Shams: Jrue Holiday Traded to Bucks for Eric Bledsoe, George Hill, Three 1st Round Picks, 2 Future Draft Pick Swaps

[TheHartBreakKid]

Well


Either the bucks know something regarding Giannis, or they just took a huge huge risk. Either way, great move by the pels.


Either you just pulled off the heist of the century if Giannis leaves, or you still got a great package for a player that didn't fit with your timeline.

Nothing might come from this move other than 3 late firsts, but this absolutely the type of moves a rebuilding team like the pels should make;

Collect assets, give your youth big minutes, and wait until its your opportunity to strike.

Their previous regime would have either held on to holiday for too long or traded him for a fools gold win now piece that didn't fit their timeline (westbrook or Cp3)

[TTP]

this is a horrific trade for the bucks. 5 picks for Holiday is crazy, he cannot take over a game and be that guy.

3. Not 5. Big difference between a 1st and a contender's pick swap to a lottery team which may not even mean anything

3 picks plus 2 swaps

3 + 2 = 5

this is a horrible trade for the bucks and one of the best trades ever made in nba history by griffin to get so much for a player who doesnt move the needle, cant take over the game, gets nicked up often

They definitely paid a lot and it could certainly work out terribly for them, especially if Giannis doesn't sign the extension, but I disagree on the bolded. Jrue is #2 in the NBA in luck-adjusted RAPM over the last 3 years (behind only his new teammate Giannis). He's very much played like a needle mover the last few years even if he hasn't gotten the subjective accolades or the respect he deserves.

[vincecarter4pres]

Huge Jrue fan, but wow that’s a risky trade.

Those picks go so far out, that even if Giannis stays, as does Jrue, they’re one 50 game injury and top 4 jump away from giving away a franchise player.

[nedleeds]

Jrue is great but he's also only played 70+ games 4 times in 11 seasons. The last time being 17-18, he's had health issues alot. Now you've traded all your depth and still need a backup point guard. Are there decent ring chasers that want to come ride GIannis's nuts? Will the Bucks give up the roster spot wasted on Giannis' 27 year old brother who can't hit hit from a boat?

[SF_Warriors]

Feels like we’ve already seen this movie...

Jrue/Gordon/Tyreke/Anderson/AD
Jrue/Bogdan/Middleton/Lopez/Giannis

So brook is going to play 22 games for the bucks next season? Not to mention he is a better player than anderson

Jrue is playing 34 games next season?

middleton/Bogs >>> gordon/tyreke at the wings..its not even close

[Jadoogar]

When you really sit down and think about it, 3 picks (2 unprotected) for Jrue Holiday (on an expiring contract) is nuts.
Obviously, this trade is about convincing Giannis to stay so it shouldn't be viewed in a vacuum but this is a marginal upgrade imo.
Plus what if Giannis decides to sign a 2+1 (like Kawhi) or signs a big deal and demands a trade when the supporting cast gets old (Harden)?
Only way this works for the Bucks is if they win a title, then no one will care about picks. Otherwise, this is headed towards disaster

[grindtime22]

Idk why so many people think the pelicans won this trade. The draft picks hurt but when you think about it the bucks will have a very good team for a long time so the draft picks will be high 20s. Even if everyone else on the team leaves or whatever, they will still have Giannis.

Good trade bucks.

I’m now afraid this will make the nets want to make a move and trade their entire line up for harden.

If they have an agreement with Giannis, then you have to do it, but anybody who thinks they know where these stars are going to be in 5 years is crazy.

Who knows what is going to be going on in 2025,2026, and 2027 when you have 2 unprotected picks and a pick swap

[Alatan]

and people thought the knicks absorbing westbrooks contract and sending them a late first was to much LIKE WOW what a massive haul. Westbrooks price just went up

Jrue is better than Westbrook if you want to actually win games.

[VanWest82]

Feels like we’ve already seen this movie...

Jrue/Gordon/Tyreke/Anderson/AD
Jrue/Bogdan/Middleton/Lopez/Giannis

So brook is going to play 22 games for the bucks next season? Not to mention he is a better player than anderson

Jrue is playing 34 games next season?

middleton/Bogs >>> gordon/tyreke at the wings..its not even close

Injuries killed those 14-16 Pelicans teams but there's enough evidence when they did play to say they weren't a contender anyway. Ryan Anderson scored 19 ppg on 40% from three in one of those years. Maybe Bogs will be better than that idk.

I agree Bucks five is better but I'm not sure it's significantly better unless Giannis goes to another level.

[LikeABosh]

3 picks plus 2 swaps

3 + 2 = 5

That's simply a lie on your part. A pick swap isn't a pick. I literally just explained it. I know your trolling schtick is to play dumb but let up for once

[NoZoLakers]

Jrue is great but he's also only played 70+ games 4 times in 11 seasons. The last time being 17-18, he's had health issues alot. Now you've traded all your depth and still need a backup point guard. Are there decent ring chasers that want to come ride GIannis's nuts? Will the Bucks give up the roster spot wasted on Giannis' 27 year old brother who can't hit hit from a boat?

He didnt have health issues the last 2 seasons, according to their fanbase he missed alot of time for personal reason to care for his sick wife

[G R E Y]

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[TheBullsDynasty]

Try to look at things from Bucks' perspective. Players like Giannis don't end up in small market teams like the Bucks very often. Bucks have one of the best players in the league and a team that many considered a title contender for the past 2 seasons but they couldn't get it done. Now that said best player might be on the brink of leaving.

You absolutely do everything in your power to get him to sign an extension and stay. Great players never choose small market teams to sign as a FA so if they need to give 3 picks to get a great player like Jrue, you have to do it. Based on Jrue and Bog deals, I'm assuming Bucks got some sort of confirmation from Giannis that he is going to stay. Otherwise, they wouldn't have made these deals.

Now you get Giannis to stay and compete for a chip for at least a few more seasons. Maybe eventually he'll decide to leave and then those draft picks in 5-7 years from now will come back to bite you but that doesn't matter. For small market teams, those picks never amount to a championship anyways. At least this way, Bucks have a chance to compete. If Giannis leaves, Bucks won't be a contender for a while regardless of if they have those picks or not.

[kanahda ballz]

I just read on The Sports Network (TSN) ticker tape that the Bucks and Jrue Holiday agreed on a contract.

If that is true I give the Bucks the W in this trade.

[RRyder823]

I just read on The Sports Network (TSN) ticker tape that the Bucks and Jrue Holiday agreed on a contract.

If that is true I give the Bucks the W in this trade.

If true theres no way he signs an extension without knowing Giannis is signing the extension

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[kanahda ballz]

I like both trades for the Bucks.

Bucks starting five now has four above average 3 point shooters and four good playmakers. Spacing and playmaking in abundance.

Only negative is Bucks have depleted all of their depth.

Budenholzer will have no choice but to play his starters 40 plus minutes each game in the playoffs.

I expect Bud to cap the starters minutes in the regular season to keep them fresh for the playoffs.

[SF_Warriors]

Feels like we’ve already seen this movie...

Jrue/Gordon/Tyreke/Anderson/AD
Jrue/Bogdan/Middleton/Lopez/Giannis

So brook is going to play 22 games for the bucks next season? Not to mention he is a better player than anderson

Jrue is playing 34 games next season?

middleton/Bogs >>> gordon/tyreke at the wings..its not even close

Injuries killed those 14-16 Pelicans teams but there's enough evidence when they did play to say they weren't a contender anyway. Ryan Anderson scored 19 ppg on 40% from three in one of those years. Maybe Bogs will be better than that idk.

I agree Bucks five is better but I'm not sure it's significantly better unless Giannis goes to another level.

The year anderson/AD/reke/gordon/jrue made the playoffs together, Jrue had a injury riddled season (40 games) and only played 18 mpg in the playoffs. Its hard to judge their success or lack of based on one of their key players missing half the season and being very limited in the playoffs.

Tyreke and gordon is also a significant drop off from middleton/bogdan, not slight. Anderson averaged 19ppg in 22 regular season games the year you referenced. I do think he was a bit underrated, but current brook lopez is probably at least as impactful overall and he will probably play the whole season (averages at least 70 games a season the past 6 years).

What I am trying to say is that this bucks team is more talented and more balanced with arguably better coaching than those pelicans teams with AD/Jrue. Giannis will also be in his prime whereas AD was still a developing player. AD also averages less games per season than Giannis which factors into the team's success as well.

[Packbuckman]

When you really sit down and think about it, 3 picks (2 unprotected) for Jrue Holiday (on an expiring contract) is nuts.
Obviously, this trade is about convincing Giannis to stay so it shouldn't be viewed in a vacuum but this is a marginal upgrade imo.
Plus what if Giannis decides to sign a 2+1 (like Kawhi) or signs a big deal and demands a trade when the supporting cast gets old (Harden)?
Only way this works for the Bucks is if they win a title, then no one will care about picks. Otherwise, this is headed towards disaster

Hell no this a great bold move just like getting Bog Giannis ain’t going anywhere and this was all with Giannis blessing I guarantee you. 228 million looks a lot better now to him Brook is the oldest in starting lineup at a young 32 with him he could play till he’s 37 at a high level. Middleton is 29 and his game don’t rely on athletics his game will age well too this team can be great for years if they stay healthy.

[FreeSpiritNY]

and people thought the knicks absorbing westbrooks contract and sending them a late first was to much LIKE WOW what a massive haul. Westbrooks price just went up

Jrue is better than Westbrook if you want to actually win games.

So then Jrue should have a winnning record right? I mean hey any player worth 3 1st round picks you would think might be the best player in the world.

Sorry first of JRUE is not the better player. Second Neither is worth 3 1st round picks . 3rd. Jrue had anthony davis and they didnt do sheet. I doubt they do anything in mil. Wanna place a friendly wager?

[LarryBirdsFingr]

Ah yes a deluxe bag of bricks