Kyrie Irving Megathread: [Latest] NETS Will Not Offer Irving $186M Extension

[toodles23]

Sadly, these young guys didn't know what they've been supporting. The same worldview that created BLM is the same one forcing them to take unwanted injections. It looks like Kyrie is starting to see the light, but it might be too late for him, the NBA and the free world as well.

Lol, okay buddy.

That's why wealthy white old people have the highest vaccination rates in the country.

Comparing protests for social justice to vaccines in a global pandemic is such a dumb take.

BLM is an organization that has openly stated that they believe in a totalitarian state. unlimited forced actions by the state is what BLM stands for and what forced vaccinations are. Sucks these guys are figuring this out now. Even the term 'social justice' comes from that sick worldview. There's no such thing as 'social justice'.

This is what happens to your brain when you mainline right wing propaganda, kids.

[KramerDSP]

So per Sham's most recent article on the Athletic, Kyrie apparently isn't actually anti vax, he's just taking a stand against the vaccine mandates. That he wants to be the "voice for the voiceless" and it's a "grander fight".

He wants to be a voice for the voiceless, but insists everyone respect his privacy and refuses to talk about it. He feels so strongly about the mandates and the people it impacts to the point where he refuses the vaccine despite not actually being anti vax, but he won't actually use his platform to talk about any of it.

And what was his explanation for the several months of not getting it before the mandates?

Almost like this is just his team spreading a bunch of BS to explain his nonsense.

Kyrie’s going to be calling out CM Punk on AEW any day now.

[Neutral 123]

So per Sham's most recent article on the Athletic, Kyrie apparently isn't actually anti vax, he's just taking a stand against the vaccine mandates. That he wants to be the "voice for the voiceless" and it's a "grander fight".

He wants to be a voice for the voiceless, but insists everyone respect his privacy and refuses to talk about it. He feels so strongly about the mandates and the people it impacts to the point where he refuses the vaccine despite not actually being anti vax, but he won't actually use his platform to talk about any of it.

And what was his explanation for the several months of not getting it before the mandates?

Almost like this is just his team spreading a bunch of BS to explain his nonsense.

No one is 'anti vax'. That's another media lie. I haven't heard anyone advocate the banning of vaccines. Everyone is pro personal decision. But it doesn't matter how many times this is stated, this position gets misrepresented over and over again.

Lol okay.

First it was saying Covid was a hoax.

Then it was Covid deaths are manufactured and made up.

Then it was saying masks don't work.

Then it was saying masks are taking away our freedom.

Then it was saying lockdowns don't work and taking away our freedom.

Then it was saying vaccines are too rushed, not FDA approved and dangerous.

Now you guys just shift the goal posts again move to the next nut case conspiracy. Now it's about your personal freedom, lol.

You didn't address my point lol.

[CarMalone]

Sadly, these young guys didn't know what they've been supporting. The same worldview that created BLM is the same one forcing them to take unwanted injections. It looks like Kyrie is starting to see the light, but it might be too late for him, the NBA and the free world as well.

Lol, okay buddy.

That's why wealthy white old people have the highest vaccination rates in the country.

Comparing protests for social justice to vaccines in a global pandemic is such a dumb take.

This is something I always bring up to those opposed to vaccines. I point out that vaccine acceptance corelates strongly with income and education so if this vaccine is a scam, why are the wealthy educated elite the most vaccinated while the poor uneducated (and same people that fall for MLMs) the least vaccinated?

[Danny1616]

No one is 'anti vax'. That's another media lie. I haven't heard anyone advocate the banning of vaccines. Everyone is pro personal decision. But it doesn't matter how many times this is stated, this position gets misrepresented over and over again.

Lol okay.

First it was saying Covid was a hoax.

Then it was Covid deaths are manufactured and made up.

Then it was saying masks don't work.

Then it was saying masks are taking away our freedom.

Then it was saying lockdowns don't work and taking away our freedom.

Then it was saying vaccines are too rushed, not FDA approved and dangerous.

Now you guys just shift the goal posts again move to the next nut case conspiracy. Now it's about your personal freedom, lol.

You didn't address my point lol.

You don't have a point.

Your freedom isn't absolute. You don't the freedom to down bottle of vodka and drive. If you do your license will be suspended and you will get fined.

You don't have the freedom to smoke in pretty much all indoor public places. If you do you will be fined.

Covid-19 is a highly contagious virus that spreads rapidly and if no restrictions are taken, can decimate the health-care system and result in a significant death toll. Because it's a contagious virus, things like vaccines, social distancing, masking etc. is important because it reduces the rates of transmission and the spread of the virus.

This isn't rocket science.

The NBA is a private organization and the States have the authority to implement their own policies based on a public health measure. The Supreme Court already made a ruling on the legality of mandating vaccines in 1905. Brush up your history my friend.

But of course you will spread crap like Covid-19 is overblown and vaccines aren't safe with your selective misconstrued evidence garnered from your social media pundits. I already know your talking points. You will also probably say vaccine mandates are the first step to communism or some weird ****.

[Clyde Frazier]

Smart move by the nets. They can now minimize the distraction as much as possible and focus on a game to game plan without him. Of course, I can't imagine how Kyrie's teammates feel with him getting in the way of them possibly winning a title. This blurb makes his stance even more absurd:

Read on Twitter

[Neutral 123]

Sadly, these young guys didn't know what they've been supporting. The same worldview that created BLM is the same one forcing them to take unwanted injections. It looks like Kyrie is starting to see the light, but it might be too late for him, the NBA and the free world as well.

Lol, okay buddy.

That's why wealthy white old people have the highest vaccination rates in the country.

Comparing protests for social justice to vaccines in a global pandemic is such a dumb take.

This is something I always bring up to those opposed to vaccines. I point out that vaccine acceptance corelates strongly with income and education so if this vaccine is a scam, why are the wealthy educated elite the most vaccinated while the poor uneducated (and same people that fall for MLMs) the least vaccinated?

It appears the most educated still don't understand that no one is opposed to the vaccines. It's amazing. People on auto pilot.

[Neutral 123]

Lol okay.

First it was saying Covid was a hoax.

Then it was Covid deaths are manufactured and made up.

Then it was saying masks don't work.

Then it was saying masks are taking away our freedom.

Then it was saying lockdowns don't work and taking away our freedom.

Then it was saying vaccines are too rushed, not FDA approved and dangerous.

Now you guys just shift the goal posts again move to the next nut case conspiracy. Now it's about your personal freedom, lol.

You didn't address my point lol.

You don't have a point.

Your freedom isn't absolute. You don't the freedom to down bottle of vodka and drive. If you do your license will be suspended and you will get fined.

You don't have the freedom to smoke in pretty much all indoor public places. If you do you will be fined.

Covid-19 is a highly contagious virus that spreads rapidly and if no restrictions are taken, can decimate the health-care system and result in a significant death toll. Because it's a contagious virus, things like vaccines, social distancing, masking etc. is important because it reduces the rates of transmission and the spread of the virus.

This isn't rocket science.

The NBA is a private organization and the States have the authority to implement their own policies based on a public health measure. The Supreme Court already made a ruling on the legality of mandating vaccines in 1905. Brush up your history my friend.

But of course you will spread crap like Covid-19 is overblown and vaccines aren't safe with your selective misconstrued evidence garnered from your social media pundits. I already know your talking points. You will also probably say vaccine mandates are the first step to communism or some weird ****.

Slightly better response. Thanks. Now we have to go over exactly what freedom is and isn't. Since freedom is for everyone, that means that you do not have a right to infringe on the freedom of others. Those who are scared of Covid have a right to wear masks, avoid crowds and get vaccinated. Yet for some reason they believe they have a right to force others to get an injection they don't want.

And I'm not sure why you are appealing to history. History has plenty of bad anti freedom laws and policies.

[CarMalone]

Lol, okay buddy.

That's why wealthy white old people have the highest vaccination rates in the country.

Comparing protests for social justice to vaccines in a global pandemic is such a dumb take.

This is something I always bring up to those opposed to vaccines. I point out that vaccine acceptance corelates strongly with income and education so if this vaccine is a scam, why are the wealthy educated elite the most vaccinated while the poor uneducated (and same people that fall for MLMs) the least vaccinated?

It appears the most educated still don't understand that no one is opposed to the vaccines. It's amazing. People on auto pilot.

You say that "no one is opposed to the vaccines" yet there are people at anti-vaccine rallies with signs that literally say "We are opposed to the vaccine", "No vaccines", "Vaccine=Genocide".

[shotsquatch]

Slightly better response. Thanks. Now we have to go over exactly what freedom is and isn't. Since freedom is for everyone, that means that you do not have a right to infringe on the freedom of others.

Tomorrow at work I'm going to bring in a baggie of dog poop from the park nearby, go to the break room, and smear it all over the drinking fountain and fridge. It is my right to do so, because I am Free.

[Neutral 123]

This is something I always bring up to those opposed to vaccines. I point out that vaccine acceptance corelates strongly with income and education so if this vaccine is a scam, why are the wealthy educated elite the most vaccinated while the poor uneducated (and same people that fall for MLMs) the least vaccinated?

It appears the most educated still don't understand that no one is opposed to the vaccines. It's amazing. People on auto pilot.

You say that "no one is opposed to the vaccines" yet there are people at anti-vaccine rallies with signs that literally say "We are opposed to the vaccine", "No vaccines", "Vaccine=Genocide".

I have yet to hear anyone say they want to ban these vaccines. They simply don't want to be forced to take them. If what you've mostly encountered are groups who want to make it illegal to take these vaccines, please post. I haven't seen it.

[Neutral 123]

Slightly better response. Thanks. Now we have to go over exactly what freedom is and isn't. Since freedom is for everyone, that means that you do not have a right to infringe on the freedom of others.

Tomorrow at work I'm going to bring in a baggie of dog poop from the park nearby, go to the break room, and smear it all over the drinking fountain and fridge. It is my right to do so, because I am Free.

About as reasonable and logical as forced vaccinations. Have at it.

[shotsquatch]

Slightly better response. Thanks. Now we have to go over exactly what freedom is and isn't. Since freedom is for everyone, that means that you do not have a right to infringe on the freedom of others.

Tomorrow at work I'm going to bring in a baggie of dog poop from the park nearby, go to the break room, and smear it all over the drinking fountain and fridge. It is my right to do so, because I am Free.

About as reasonable and logical as forced vaccinations. Have at it.

Do you think there would be something wrong with me doing that? It's my Freedom of Choice to do what I want. If my coworkers don't want to drink the sh*t water they can exercise their own Freedom of Choice and Choose to bring water from home.

[jfs1000d]

No, it's not correct.

No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People

I don't understand how this misinformation happens. The Vaccine is 80-95% effective against getting covid. And for those who do get a breakthrough case, almost 99% effective at stopping sever illness and death.

Just do the math.

1,000,000 un vaxed = 1,000,000 cases = 20,000 deaths (~2% death rate)

1,000,000 vaxed = 50,000 cases (95% effective) = 50 deaths (o.oo5% death rate)

That is essentially the difference between deaths of vaxed and unvaxxed. Deaths of fully vaccinated after a breakthrough case is exceedingly rare. But when you have billions of people getting vaccine, it is going to happen.

I CAN"T TAKE IT ANYMORE. Just use our advanced basketball analytic minds to do simple math.

Its not just deaths that is a concern..hospital beds and resources being used up, MDs and RNs getting burnt out, are just as concerning with regards to public health. The whole point of the vaccine is not just to avoid deaths, but to avoid hospitalization and long term health issues caused by high viral load of covid.

Also, if we look at how 500,000 excess deaths in a year (in the US) is affecting us with worker shortages, supply chain issues..

Then we have a whole generation of kids losing parents prematurely and how that affects them..or how these families in the US who may have survived covid but are now financially ruined with bills, or worse families who have lost a provider AND stuck with hospital bills

Then theres the long term affects which are well-documented but still unknown as for how those with damaged lungs, etc will be affected decades from now. Maybe the words "shortened lifespan" makes more sense.

So yea, saying its a high survival rate is basically some morons trying to justify why the vaccine is pointless..its not..its a modern miracle that certain demographics are taking for granted.

10000% correct.

There is no logical reason to not get the vaccine. The only thing that is up for debate is long term implications of vaccine (very very likely nothing).

But the risk associated with taking vaccine is exponentially less than the carnage caused by not taking the vaccine. It isnt close.

It just seems that some people have irrational fear, or, they just don’t like the fact that someone is telling them what to do (I actually get this view. Your body is your temple and personal).

But let’s not try and say the science is out. It is in. The damn thing works incredibly .


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[zaz102]

Slightly better response. Thanks. Now we have to go over exactly what freedom is and isn't. Since freedom is for everyone, that means that you do not have a right to infringe on the freedom of others.

Tomorrow at work I'm going to bring in a baggie of dog poop from the park nearby, go to the break room, and smear it all over the drinking fountain and fridge. It is my right to do so, because I am Free.

About as reasonable and logical as forced vaccinations. Have at it.

Just curious, did people have this issue before COVID when you know, people needed them to go to college/school (and still do)? I don't remember anyone talking about this before it was politicized.

[jfs1000d]

And then they've put the Raptors in an awkward position because Canada's covid laws are even stricter

Silver can't mandate vaccines for players because they are governed by the CBA. He has mandated NBA staff to get vaxxed. He is powerless to enforce contracted players vaccine. Now, governors have the power for public health to make these health requirements in public spaces, such as a game or arean. It is why Kyrie could practice, because the training facility was private,

The answer is to trade kyrie to a team in a state that does not have this mandate, like Florida, Texas or Atlanta.

And yet other industries that are governed by union contracts can mandate vaccines for employees. Strange, isn't it.

They have clauses in their contracts that allow management to do that.

Silver doesn’t really have that power.


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[jfs1000d]

Kyrie absolutely sucks. Hope he never plays again and we don't have to hear about him again.

And not just because it hurts the Nets – he'd suck as a person if he was in Sacramento or back in Cleveland or wherever.

Kyrie is an idiot for being anti-vaxx here but he's not a bad person. He has done a lot of good things off the court that he has zero obligation to do. I think people need to differentiate between someone making poor decisions and someone actually being a bad person.

I agree with this.

Kyrie is high maintenance and a problem for management, but he is NOT a bad guy and has not done anything immoral or criminal.

He is just very difficult to work with, as some people are, and has a weird streak in him. That’s his personality. He is just different than other people.

But, there is no evidence he is a bad person. Actually, he does a lot of good things and I am sure his family and friends love him.


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[Statlanta]

I hope Kyrie sticks to his guns otherwise this thread is about 23 pages of nothing but speculation of posturing and viritol.

[Neutral 123]

Tomorrow at work I'm going to bring in a baggie of dog poop from the park nearby, go to the break room, and smear it all over the drinking fountain and fridge. It is my right to do so, because I am Free.

About as reasonable and logical as forced vaccinations. Have at it.

Do you think there would be something wrong with me doing that? It's my Freedom of Choice to do what I want. If my coworkers don't want to drink the sh*t water they can exercise their own Freedom of Choice and Choose to bring water from home.

In your analogy it is you imposing your feces on others who don't want it, same as imposing your vaccine on others who don't want it. At least you are consistent. The my body my choice people are nowhere to be found when you actually need them.

[seren]

I am so glad Kyrie joined the likes of Florida/Texas governors, entire Republican Party, Fox News and OAN and other right wing media to be the voice of voiceless. This is exactly the type of social advocacy that a guy like Kyrie Irving should be a part of.