2021-22 NBA MVP Discussion (Pt.2)

[DutchManDanFan]

At this point I think a top seeded team is just a narrative talking point just like the phrase "two way player". Who cares if you are a #1 seed when you are a team that has a 0 SRS, or a #1 seed that nobody is picking to win the title. If you are a number 1 seed and that's the equivalent of a 5th seed in another conference I can't take your winning narrative seriously.

But at what point is the Suns record good enough to get the MVP on their team? It's not that they have 2 superstars like Steph and KD on their team. Their lead is growing and growing.

[Johnny Tomala]

At this point I think a top seeded team is just a narrative talking point just like the phrase "two way player". Who cares if you are a #1 seed when you are a team that has a 0 SRS, or a #1 seed that nobody is picking to win the title. If you are a number 1 seed and that's the equivalent of a 5th seed in another conference I can't take your winning narrative seriously.

But at what point is the Suns record good enough to get the MVP on their team? It's not that they have 2 superstars like Steph and KD on their team. Their lead is growing and growing.

Never, because Booker and CP3 stats aren't MVP worthy just like last season no-one picked Gobert or Mitchell to win MVP cause Jazz were 1st seed.

I'm sticking with my Giannis prediction, that I picked before season started.

[jc23]

As of now its Demar and ive only just felt this way. I cant see Chicago holding the 1 seed over the next 6 weeks so i dont think he gets it.

[Dutchball97]

As of now its Demar and ive only just felt this way. I cant see Chicago holding the 1 seed over the next 6 weeks so i dont think he gets it.

I'm having a hard time seeing the argument for DeMar. He's not really having an insane statistical season and he's not on the best team in the league either. Even if you're one of the people who want to go against the actual 3 best players in the league because their teams aren't among the best then explain why DeMar over CP3, Curry or even Ja?

[spanishninja]

I hate to say this, but I fear that you're all about to be reminded how valuable CP3 is to the team. Crossing my fingers about this MRI but being without him for potentially 4-6 weeks is gonna be bad news bears.

[GeorgeSears]

New Bontemps Straw poll:



Source: https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/33304979/nba-mvp-straw-poll-familiar-big-man-battle-brewing-top

It's coming down to Jokic and Embiid again with Giannis breathing down their necks. Steph's fall from 1 to 4 was due to having a horrible January and the Warriors struggling without Draymond.

That March 14th matchup, barring injury, might decide the MVP race similar to what happened in 2008 with Kobe and CP3.

Note: This was recorded before Giannis had his 50 point game.

[maxwellcu]

I'd like to hear from the 3 people who left Giannis out of their top 5, along with the 5 people who left Jokic out of their top 5.

... seems kind of weird to do strategic voting in a straw poll, but OK, I guess?

[Wolfgang630]

How does Giannis and Joker not have 100 votes too? The heck

[jc23]

As of now its Demar and ive only just felt this way. I cant see Chicago holding the 1 seed over the next 6 weeks so i dont think he gets it.

I'm having a hard time seeing the argument for DeMar. He's not really having an insane statistical season and he's not on the best team in the league either. Even if you're one of the people who want to go against the actual 3 best players in the league because their teams aren't among the best then explain why DeMar over CP3, Curry or even Ja?

He hits just about every category;

1) team has surpassed expectations (people said chicago would be a play in team and they havent made the playoffs in a long time)
2) Best record in the conference
3) Done so with multiple injuries to key players
4) Very good numbers (but like you said not insane)
5) and has never won MVP (which does work against you with this award)

Of all the players getting consideration he probably receives the least love from espn which does hurt his chances.

[darmani]

At this point I think a top seeded team is just a narrative talking point just like the phrase "two way player". Who cares if you are a #1 seed when you are a team that has a 0 SRS, or a #1 seed that nobody is picking to win the title. If you are a number 1 seed and that's the equivalent of a 5th seed in another conference I can't take your winning narrative seriously.

But at what point is the Suns record good enough to get the MVP on their team? It's not that they have 2 superstars like Steph and KD on their team. Their lead is growing and growing.

Never, because Booker and CP3 stats aren't MVP worthy just like last season no-one picked Gobert or Mitchell to win MVP cause Jazz were 1st seed.

I'm sticking with my Giannis prediction, that I picked before season started.

Huge difference between 2021 Jazz and 2022 Suns.

2021:
#1 Jazz 52-20 (59-win pace)
#2 Suns - 1 GB

2022:
#1 Suns 48-10 (68-win pace)
#2 Warriors - 6.5 GB

[Ron Swanson]

I'd love to see any statistical argument that supports Embiid over Giannis, because especially now that Giannis has temporarily claimed the scoring title, I'm struggling to find one. It's been down to Jokic/Giannis for a while and I see no reason why that's gonna change. Whatever happens, it's gonna be a shame that one of those two guys misses out on an MVP, because it'll go down as one of the best individual seasons to not take home the award, ala 2008 CP3, 1973 Kareem, etc.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

I'd like to hear from the 3 people who left Giannis out of their top 5, along with the 5 people who left Jokic out of their top 5.

... seems kind of weird to do strategic voting in a straw poll, but OK, I guess?

Also a dick move to do strategic voting at all. This isn't some election with consequence, it is just a MVP race and you should just vote normally. Your vote shouldn't count more than others based on the way you vote.

[GeorgeSears]

How does Giannis and Joker not have 100 votes too? The heck

According to Bontemps:

The Philadelphia 76ers center, who had 45 first-place votes and finished with 789 total points, was the only player selected to all 100 ballots submitted. Jokic, meanwhile, finished with 43 first-place votes and had 754 points -- while being left off of five ballots completely.

Had Jokic simply been in second place on each of those five ballots, the two superstar centers would've been in a tie.

It's not a big deal, because all three will end up on ballots when the actual voting takes place. Consider it a dead heat till the finish line.

[Madhouse]

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[Mickey8]

I thought it was Embiid's win landslide , by the mainstream media coverage, I am surprised Jokic is that close.

[Statlanta]

Kevin Durant went from consensus top 3 to 8th. That's tuff

[Duke4life831]

Ya anyone that doesn't have Jokic and Giannis in their top 5 for MVP don't deserve to vote for MVP. It's pretty much that simple.

[bebopdeluxe]

Embiid fell out of the race the second his team lost by 50. It’s a two horse race.

And the flopping was disgraceful.
If Giannis abuse him tonight he is out of the race.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[bebopdeluxe]

I thought it was Embiid's win landslide , by the mainstream media coverage, I am surprised Jokic is that close.

No - you have it backwards. According to RealGM it is JOKIC in a landslide, remember?

(don't pay attention to those stubborn Vegas odds)

[bebopdeluxe]

I'd love to see any statistical argument that supports Embiid over Giannis, because especially now that Giannis has temporarily claimed the scoring title, I'm struggling to find one. It's been down to Jokic/Giannis for a while and I see no reason why that's gonna change. Whatever happens, it's gonna be a shame that one of those two guys misses out on an MVP, because it'll go down as one of the best individual seasons to not take home the award, ala 2008 CP3, 1973 Kareem, etc.

There is none, but that's OK!

To the best of my knowledge, it is not the "MOST STATISTICALLY AMAZING PLAYER" award. It is the MOST VALUABLE PLAYER award.

I hope that clears things up for you. Thanks!