Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread VI (Don't Read Post 1 & FAQ)

[Triples333]

So now the CDC is saying obesity and a BMI over 40 is a risk factor. But just BMI can be misleading, because someone 6'1" and 225 is classified obese strictly according to BMI.

Well that’s just great - so all of us sitting around in our homes w/ nothing to do but eat and sit on the couch and watch TV cause all the gyms are closed are developing more risk factors. Wonderful.

Maybe the stimulus package should send every household a free exercise bike!

Staying healthy existed before gyms, I promise.

[mademan]

I've been avoiding this thread since it gives me a lot of anxiety. Is there news that hot weather kills the virus? Is that confirmed?

No that is not true. Just ask anyone who lives in the Southern Hemisphere. We got it here too.

One thing I wonder about is if hot/humid weather slows down transmission but of course only when you are outside and/or in a non climate conditioned space

We can watch and see if there's a difference between countries that are heavily air conditioned (US - Florida as an example) and non western nations with less air conditioning.

That it hasnt hit Africa hard, even with the huge population on that continent, is encouraging.

[Gomagic44]

That's not what I was implying though it may be so. More so that the confirmed cases are not an accurate reflection of the situation on the ground at all. Or have a 7 day lag. Each state being different, like New York testing many many more than Florida. Each states numbers may have a different corelational value of positive cases to the deathrate. Are they testing all who have passed for this?

There are too many variables for me to feel like anyone really has a grasp on the situation.

I think it's worse than being reported. I don't think it's hit the old people in Florida yet. Or it already is and we are on that 7 day delay. But I don't see Florida being anything positive to model after. We are playing Russian roulette with the old and meek here. With all the diabetics, obese in the state.



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[e83pw2oa9hl5f]

I've been avoiding this thread since it gives me a lot of anxiety. Is there news that hot weather kills the virus? Is that confirmed?

No that is not true. Just ask anyone who lives in the Southern Hemisphere. We got it here too.

One thing I wonder about is if hot/humid weather slows down transmission but of course only when you are outside and/or in a non climate conditioned space

We can watch and see if there's a difference between countries that are heavily air conditioned (US - Florida as an example) and non western nations with less air conditioning.

Good questions. It is definitely not hot and humid here. But parts of Australia are. And they are having issues as is everyone. They also seem to have the same issue as the states where some people went to the beach, some states different responses etc. My opinion, is that the only thing that seems to work is to lock down and not mess around. I feel so fortunate to be in a country that isolated at the first case that wasn't traceable to international travel. And even then, we know our numbers will continue to go up for weeks. This was telegraphed. We all saw what China did as a response yet in the west no one did much. A bit shocking.

[Childs]

No that is not true. Just ask anyone who lives in the Southern Hemisphere. We got it here too.

One thing I wonder about is if hot/humid weather slows down transmission but of course only when you are outside and/or in a non climate conditioned space

We can watch and see if there's a difference between countries that are heavily air conditioned (US - Florida as an example) and non western nations with less air conditioning.

Good questions. It is definitely not hot and humid here. But parts of Australia are. And they are having issues as is everyone. They also seem to have the same issue as the states where some people went to the beach, some states different responses etc. My opinion, is that the only thing that seems to work is to lock down and not mess around. I feel so fortunate to be in a country that isolated at the first case that wasn't traceable to international travel. And even then, we know our numbers will continue to go up for weeks. This was telegraphed. We all saw what China did as a response yet in the west no one did much. A bit shocking.

Not really. I think the Western World saw this as an Asia problem/China problem without realizing how globally connected we are. A person can get around the planet in a matter of hrs, and with hundreds of thousands of people travelling, it's just a breeding ground for the debacle we see. The arrogance and nonchalant attitude leading to the lack of preparation we had to this virus, is just the perfect environment to proliferate.

[lakerz12]

So now the CDC is saying obesity and a BMI over 40 is a risk factor. But just BMI can be misleading, because someone 6'1" and 225 is classified obese strictly according to BMI.

Well that’s just great - so all of us sitting around in our homes w/ nothing to do but eat and sit on the couch and watch TV cause all the gyms are closed are developing more risk factors. Wonderful.

Maybe the stimulus package should send every household a free exercise bike!

Staying healthy existed before gyms, I promise.

Gyms, parks, beaches, golf courses, soccer fields etc. All closed.

Yes there are other ways to stay in shape, but the closures are preventing normal, healthy behaviors.

That's not something to take lightly.

Some people will pursue alternatives, but many will use this as a reason to be lazy and eat and drink and gain 20 lbs.

[homecourtloss]

I was wondering why the death rate keeps going up. This is really scary **** now.

Watch on YouTube

Yeah, this is a good watch. It's not something that is immediately intuitive when you look at numbers.

If the rate of positive testing growth exceeds the rate of death growth, than the death percentage should go down. But since the death percentage is rising, it means the rate of death growth is exceeding the rate of positive testing growth.

I don't trust any of this because I'm pretty certain I had or have covid 19. I live in Florida. I was tested last Tuesday and have gotton no results. In the course of a week I could have infected many many many many people. But I'm not even a statistic on the Florida stats. Biggest sickness of my adult life, during a pandemic and even though I work in healthcare they still have no answers for me. So I have no faith whatsoever in our accounting of those infected. None of these models mean crap to me.

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Many people are saying this, which would suggest the mortality rate may in fact be very low.

Positive news.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/30/health/coronavirus-lower-death-rate/index.html

I've been avoiding this thread since it gives me a lot of anxiety. Is there news that hot weather kills the virus? Is that confirmed?

Nothing definitive yet, but above link is some good news that might calm some anxiety before someone posts about a 20 year old triathlete ninja who’s also hospitalized.

[TheRealKaboom]

No that is not true. Just ask anyone who lives in the Southern Hemisphere. We got it here too.

One thing I wonder about is if hot/humid weather slows down transmission but of course only when you are outside and/or in a non climate conditioned space

We can watch and see if there's a difference between countries that are heavily air conditioned (US - Florida as an example) and non western nations with less air conditioning.

That it hasnt hit Africa hard, even with the huge population on that continent, is encouraging.

That's because Africa isn't on the global climate "band" where the virus lives. Look at the hardest hit areas: China, Iran, Europe, U.S. Then look at a map of the world and ask yourself what those countries have in common. They are all geographically lined up in a circle across the globe.

Edit: This is what I mean. There's a "band" around the globe where the virus is breaking out. Africa isn't in that band.

I'm also stoned atm and this is just a personal theory.

[Triples333]

Well that’s just great - so all of us sitting around in our homes w/ nothing to do but eat and sit on the couch and watch TV cause all the gyms are closed are developing more risk factors. Wonderful.

Maybe the stimulus package should send every household a free exercise bike!

Staying healthy existed before gyms, I promise.

Gyms, parks, beaches, golf courses, soccer fields etc. All closed.

Yes there are other ways to stay in shape, but the closures are preventing normal, healthy behaviors.

That's not something to take lightly.

Some people will pursue alternatives, but many will use this as a reason to be lazy and eat and drink and gain 20 lbs.

Yeah, I mean everyone's situation is different and if you are in fact in a true quarantine it becomes more challenging, but there is still no excuse not to remain fairly healthy other than being lazy if we are holding ourselves to the least amount of accountability (granted, I had pulled pork hoagies for dinner and some ruffles after, so I get it lol). But for the many people like myself who have plenty of open nature (or at the very least places to walk without being with groups), there's 0 excuse not to get outside and maintain.

[NBAFan93]

Staying healthy existed before gyms, I promise.

Gyms, parks, beaches, golf courses, soccer fields etc. All closed.

Yes there are other ways to stay in shape, but the closures are preventing normal, healthy behaviors.

That's not something to take lightly.

Some people will pursue alternatives, but many will use this as a reason to be lazy and eat and drink and gain 20 lbs.

Yeah, I mean everyone's situation is different and if you are in fact in a true quarantine it becomes more challenging, but there is still no excuse not to remain fairly healthy other than being lazy if we are holding ourselves to the least amount of accountability (granted, I had pulled pork hoagies for dinner and some ruffles after, so I get it lol). But for the many people like myself who have plenty of open nature (or at the very least places to walk without being with groups), there's 0 excuse not to get outside and maintain.

Very true that we can still find ways to exercise and we should be eating healthy. But then then mixed in are these emotions that life as we know it is over for a long time so what the heck, might as well eat what we want :/.

[michaelm]

That's huge though. It's a cheap drug.

Can give it to people from doctor clinics as soon as they show symptoms.

I'd take anything from that doctor with a huge grain of salt. Anyone who is familiar with Monroe, NY and Kiryas Joel will understand.

Not just this doctor. This drug has had many trials around the world and it makes biological sense.

Do you think it kills the virus ?.

[Metallikid]

It isn't surprising. The same man also said the world owed China/Wuhan a debt of gratitude. It is truly insane. They started this with their disgusting wet markets, they cover it up, they silence those that tried to inform the rest of the world, they claim this was an American military plot, and yet somehow the world owes China/Wuhan.

I'm actually curious how it really did originate (certainly possible it was a wet market). I watched a few documentaries on the spanish flu recently and apparently some scholars now think it originated in Kansas.

I'll be interested to see if we can ever really track down the origin of this.

Read on Twitter

I don't see any real value in debating on where it came from. We all know it came from China. We can link most of the initial cases to those absolutely filthy and disgusting Chinese wet markets. This certainly wouldn't be the first disease to come from a filthy Chinese wet market.

I think the WHO loses credibility when they try to argue that the world owes China and Wuhan a debt of gratitude.

Wet markets in China are very likely responsible for the outbreak of COVID-19, but this mindset of blaming the Chinese is completely useless, and here's why:

Other pandemics and moreover, animal-to-human transmission of diseases has come from across the globe:

MERS originated in Saudi Arabia
H1N1 Swine flu originated in Mexico
Mad Cow Disease originated in England

The cause, regardless of location, is industrial scale animal farming in poor conditions. That's it, full stop.

As long as we treat animals as nothing but meat that hasn't died yet, pack them into cages and buildings by the thousands, give them awful things to eat, and slaughter them cruelly after they have lived horrible lives - this will keep happening.

We all have to change and DEMAND CHANGE, starting here first.

I'm no vegan - I love how meats taste - but it is absolutely insane to think it is normal or okay to be eating as much and as many animals as we do today. It can't go on. Not anymore.

I would rather live a life where I only eat small amounts of meat each meal, or only in one meal a day, if it means that the animals are raised well, live good lives, and that a high risk of this kind of thing happening again is DESTROYED FOREVER.

[bondom34]

Staying healthy existed before gyms, I promise.

Gyms, parks, beaches, golf courses, soccer fields etc. All closed.

Yes there are other ways to stay in shape, but the closures are preventing normal, healthy behaviors.

That's not something to take lightly.

Some people will pursue alternatives, but many will use this as a reason to be lazy and eat and drink and gain 20 lbs.

Yeah, I mean everyone's situation is different and if you are in fact in a true quarantine it becomes more challenging, but there is still no excuse not to remain fairly healthy other than being lazy if we are holding ourselves to the least amount of accountability (granted, I had pulled pork hoagies for dinner and some ruffles after, so I get it lol). But for the many people like myself who have plenty of open nature (or at the very least places to walk without being with groups), there's 0 excuse not to get outside and maintain.

Agree here. I live right next to a rail trail, and get out normally anyway but it's been way busier lately. Is kinda nice working from home and just being able to go outside and walk or run if I want (but tbh I kinda liked it when I had it more to myself haha).

[Childs]

I'm actually curious how it really did originate (certainly possible it was a wet market). I watched a few documentaries on the spanish flu recently and apparently some scholars now think it originated in Kansas.

I'll be interested to see if we can ever really track down the origin of this.

Read on Twitter

I don't see any real value in debating on where it came from. We all know it came from China. We can link most of the initial cases to those absolutely filthy and disgusting Chinese wet markets. This certainly wouldn't be the first disease to come from a filthy Chinese wet market.

I think the WHO loses credibility when they try to argue that the world owes China and Wuhan a debt of gratitude.

Wet markets in China are very likely responsible for the outbreak of COVID-19, but this mindset of blaming the Chinese is completely useless, and here's why:

Other pandemics and moreover, animal-to-human transmission of diseases has come from across the globe:

MERS was originated in Saudi Arabia
H1N1 Swine flu originated in Mexico
Mad Cow Disease originated in England

The cause, regardless of location, is industrial scale animal farming in poor conditions. That's it, full stop.

As long as we treat animals as nothing but meat that hasn't died yet, pack them into cages and buildings by the thousands, give them awful things to eat, and slaughter them cruelly after they have lived horrible lives - this will keep happening.

We all have to change and DEMAND CHANGE, starting here first.

I'm no vegan - I love how meats taste - but it is absolutely insane to think it is normal or okay to be eating as much and as many animals as we do today. It can't go on. Not anymore.

I would rather live a life where I only eat small amounts of meat each meal, or only in one meal a day, if it means that the animals are raised well, live good lives, and that a high risk of this kind of thing happening again is DESTROYED FOREVER.

Also the problem is learning and enforcing new guidelines to handle meat. In the UK after this event, parts such as brain, spinal cord, intestine, eyes are regarded as high risk parts of the cattle and are dispose of accordingly. What is the point of this catastrophe if nothing is learned? The West can maybe learn how to react more quickly if a pandemic like this were to happen again, but it wouldn't target the source of the problem.

The SARS virus originated from civet cats and horseshoe bats, and China was slow in its response for reporting the outbreak. They then apologized for it. Well that's great, because we have the same issue here multiplied several times over.

It was only in the last few days that the Chinese government allowed WHO officials to visit Guangzhou, the main city in Guangdong.

The same secrecy and hidden agenda is being repeated again. The first SARS cases were being reported in November, and they didn't inform WHO, and the first English reports were in January. That's what makes me detest that government so much. The secrecy and ability to silence "disturbers of the peace" at the expense of human lives. I highly doubt any changes will be enforced with wildlife meat management. All these lives being lost, for absolutely nothing. Also I agree blaming the Chinese is useless, because although they are at fault, they will defer the blame, claiming it to originate from the West or another country, or give a useless, meaningless apology. All these lives lost for absolutely no reason.

https://web.archive.org/web/20060307182402/http://www.cnn.com/2003/HEALTH/04/05/sars.vaccine/index.html

At least with Chernobyl, the Russians made changes with their RBMK reactors to ensure that an event like that wouldn't happen again.

[th87]

It isn't surprising. The same man also said the world owed China/Wuhan a debt of gratitude. It is truly insane. They started this with their disgusting wet markets, they cover it up, they silence those that tried to inform the rest of the world, they claim this was an American military plot, and yet somehow the world owes China/Wuhan.

I'm actually curious how it really did originate (certainly possible it was a wet market). I watched a few documentaries on the spanish flu recently and apparently some scholars now think it originated in Kansas.

I'll be interested to see if we can ever really track down the origin of this.

Read on Twitter

I don't see any real value in debating on where it came from. We all know it came from China. We can link most of the initial cases to those absolutely filthy and disgusting Chinese wet markets. This certainly wouldn't be the first disease to come from a filthy Chinese wet market.

I think the WHO loses credibility when they try to argue that the world owes China and Wuhan a debt of gratitude.

Some people in China can be blamed for this occurring, while others can be praised for their containment efforts.

They are a collection of different humans. You lose credibility when you try to lump them together.

[mcmurphy]

The whole Italian tragedy began in a city of 13k inhabitants (Alzano Lombardo) in province of Bergamo from the bad decision of a health manager in Feb,23.
He kept the hospital open the next day (without implementing the contagion protocols) after having had a Covid-19 case.

https://www.facebook.com/albo.silvano/videos/10219616567878490/?t=106

[Metallikid]

Read on Twitter

I don't see any real value in debating on where it came from. We all know it came from China. We can link most of the initial cases to those absolutely filthy and disgusting Chinese wet markets. This certainly wouldn't be the first disease to come from a filthy Chinese wet market.

I think the WHO loses credibility when they try to argue that the world owes China and Wuhan a debt of gratitude.

Wet markets in China are very likely responsible for the outbreak of COVID-19, but this mindset of blaming the Chinese is completely useless, and here's why:

Other pandemics and moreover, animal-to-human transmission of diseases has come from across the globe:

MERS was originated in Saudi Arabia
H1N1 Swine flu originated in Mexico
Mad Cow Disease originated in England

The cause, regardless of location, is industrial scale animal farming in poor conditions. That's it, full stop.

As long as we treat animals as nothing but meat that hasn't died yet, pack them into cages and buildings by the thousands, give them awful things to eat, and slaughter them cruelly after they have lived horrible lives - this will keep happening.

We all have to change and DEMAND CHANGE, starting here first.

I'm no vegan - I love how meats taste - but it is absolutely insane to think it is normal or okay to be eating as much and as many animals as we do today. It can't go on. Not anymore.

I would rather live a life where I only eat small amounts of meat each meal, or only in one meal a day, if it means that the animals are raised well, live good lives, and that a high risk of this kind of thing happening again is DESTROYED FOREVER.

Also the problem is learning and enforcing new guidelines to handle meat. In the UK after this event, parts such as brain, spinal cord, intestine, eyes are regarded as high risk parts of the cattle and are dispose of accordingly. What is the point of this catastrophe if nothing is learned? The West can maybe learn how to react more quickly if a pandemic like this were to happen again, but it wouldn't target the source of the problem.

The SARS virus originated from civet cats and horseshoe bats, and China was slow in its response for reporting the outbreak. They then apologized for it. Well that's great, because we have the same issue here multiplied several times over.

It was only in the last few days that the Chinese government allowed WHO officials to visit Guangzhou, the main city in Guangdong.

The same secrecy and hidden agenda is being repeated again. The first SARS cases were being reported in November, and they didn't inform WHO, and the first English reports were in January. That's what makes me detest that government so much. The secrecy and ability to silence "disturbers of the peace" at the expense of human lives. I highly doubt any changes will be enforced with wildlife meat management. All these lives being lost, for absolutely nothing. Also I agree blaming the Chinese is useless, because although they are at fault, they will defer the blame, claiming it to originate from the West or another country, or give a useless, meaningless apology. All these lives lost for absolutely no reason.

https://web.archive.org/web/20060307182402/http://www.cnn.com/2003/HEALTH/04/05/sars.vaccine/index.html

At least with Chernobyl, the Russians made changes with their RBMK reactors to ensure that an event like that wouldn't happen again.

We're going to have to go a lot farther than, 'improving handling procedures' and 'increasing security protocols.'

We have to fundamentally change the system and put health over profits in the food industry - just like we did when we made food standards in the first place. And that was when most animals were raised on family farms by people who had a stake in treating them right.

[zimpy27]

I'd take anything from that doctor with a huge grain of salt. Anyone who is familiar with Monroe, NY and Kiryas Joel will understand.

Not just this doctor. This drug has had many trials around the world and it makes biological sense.

Do you think it kills the virus ?.

It creates a channel in the host cells to enable zinc to build to a higher concentration in the cell. Zinc stops the virus from being able to replicate. It's common to all viruses that use RNA as their genetic material rather than DNA. However, this virus seems particularly susceptible which likely means it does a lot of it's damage by speed of replication.

[michaelm]

Wet markets in China are very likely responsible for the outbreak of COVID-19, but this mindset of blaming the Chinese is completely useless, and here's why:

Other pandemics and moreover, animal-to-human transmission of diseases has come from across the globe:

MERS was originated in Saudi Arabia
H1N1 Swine flu originated in Mexico
Mad Cow Disease originated in England

The cause, regardless of location, is industrial scale animal farming in poor conditions. That's it, full stop.

As long as we treat animals as nothing but meat that hasn't died yet, pack them into cages and buildings by the thousands, give them awful things to eat, and slaughter them cruelly after they have lived horrible lives - this will keep happening.

We all have to change and DEMAND CHANGE, starting here first.

I'm no vegan - I love how meats taste - but it is absolutely insane to think it is normal or okay to be eating as much and as many animals as we do today. It can't go on. Not anymore.

I would rather live a life where I only eat small amounts of meat each meal, or only in one meal a day, if it means that the animals are raised well, live good lives, and that a high risk of this kind of thing happening again is DESTROYED FOREVER.

Also the problem is learning and enforcing new guidelines to handle meat. In the UK after this event, parts such as brain, spinal cord, intestine, eyes are regarded as high risk parts of the cattle and are dispose of accordingly. What is the point of this catastrophe if nothing is learned? The West can maybe learn how to react more quickly if a pandemic like this were to happen again, but it wouldn't target the source of the problem.

The SARS virus originated from civet cats and horseshoe bats, and China was slow in its response for reporting the outbreak. They then apologized for it. Well that's great, because we have the same issue here multiplied several times over.

It was only in the last few days that the Chinese government allowed WHO officials to visit Guangzhou, the main city in Guangdong.

The same secrecy and hidden agenda is being repeated again. The first SARS cases were being reported in November, and they didn't inform WHO, and the first English reports were in January. That's what makes me detest that government so much. The secrecy and ability to silence "disturbers of the peace" at the expense of human lives. I highly doubt any changes will be enforced with wildlife meat management. All these lives being lost, for absolutely nothing. Also I agree blaming the Chinese is useless, because although they are at fault, they will defer the blame, claiming it to originate from the West or another country, or give a useless, meaningless apology. All these lives lost for absolutely no reason.

https://web.archive.org/web/20060307182402/http://www.cnn.com/2003/HEALTH/04/05/sars.vaccine/index.html

At least with Chernobyl, the Russians made changes with their RBMK reactors to ensure that an event like that wouldn't happen again.

We're going to have to go a lot farther than, 'improving handling procedures' and 'increasing security protocols.'

We have to fundamentally change the system and put health over profits in the food industry - just like we did when we made food standards in the first place. And that was when most animals were raised on family farms by people who had a stake in treating them right.

Saw a detailed analysis about this. Industrial farming in China itself has apparently pushed the small farmers to the edge of the forest and to farming wild animals together with domesticated animals as a niche product.

[DirtyDez]

So now the CDC is saying obesity and a BMI over 40 is a risk factor. But just BMI can be misleading, because someone 6'1" and 225 is classified obese strictly according to BMI.

Obese people are in a constant state of inflammation. The central nervous system can only handle so much.