Safe to say, Chet "Hologram" Holgrem > Paolo Banchero

[basketballRob]

Pay attention you aren't getting your stats from NBA.com, and that's what we go by here.

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Dude, you just confused the pre-season for the regular season. I was going to avoid rubbing your nose into it, but you're being snotty about it you need to feel some consequences.

Here's the #1 thing: Common sense should have told you that the data you were looking at made no sense. By sharing this data and being so snotty you showed not only that you made the beginner navigation mistake, but that you weren't really able to think this stuff through on your own.

I'm in the middle of a training class at my job, so I don't have time to do a lot of research. Congratulations on putting Paolo in his place after he averaged 32/9/6 in the last 6 games. Only Lebron, Doncic, and TMac have done that at his age

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[ogmagicfan]

Using advanced stats to describe everything is how you end up saying Rudy Gobert is a better offensive & defensive players than Dwight in his prime, when neither are true.

Paolo's On/Off would be better if he simply had a team that wasnt a bottom 5 3 pt shooting team by percentage & volume. He's facing double & triple teams on the regular, while every team runs a zone against us. All without a PG who can actually run an offense & get players easy baskets

Every basket the Magic get, we have to work hard for it. Paolo scored the vast majority of his shots unassisted. He rarely ever gets easy baskets off passes, while Chet gets and endless amount of easy baskets off the gravity of a roster full of shooters and a top 5 superstar in SGA.

Trying to use advanced stats to understand a player who just turned 21 a couple weeks ago, and is continuing to develop, opposed to actually watching him play, is a disservice to the debate at hand

[Ayt]

Will Chet ever score 43 points in his career? I like him but probably not. My guess is Paolo ends up with more 50 point games than Chet does 35

Btw if you swap out Fultz or Suggs for SGA, does Orlando have the same record as the Thunder? I think the answer is a pretty safe yes

He had 36 in his 13th career game and you think 43 is out of reach in his entire career? What?

[SOUL]

Yeah, not to be a dick, but yeah, Rob, if you're arguing that LeBron was a net negative player 4 years in.. you're reading the wrong numbers.

However, I do want to say that diving into numbers without watching the games is dangerous too. If you look back at someone like, say, Iverson.. those stats efficiency wise do not look pretty, but then you see the roster around him and how much attention he drew and how he obviously was the engine of that team, it's a whole diff story.

Paolo still takes a lot of inefficient shots, so-so finisher, FT shooting is hit or miss, turnovers get a bit high some games.. but he demands a lot of attention and until the last 4 games has been working with maybe the worst spacing in the league. The fact that he can still have that sort of gravity as an offensive hub and put up numbers like that as a 21 year old, keeping us in games against way better, healthier teams.. it's only positive in my eyes.

I don't know how Chet would do if he was asked to play the role Paolo is now. I don't know if he's that type of guy yet in terms of being the #1 with a lot of usage and asked to run the offense - but he's perfect for what OKC is wanting to do. If the roles were switched, I feel like Paolo would not be great in a Chet sort of role either where he has to focus on more specific areas.

[basketballRob]

Regular season SGA has been garbage most of his career based on advanced stats. No wonder his teams have usually been bad. Hopefully, he doesn't revert back when the schedule gets tough.

https://www.nba.com/stats/player/1628983

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[RookieStar]

It’s the truth. It’s not slander just because you don’t like hearing it.

Have you even watch our games? We are hurting when we don't have Paolo's gravity in our offense.

We literally dumped the ball to him during crunch time and ask him to do whatever. You really think we will be better if we had anybody else with the ball?

And how is that working for you? The Magic are 21st in offense, and 26th in crunch time offense. You may be hurting at times but it doesn’t look like Paolo is doing much to alleviate those pains.

You guys are trying to credit Paolo for being a “first option” regardless of the actual results. Kyle Kuzma is a first option. He better than Chet?

Its working out great. Especially looking at our injured list. Past 3 games alone shows that he delivers... shades of our Tmac era where we have 1 superstar and a bunch of GLeague or whateverr we used to call them early 2000.

Bear in mind we have 2 starters injured 80% of the season so far and 3 key rotational players out more than 50% also.

Paolo has been carrying us so far.

[thelead]

Through all the hate, I'm locked in to watch Chet tonight... hoping he plays well. I love his brand of basketball.

[zero rings]

Regular season SGA has been garbage most of his career based on advanced stats. No wonder his teams have usually been bad. Hopefully, he doesn't revert back when the schedule gets tough.

https://www.nba.com/stats/player/1628983

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You’re trying to make a point, but Shai’s impact and efficiency numbers on a tanking Thunder team still put Paolo’s to shame.

[basketballRob]

Regular season SGA has been garbage most of his career based on advanced stats. No wonder his teams have usually been bad. Hopefully, he doesn't revert back when the schedule gets tough.

https://www.nba.com/stats/player/1628983

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You’re trying to make a point, but Shai’s impact and efficiency numbers on a tanking Thunder team still put Paolo’s to shame.

It looked like he was driving the tank for a few years. His net rating sucked.

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[thelead]

the pettiness in here is hilarious

[tooler]

the pettiness in here is hilarious

I've started thinking of basketballRob as a verb for the people he suckers into these endless slap fights. Heck, even I got tricked into it.

You just got basketballRobbed!

Meanwhile, I'm perfectly content that Paolo improved his 3PT shooting, assists, and defense in year two. Chet may surpass him, but I'm happy.

[ORLMagicGirl15]

Y’all got too much time. You all are arguing against each other and yet y’all probably don’t watch the other play.

[basketballRob]

the pettiness in here is hilarious

I've started thinking of basketballRob as a verb for the people he suckers into these endless slap fights. Heck, even I got tricked into it.

You just got basketballRobbed!

Meanwhile, I'm perfectly content that Paolo improved his 3PT shooting, assists, and defense in year two. Chet may surpass him, but I'm happy.

I don't think I've said anything negative about Chet. I've just defended Paolo.

I used SGA as an example of how people use net rating and advanced stats when it fits their agenda but discard them when they don't.

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[RookieStar]

the pettiness ink here is hilarious

I know. Lol

And to think a lot of us are fans of both Chet and Paolo during the draft.....





( and Ivey )

[basketballRob]

Chet has a big game today.

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[AddiFB]

Why can't people just enjoy good basketball and players? Why does it always have to be X is better than Y and then fighting over frigging advanced stats...

Just enjoy the game.

[FrightCoward]

Chet has a big game today.

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He’s in the negative after 3 quarters. Empty stats, right? Lol.

[thelead]

Chet has a big game today.

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He’s in the negative after 3 quarters. Empty stats, right? Lol.

Yeah, they're better off without him tonight

[ThunderBolt]

Just a clarification, Lebron James didn’t make the finals his rookie season. The Cavs finished 35-47.

[Doctor MJ]

Pay attention you aren't getting your stats from NBA.com, and that's what we go by here.

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Dude, you just confused the pre-season for the regular season. I was going to avoid rubbing your nose into it, but you're being snotty about it you need to feel some consequences.

Here's the #1 thing: Common sense should have told you that the data you were looking at made no sense. By sharing this data and being so snotty you showed not only that you made the beginner navigation mistake, but that you weren't really able to think this stuff through on your own.

I'm in the middle of a training class at my job, so I don't have time to do a lot of research. Congratulations on putting Paolo in his place after he averaged 32/9/6 in the last 6 games. Only Lebron, Doncic, and TMac have done that at his age

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My friend, you're the one who came into this dialogue with the condescending attitude, not me. And you're the one who said "round here we use..." to 19 year veteran of the site about a resource you clearly aren't that used to using relating to a type of statistic you clearly aren't used to thinking about.

Everyone understands a technical mistake, but when you make them while acting like a brat, you don't get to blame it on your training class. Just change the attitude and you won't have a situation like this.