Woj: DLo to Minny for Wiggins

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Re: Woj: DLo to Minny for Wiggins 

Post#441 » by GusFring » Fri Feb 7, 2020 12:29 am

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Myers didn't do anything, it's been all West

tell me what good move has he made for the Warriors since West left? just one.


Iggy and a 2024 1st for Wiggy and a 2021 1st / How is that not extracting good value, I'm not madd at that. Why would anyone be, iggy is 35yrs old


okay that 2024 first is completely unprotected, and Iggy is still a + asset, Memphis just turned him into Winslow, so not only did he give Iggy away in a salary dumb to overpay DLo, he gave away that future first to do it

and Wiggins is a complete net negative player, Minny probably needed to include a 1st just to get out of his contract, let alone trade him and a 1st for DLo.

so no, this is not extracting good value AT ALL.


Its so depressing when you factor in iggy being gone for wiggins. You're the only team I still like in the nba other than my terribulls, you guys will still be awesome next year though.
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Re: Woj: DLo to Minny for Wiggins 

Post#442 » by Dupp » Fri Feb 7, 2020 12:33 am

tundraknight wrote::evil: I think Wiggins can have a similar impact with the Warriors that Harrison Barnes did.



16 finals Barnes with way way worse defense sure.
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Re: Woj: DLo to Minny for Wiggins 

Post#443 » by zimpy27 » Fri Feb 7, 2020 12:34 am

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Myers didn't do anything, it's been all West

tell me what good move has he made for the Warriors since West left? just one.


Iggy and a 2024 1st for Wiggy and a 2021 1st / How is that not extracting good value, I'm not madd at that. Why would anyone be, iggy is 35yrs old


okay that 2024 first is completely unprotected, and Iggy is still a + asset, Memphis just turned him into Winslow, so not only did he give Iggy away in a salary dumb to overpay DLo, he gave away that future first to do it

and Wiggins is a complete net negative player, Minny probably needed to include a 1st just to get out of his contract, let alone trade him and a 1st for DLo.

so no, this is not extracting good value AT ALL.


Yeah if Warriors just let KD go they would have Iggy (possibly Winslow), their 2024 1st and they wouldn't have been hard capped, which means they could have resigned guys last off-season, they could have used their MLE, they could have multiple vet mins right now.

Myers is surely picking Wiseman, not ideal but it's safe.
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Re: Woj: DLo to Minny for Wiggins 

Post#444 » by DreamTeam09 » Fri Feb 7, 2020 12:36 am

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Didn't Meyers help bring in iggy, Durant and a few championships or has he just gone insane now?


Myers didn't do anything, it's been all West

tell me what good move has he made for the Warriors since West left? just one.


Ya I used to think Myers got a bad rap but some GS fans, but ya I can't overlook it anymore. The dude is looking flat out horrible.

Just look at the difference between what Memphis has been doing with its assets vs how GS has handled theirs. It's embarrassing. I can't believe how badly all of this was handled.


What exactly was handled badly??? You guys got KD due to a cap spike, won 2 Chips, then KD was leaving regardless. They ended up getting Dlo for a disgruntled FA, they had to extract some kind of value from KD because y'all were over the cap neway with no real way of improving the team. So they got Dlo and sent out a 1st and Iggy to have the space regardless. They then sent out Dlo for a 1st and Wiggins. For a team that was put in a corner, they ended up with a former number 1 pick who's a 20pt scorer and a future 1st.

GS Out
KD - was leaving as a FA regardless, SnT are rare now-a-days too
Iggy - Was old and not worth his salary, shell of his former self
2024 1st

GS In
Wiggins 2021 1st

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Re: Woj: DLo to Minny for Wiggins 

Post#445 » by GreatWhiteStiff » Fri Feb 7, 2020 12:38 am

soxfan2003 wrote:Unless Wiggins has health concerns or DLo could be dumped elsewhere, Warriors won this trade.

DLo putting up stats on a 12-40 team. Warriors haven't been appreciable better in the games that he has played.

Wiggins fits much better with Curry/Klay/Green. They also get a pick that should be top 10 in a good draft.

Curry/Klay/Draymond will certainly NOT be what they were a few years ago when they won 73 games. That ship has sailed. Father time undefeated but that combination can still be good. And Wiggins still has potential with a good environment and a role where he fits to be better than Harrison Barnes. Barnes the better shooter but Wiggins despite not really progressing much still the better athlete.

All that isn't enough to win another championship but Warriors still have a couple of very good cards to play such as their pick this year and after next season as well.

Wolves would have been better off dumping KAT when he was being overhyped as an MVP and dealing Wiggins before they signed him to that extension. I liked Wiggins coming out of the draft but he didn't progress enough to give him that huge deal. Should have trade both Wiggins and Towns years ago.

I am all for tanking for top talent but teams still have to make ruthless decisions with that top talent if you think the league is overrating the player(Towns -- it was a joke to consider a one way player like Towns a legit future MVP) or that the player will have a tough time living up to his next contract(Wiggins).

I was over 99% convinced that the Warriors wanted to dump Russell when they dealt for him. Trade made no sense otherwise.

Ridicule Warriors for overpaying to rid themselves of Iggy but this was a very good move.

Another reason this works out is Wiggins probably readily accepts a reduced role on a playoff team where he is a beneficiary of all of the defense paid to the backcourt.

Warriors have revived their chances with this move. They were going nowhere with 3 guard rotation or Russell coming off the bench.


Why is it such a negative to have d'angelo russel coming off your bench? Seems like a pretty good player to have. Like Lou Williams or something. If it would be a problem, it would be a nice problem I'd think.
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Re: Woj: DLo to Minny for Wiggins 

Post#446 » by whatisacenter » Fri Feb 7, 2020 12:39 am

I like the trade for the Warriors. I hope I get to pound my chest and say I told you so.

Oh, and all the Warriors fans pining for J West should just go root for the Clippers.
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Re: Woj: DLo to Minny for Wiggins 

Post#447 » by DreamTeam09 » Fri Feb 7, 2020 12:40 am

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Iggy and a 2024 1st for Wiggy and a 2021 1st / How is that not extracting good value, I'm not madd at that. Why would anyone be, iggy is 35yrs old


okay that 2024 first is completely unprotected, and Iggy is still a + asset, Memphis just turned him into Winslow, so not only did he give Iggy away in a salary dumb to overpay DLo, he gave away that future first to do it

and Wiggins is a complete net negative player, Minny probably needed to include a 1st just to get out of his contract, let alone trade him and a 1st for DLo.

so no, this is not extracting good value AT ALL.


Yeah if Warriors just let KD go they would have Iggy (possibly Winslow), their 2024 1st and they wouldn't have been hard capped, which means they could have resigned guys last off-season, they could have used their MLE, they could have multiple vet mins right now.

Myers is surely picking Wiseman, not ideal but it's safe.


Iggy is a + asset?? They got winslow and a bunch of scrubs for iggy.

So what you're telling me is that you would rather winslow and 2024 unprotected 1st instead of Wiggins and a 2021 protected 1st??

Still not seeing all the hysteria here
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Re: Woj: DLo to Minny for Wiggins 

Post#448 » by zimpy27 » Fri Feb 7, 2020 12:41 am

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okay that 2024 first is completely unprotected, and Iggy is still a + asset, Memphis just turned him into Winslow, so not only did he give Iggy away in a salary dumb to overpay DLo, he gave away that future first to do it

and Wiggins is a complete net negative player, Minny probably needed to include a 1st just to get out of his contract, let alone trade him and a 1st for DLo.

so no, this is not extracting good value AT ALL.


Yeah if Warriors just let KD go they would have Iggy (possibly Winslow), their 2024 1st and they wouldn't have been hard capped, which means they could have resigned guys last off-season, they could have used their MLE, they could have multiple vet mins right now.

Myers is surely picking Wiseman, not ideal but it's safe.


Iggy is a + asset?? They got winslow and a bunch of scrubs for iggy.

So what you're telling me is that you would rather winslow and 2024 unprotected 1st instead of Wiggins and a 2021 protected 1st??

Still not seeing all the hysteria here


I'm telling you more than that, if you read the full post.
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Re: Woj: DLo to Minny for Wiggins 

Post#449 » by Froob » Fri Feb 7, 2020 12:41 am

It’s sad that after all this effort to achieve this, the Wolves are still a very mediocre team and don’t really have much room to get better unless they nail this draft pick this year.
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Re: Woj: DLo to Minny for Wiggins 

Post#450 » by jason bourne » Fri Feb 7, 2020 12:43 am

I voted and then saw results of the trade. Maybe Rosas decided to pull the trigger because of the 4-way trade and the Nuggets players coming in. On paper, the TWolves do not look bad for a young team. DLo should be able to work a lot of pick and roll with KAT when they need a score.

https://www.espn.com/nba/team/depth/_/name/min/minnesota-timberwolves

It was a lot to give up for 2021, but then he did get rid of Wiggins' contract. That was the only thing bad for the Warriors as I think he'll thrive in the Warriors system and he's a bonafide long SF.
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Re: Woj: DLo to Minny for Wiggins 

Post#451 » by RunOKC » Fri Feb 7, 2020 12:43 am

Wiggins is a lethargic player, but maybe a change of scenery will ignite him. All he has to do is space the floor and commit to the warriors defensive culture to be useful. We'll see if the Warriors can get that out of him. Good price for the Wolves. Thought it would take a couple of firsts.
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Post#452 » by CS707 » Fri Feb 7, 2020 12:44 am

kulaz3000 wrote:They said D'Angelo wasn't a trade asset when they acquired him. Ha!


Didn't turn out to be much of one either.
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Re: Woj: DLo to Minny for Wiggins 

Post#453 » by clyde21 » Fri Feb 7, 2020 12:45 am

zimpy27 wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
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Iggy and a 2024 1st for Wiggy and a 2021 1st / How is that not extracting good value, I'm not madd at that. Why would anyone be, iggy is 35yrs old


okay that 2024 first is completely unprotected, and Iggy is still a + asset, Memphis just turned him into Winslow, so not only did he give Iggy away in a salary dumb to overpay DLo, he gave away that future first to do it

and Wiggins is a complete net negative player, Minny probably needed to include a 1st just to get out of his contract, let alone trade him and a 1st for DLo.

so no, this is not extracting good value AT ALL.


Yeah if Warriors just let KD go they would have Iggy (possibly Winslow), their 2024 1st and they wouldn't have been hard capped, which means they could have resigned guys last off-season, they could have used their MLE, they could have multiple vet mins right now.

Myers is surely picking Wiseman, not ideal but it's safe.


yup...let's pretend the Dlo trade never happened and we trade Iggy for Winslow

we wouldn't have the 21 pick, but we would still have our 24 pick so those cancel each other out (the 21 pick is top 3 protected too but let's ignore that), and we'd have Winslow @ his contract vs. Wiggins at his on this team right now...

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Re: Woj: DLo to Minny for Wiggins 

Post#454 » by Green Backpack » Fri Feb 7, 2020 12:47 am

I'm curious to see Wiggins in a different uniform. Minnesota has been a pretty bad place for a while, so the new scenery may help. Could be a good trade for both teams down the road.
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Re: Woj: DLo to Minny for Wiggins 

Post#455 » by HMFFL » Fri Feb 7, 2020 12:47 am

The top 3 lottery protected pick will be interesting. Golden State must believe they can mold Wiggins into the player they want him to be with the talent they have now. Culture is everything in the NBA. Wiggins leaves Minnesota to Golden State isbsureky an upgrade for him.

Time will tell how this plays out. Minnesota has acquired their guy but the cost is unknown until we see the results of the protected lottery pick.

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Re: Woj: DLo to Minny for Wiggins 

Post#456 » by clyde21 » Fri Feb 7, 2020 12:48 am

DreamTeam09 wrote:
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okay that 2024 first is completely unprotected, and Iggy is still a + asset, Memphis just turned him into Winslow, so not only did he give Iggy away in a salary dumb to overpay DLo, he gave away that future first to do it

and Wiggins is a complete net negative player, Minny probably needed to include a 1st just to get out of his contract, let alone trade him and a 1st for DLo.

so no, this is not extracting good value AT ALL.


Yeah if Warriors just let KD go they would have Iggy (possibly Winslow), their 2024 1st and they wouldn't have been hard capped, which means they could have resigned guys last off-season, they could have used their MLE, they could have multiple vet mins right now.

Myers is surely picking Wiseman, not ideal but it's safe.


Iggy is a + asset?? They got winslow and a bunch of scrubs for iggy.

So what you're telling me is that you would rather winslow and 2024 unprotected 1st instead of Wiggins and a 2021 protected 1st??

Still not seeing all the hysteria here


yes, Iggy is a + asset...dude literally just netted Memphis Winslow...that's the definition of a plus asset. what are you talking about? say we never traded for DLo it could've been us that traded Iggy for Winslow, and i'd rather have Winslow at his contract over Wiggins at his contract...that right there is a win on its own

now include the fact that we also had to give Memphis an unprotected 2024 1st rounder just to GIVE them Iggy...u can be serious here.
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Re: Woj: DLo to Minny for Wiggins 

Post#457 » by DreamTeam09 » Fri Feb 7, 2020 12:48 am

zimpy27 wrote:
DreamTeam09 wrote:
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Yeah if Warriors just let KD go they would have Iggy (possibly Winslow), their 2024 1st and they wouldn't have been hard capped, which means they could have resigned guys last off-season, they could have used their MLE, they could have multiple vet mins right now.

Myers is surely picking Wiseman, not ideal but it's safe.


Iggy is a + asset?? They got winslow and a bunch of scrubs for iggy.

So what you're telling me is that you would rather winslow and 2024 unprotected 1st instead of Wiggins and a 2021 protected 1st??

Still not seeing all the hysteria here


I'm telling you more than that, if you read the full post.


Who left last off-season who they could've resigned ??

Livingston retired
KD was leaving
Iggy wasn't in their future plans

they did resign looney regardless
they did pick up some vet min players regardless and flipped them for 2nds (Burks and GR3)

they even found a great 2nd round pick Eric Paschall,
again, still not seeing all of the hysteria
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Re: Woj: DLo to Minny for Wiggins 

Post#458 » by LouisLitt » Fri Feb 7, 2020 12:50 am

As someone who doesn't like GS, **** like this makes me happy.

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Re: Woj: DLo to Minny for Wiggins 

Post#459 » by clyde21 » Fri Feb 7, 2020 12:51 am

DreamTeam09 wrote:
Duke4life831 wrote:
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Myers didn't do anything, it's been all West

tell me what good move has he made for the Warriors since West left? just one.


Ya I used to think Myers got a bad rap but some GS fans, but ya I can't overlook it anymore. The dude is looking flat out horrible.

Just look at the difference between what Memphis has been doing with its assets vs how GS has handled theirs. It's embarrassing. I can't believe how badly all of this was handled.


What exactly was handled badly??? You guys got KD due to a cap spike, won 2 Chips, then KD was leaving regardless. They ended up getting Dlo for a disgruntled FA, they had to extract some kind of value from KD because y'all were over the cap neway with no real way of improving the team. So they got Dlo and sent out a 1st and Iggy to have the space regardless. They then sent out Dlo for a 1st and Wiggins. For a team that was put in a corner, they ended up with a former number 1 pick who's a 20pt scorer and a future 1st.

GS Out
KD - was leaving as a FA regardless, SnT are rare now-a-days too
Iggy - Was old and not worth his salary, shell of his former self
2024 1st

GS In
Wiggins 2021 1st

What alternatives would've made y'all happy??


i just explained it to you:

scenario 1: never make the Dlo trade in the first place, keep Iguodala and the 2024 unprotected pick, and trade Igoudala at the deadline to Miami for Winslow. that's Wiggins/21 top3 protected vs. Winslow/24 unprotected...i'll take the latter.

scenario 2: trade Dlo earlier to get RoCo and a 21 first, or to Orlando for Aaron Gordon, etc...there are plenty of other trades that could've happened here.

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Re: Woj: DLo to Minny for Wiggins 

Post#460 » by DonDoolie » Fri Feb 7, 2020 12:52 am

Warriors stay laughing. People are going to cry next year when they have curry Thompson wiggins green looney paschall + draft picks. Minnesota is still a lottery team they will still be in the lottery next year as well that pick will be juicy for the warriors

Legit made no sense for them to hold onto DLO especially if they could fill a position of need. Flipping a walking KD into a solid wing and draft compensation is a huge win
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