regular season record is so important when you're 23, doesn't it matter when you're 32? Does it matter that Jordan won 21 more games when he was 32?

Because every basketball players is improving until they get to about 25 to 27 years old typically and Peak. It doesn't make a hill of beans if they are in college or Pros.

As far as the other part under .500? If you can't see the difference in even winning more games than you lose and being a number two seed or number one seed whatever man. This was about **** on Lebron for going to the finals at a younger age and that being some stain and acting like Jordan never had failures .

CONTEXT.

Jordan never beat a team as good as that 73 win team either in the finals.

[ice9]

It doesn't matter when you lose, whether it be round 1 or the Finals, as long as you did everything you could with the talent you had. Jordan getting swept by the 86 Celtics isn't worse than LeBron getting swept by the 07 Spurs. If either of the players had adequate talent to win a series, I would expect them to do so. That's why LeBron making it to 7 straight finals when the East is so weak doesn't mean a lot. It's why if GS wins, Durant doesn't get a lot of credit. They did what they were supposed to do with the talent they had. That being said, if you face a superior team, you should at least go down swinging. Just because you are outmatched doesn't excuse poor play.

[afox]

And that's one of my main contentions with the MJ comparisons....Go down swinging you say? MJ never quit or played at some half speed, looking uninterested...James has done this on numerous occasions, and on the biggest stages in the biggest moments...Including last night..GOAT dont quit...smh..

[ice9]

And that's one of my main contentions with the MJ comparisons....Go down swinging you say? MJ never quit or played at some half speed, looking uninterested...James has done this on numerous occasions, and on the biggest stages in the biggest moments...Including last night..GOAT dont quit...smh..

....I agree, which is a reason I have MJ over LeBron regardless of what their finals records are.

[TMU]

Not sure why these things matter so much. To me, the number of finals appearance and finals win-loss percentages matter less than the strength of each and every opponent that a superstar has faced in his entire playoffs career. MJ was 6-0 in NBA finals, but he's beat some great teams (including some great EC teams) to get there. It's not like he beat a bunch of scrubs.

When I think of MJ, the 6-0 NBA finals record isn't the first thing that comes to my mind. To me, he's the GOAT because I think he's the greatest offensive player ever and also a great defensive player with no real flaws in his game, backed with individual statistics and team success.

[mszymko]

Less. As others have stated it was MJ's success in the finals that cements his legacy. However, I would go a layer deeper and point out that Michael would have very very likely won 7 Championships in a row!!!!!!! had the league not stepped in and tried to ban him for a year due to gambling issues, to which MJ said FU I will play baseball.

Lebron fights agains the greatest team of all time, MJ was fighting the entire NBA organization.

[mysticOscar]

, but holding 1987 against Jordan when it was his 2nd full year in the NBA,

This point is always ridiculous, I knew it was coming. 23 is 23 years old. People always try to make these stupid arguments like this or about mileage. Probably 99% of these guys are in the gym working on their game every day from the time they are in grade school and at that age regardless if they are playing for Hall of Fame Dean Smith in college alongside of Worthy, Perkins, Kenny Smith etc or on the Cavs playing for Paul Silas/ Mike Brown.

There isn't a hill of beans difference in what they are or would have been by going early or later. You think Lebron would have been worse at 23 if he went to UNC for 3 or 4 years. Jordan came in and averaged 28ppg in his first season but by his 3rd year that was still some excuse. Dumbest excuses ever. I'm from NC, a lot of Tarholes would say Dean Smith made him better. Jordan even says it. I don't believe it but whatever it would go against your point.

U love using context for Lebron...use context for Jordan.

When Jordan came into the league, players were drafted at 21/22 yo.

When Lebron came, the league were drafting 19yo and the league was full of them.

So in reality...in respective of the league they played in....they were similar.

[2klegend]

If Jordan didn't retired in 94, 95, 99, 00. I can see the Bulls going to the Final 10 straights and winning at least 8 titles in the process. '94 Bulls with peak Pip and Grant took the Knicks to a close series 7-games and the Knicks had hard 7-games with the Rockets. '95 against Magic would be tough but with experience, they pull it off. '99, again Bulls can get to the Final but most likely lose to the Spurs due to core player aging. '00, it's possible but Pacers had a strong team. Either ECF or Final but most likely loss to the Lakers.

So technically, you're talking about a 10-years straight Final appearance and 8 titles. That will make MJ unreachable.

[MistyMountain20]

And that's one of my main contentions with the MJ comparisons....Go down swinging you say? MJ never quit or played at some half speed, looking uninterested...James has done this on numerous occasions, and on the biggest stages in the biggest moments...Including last night..GOAT dont quit...smh..

Jordan literally retired twice before retiring for good.

[Goudelock]

If Jordan didn't retired in 94, 95, 99, 00. I can see the Bulls going to the Final 10 straights and winning at least 8 titles in the process. '94 Bulls with peak Pip and Grant took the Knicks to a close series 7-games and the Knicks had hard 7-games with the Rockets. '95 against Magic would be tough but with experience, they pull it off. '99, again Bulls can get to the Final but most likely lose to the Spurs due to core player aging. '00, it's possible but Pacers had a strong team. Either ECF or Final but most likely loss to the Lakers.

So technically, you're talking about a 10-years straight Final appearance and 8 titles. That will make MJ unreachable.

But are you using a hypothetical in MJ's favor? Because that's not really fair to any other player to say "MJ is untouchable because this should have happened".

[Young_Star11]

Two more trips to the Finals. Slightly more impressed.

[Braggins]

People wouldn't have answered honestly if the poll question was "Are you a complete imbecile, no or yes?", but this is effectively what the actual question is asking.

[JLiv]

People wouldn't talk about a finals record if Jordan's wasn't perfect. Him going 6-0, combined with his overall excellence as a player, made the ring narrative relevant when questioning who the GOAT is. If he takes those 2 finals Ls, it raises his floor but lowers his ceiling in the all time conversation. Nevertheless, more finals appearances is better than less. But if we get to 2040 and no one eclipses Jordan, we'll start to see generational GOATS. 50 years later, idk how much Jordan will be worshipped. I find it kind of hard to relate to the nostalgia, seeing as how I was born in '97

The only thing your comment proves is that marketing works and all sports fans who don't like overly religious people should start believing in religion because they believe in marketing over logic.

Expand...? What was my post supposed to do, end the argument forever? 6-2 > 6-0 in the finals.

[C3H6N6O6]

People wouldn't talk about a finals record if Jordan's wasn't perfect. Him going 6-0, combined with his overall excellence as a player, made the ring narrative relevant when questioning who the GOAT is. If he takes those 2 finals Ls, it raises his floor but lowers his ceiling in the all time conversation. Nevertheless, more finals appearances is better than less. But if we get to 2040 and no one eclipses Jordan, we'll start to see generational GOATS. 50 years later, idk how much Jordan will be worshipped. I find it kind of hard to relate to the nostalgia, seeing as how I was born in '97

The only thing your comment proves is that marketing works and all sports fans who don't like overly religious people should start believing in religion because they believe in marketing over logic.

Expand...? What was my post supposed to do, end the argument forever? 6-2 > 6-0 in the finals.

I think The comment above yours is the best one in this thread. I should have posted that.

"People wouldn't have answered honestly if the poll question was "Are you a complete imbecile, no or yes?", but this is effectively what the actual question is asking."

[RightToCensor]

Depends on how he lost. A Finals record is nothing without context.

[Baski]

6-2 is more impressive but lol at those who can't understand the other choice. What do you expect the Jordanites to say? "Uh oh. Looks like you've used my logic against me. I guess i must admit that 6 for 6 is a silly argument and thus destroy one of the pillars i base my anti-Lebron agenda on"?
Everyone knows 6-2 is better but they're never gonna admit it cos it brings Lebron that much closer to Jordan. You gotta think about how many times you've read something along the lines of "MJ went 6/6. GOATs don't lose in the finals. End of discussion" and then think of the implications of the one who said it admitting that it was a silly argument. It's just easier to defend something you've heard all your life and been saying all the time than to admit it makes no sense.

[Hero]

Be way more impressed if he got bounced in the finals instead of the first round.