ScrantonBulls wrote:The4thHorseman wrote:MavsDirk41 wrote:
So Love, Bosh, and Irving were never selected to the nba all star team multiple times prior to playing with Lebron James? So if an nba player is a multi-selected all star is that player not established as one of the best players in the nba?
What had they established in the postseason over a combined 16 seasons?
Yet he scoffs at the addition of Dennis Rodman, who was a 2-time DPOY and NBA champion, and the year before being acquired was the rebounding champ, All-Defensive 1st team and All-NBA 3rd team.
So Rodman’s accolades count, while being a multiple All-Star doesn’t if you join up with LeBron ?. I somehow doubt LeBron sought out players who had All-Star status undeservedly as I have said previously. On the other hand the best players from poorly run franchises who don’t see much chance of success if they stay at their existing franchise are precisely the players most likely to want to join up with LeBron, having made the same evaluation LeBron did at the Cavs the first time.
It is amusing to see the same posters who take Jordan partisans to task for supposedly not giving Pippen (or Rodman for that matter) enough credit seek to discredit LeBron’s team mates. And in particular to discredit them for lack of previous post season success when most of the statistics/metrics quoted to make LeBron’s GOAT case are dominated by regular season rather than post season performances. You yourself make a big thing about the regular season performance of the Bulls the year Jordan didn’t play. Concentrating on post season performance, which I myself obviously consider to be what really matters, is hardly your friend when comparing LeBron with Jordan. The Bulls may have won 55 regular season games without Jordan, but they didn’t win the title. They needed Jordan to take them over the top, much like Kawhi Leonard did with the Raptors who had been a well performed regular season team for several seasons but needed something extra in the play-offs. Jordan did it 6 times to Kawhi’s 2 of course. I don’t recall anyone much dismissing Kawhi’s contribution on the basis that the Raptors had been a good regular season team without him. Ironically (that word again) the first time Kawhi took a team over the top to win a title was when he came into his own in a finals series against the actual Heatles.
Another source of amusement is the contention by you and others of your ilk that LeBron’s teams collapsing with him off the court while the Jordan Bulls didn’t is somehow proof that LeBron is better. This borders on Orwellian doublethink for me, it is vaguely possible in the team sport of basketball that a whole team approach is a better strategy, and perhaps oddly Jordan himself has said he needed to become more of a team player to be successful.
