WCQF: P1 | (4) OKC Thunder vs Utah Jazz (5) | Utah wins 4-2

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Series Prediction

Thunder in 4
5
1%
Thunder in 5
37
7%
Thunder in 6
92
18%
Thunder in 7
68
13%
Jazz in 4
3
1%
Jazz in 5
37
7%
Jazz in 6
212
41%
Jazz in 7
68
13%
 
Total votes: 522

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Re: WCQF: P1 | (4) OKC Thunder vs Utah Jazz (5) | UTA 3-2 

Post#4421 » by lebron stopper » Thu Apr 26, 2018 7:23 pm

slick_watts wrote:imo the jazz feel similarly about this game as they did about game one. russell westbrook attempted 23 (!) pull-up jump shots last night at 58% eFG clip. this included 5-7 on pull-up threes, alone. sure, westbrook got a bit deeper than you want on some of these late in the game, but i think quinn snyder will be okay letting westbrook try and beat their defense this way in game six. assuming rudy gobert is not in foul trouble, most of the shenanigans near the rim should be greatly mitigated.

there are two things the jazz should feel particularly concerned about (aside from front court foul trouble, which imo won't be an issue on their home court).

first is that the thunder started switching the pnr and off screens in 3q and particularly 4q. utah is not an elite offense and shouldn't be scoring this much with rudy / ricky pnr. if the thunder continue that strategy, it could make things a little more difficult and cut down on the wide open corner threes.

second is the benching of melo and brewer. two things have been abundantly clear to anyone with eyes: if melo is on the court the thunder can't switch the pnr because he's a liability. so the jazz get open threes. and melo sucks on offense anyway. the other is that the thunder need to stretch the court as much as possible to be able to generate consistent offense v. gobert / ricky defensive battery. abrines is better than brewer.

i thought jazz in 6 before the series and i still think jazz in 6, but utah should be ready for those changes and it'll probably be a tougher game than games 3 and 4 if the thunder move ahead with them. i don't think utah is too concerned about westbrook replicating his game 5 performance on the kind of shots he was attempting.


Westbrook absolutely trashed the Raptors in their own house last month and then two nights later disappeared against an injured Celtics team that squeaked out a win. So I think if he wants to win in SLC (he does), he will do everything he can to win.

And yeah Melo and Brewer have been terrible this series. Alex Abrines was surprisingly good on Mitchell, even blocked one of his shots too! His 3 point shooting also stretches the Jazz defense more which gives Westbrook and PG more space. Also I noticed Paul George was finally guarding Mitchell sometimes instead of Brewer. I have zero idea why Brewer was guarding Mitchell to begin with...

I think if OKC stops giving up so many wide open corner threes and starts sealing off that area, they can probably lull Mitchell into hijacking the Jazz offense once again which would make him take terrible low-percentage shots. As weird as it sounds, OKC's low-probability path to victory might involve Westbrook and PG taking turns on offense... :sigh:
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Re: WCQF: P1 | (4) OKC Thunder vs Utah Jazz (5) | UTA 3-2 

Post#4422 » by RunOKC » Thu Apr 26, 2018 7:58 pm

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Post#4423 » by Impuniti » Thu Apr 26, 2018 8:19 pm

erudite23 wrote:Westbrook has taken a lot of criticism this series, and deservedly so for the most part, but the 2nd half of last night was a tour de force of all of his best attributes. His competitive fire is among the best in the game and he really is a breathtaking athlete in the open floor. When he's coming down hill and there's only one defender in his way your a**hole immediately starts to pucker up in fear. Good for him and hats off to an incredible--if ultimately flawed--player.

Jazz in game 6 is almost a lock, though. Unless PG and/or WB are performing at their very best for extended periods of time, the Jazz execution will win out. That formula heavily favors the Jazz.

Yeah it was awesome. He pretty much willed them into a win, though PG was also fantastic. Still expecting the Jazz to win game 6 as long as Gobert remains on the court.
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Re: WCQF: P1 | (4) OKC Thunder vs Utah Jazz (5) | UTA 3-2 

Post#4424 » by ken6199 » Thu Apr 26, 2018 8:25 pm

Westbrook has a high ceiling but OKC team does not? I do not agree with this saying.

This OKC's ceiling IS Westbrook's. PG can afford to have a bad game, but Westbrook cannot. You live and die with him.
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Post#4425 » by Litany » Thu Apr 26, 2018 8:54 pm

Jazz totally crapped the bed. I'm not sure I've felt more disappointment in them in a few decades of following them...I mean...where's the killer instinct in you to let them do this when up 25.

Yes a few questionable calls, and momentum is something real that can shift, but come on...this never should have happened. They blew it. Luckily they're at home. But they gave the THunder some hope. Boo.
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Post#4426 » by Mister Ze » Thu Apr 26, 2018 8:55 pm

I wonder if Billy Donovan has explored the idea of having Westbrook move without the ball. Maybe the reason why he's accused of forcing his looks is cause most of the time he just stands at the 3 point line and forces his way into the paint or shoots.

Look at how a guy like Rozier is getting his looks; tons of dribble hand-offs and off-ball screens from Horford.

I think Billy D is done regardless of whether OKC advances.
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Post#4428 » by contestedlayups » Thu Apr 26, 2018 9:20 pm

This series is over. No way Gobert, a likely top 3 finisher at least in DPOY voting, gets into serious foul trouble again.
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Post#4429 » by CoreyGallagher » Thu Apr 26, 2018 9:26 pm

contestedlayups wrote:This series is over. No way Gobert, a likely top 3 finisher at least in DPOY voting, gets into serious foul trouble again.

He's winning DPOY.
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Post#4430 » by Edrees » Thu Apr 26, 2018 9:35 pm

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pistonsbball wrote:Utah win game 6 comfortably. Jazz have been clearly the better team the whole series, a hot OKC run doesn't change that. Can't count on Westbrook to make contested pull up 3's.



You are probably right, however, you must not forgot the playoffs tell a story line. Utah has been the better team but this sure as hell was demoralizing for them. They have to win Game 6 and they realize if they don't, they won't win Game 7 in OKC. I am not sure OKC can sustain a good performance for Game 6. I certainly hope so but we shall see. 3-1 is never impossible to come from them if you have the right mentality and flip a switch.


The jazz don't think they couldn't win a game 7. They won in OKC already and had a 20+ pt lead in game 5. This isn't some series where every team only won at home.
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Post#4431 » by Edrees » Thu Apr 26, 2018 9:40 pm

Patches Perry wrote:If you only complain about bad fouls against your team and grow quiet during the fouls that benefit your team, then your crying is just sour grapes.

Gobert got a tough whistle tonight, but Thunder had a tough whistle in previous games. That's home-cooking.


I agree but I feel if the situation occurs where the away team gets all the calls then it's fair grounds to complain. (That's not happening in this series but just saying that's the only time such behavior is grounded)

edit: sorry for the double post, sometimes I forget I'm posting in the same thread.
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Post#4432 » by JustOneFix » Thu Apr 26, 2018 10:17 pm

If OKC move Melo to the bench or just limit his minutes and put Grant in there (which they won't) they could be winning the series. If not, they'll get blown out in Utah by 30.

It's simple as that.
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Post#4433 » by kuclas » Thu Apr 26, 2018 10:22 pm

Gobert is the key for Utah. He can erase a lot of mistakes on defense. Take him out, Utah has serious problems. Not just the defense. But the transition game that comes from Gobert's defense.
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Post#4434 » by picc » Thu Apr 26, 2018 11:29 pm

If Gobert plays big mins Utah will win. If he sits in foul trouble okc will win. Its as simple as that. We'll see what happens.
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Post#4435 » by nbafan38 » Fri Apr 27, 2018 12:09 am

Biggest game of Westbrooks career tomorrow, if he can overcome a 3-1 defect to get out of the first round he can change the narrative and give George a glimmer of reason to consider staying, if they lose George is gone, Westbrook perceived as a choker/underachiever, fair or not, this series is a referendum on Westbrooks career.
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Post#4436 » by knuckles862 » Fri Apr 27, 2018 1:02 am

The good new for the jazz is westbrook will probably take those same shots again but more than likely miss them all
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Post#4437 » by CodeBreaker » Fri Apr 27, 2018 1:09 am

Imagine if they suspended Westbrook last game
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Post#4438 » by KDBG » Fri Apr 27, 2018 5:59 am

Let's see if the kid can back it up. I hope so. That kind of comeback can demoralize a team. But I'm sure he, Quin, and Rudy will have the team ready.

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Post#4439 » by Cappy_Smurf » Fri Apr 27, 2018 7:47 am

picc wrote:If Gobert plays big mins Utah will win. If he sits in foul trouble okc will win. Its as simple as that. We'll see what happens.


FWIW, Gobert missed half the game with foul trouble last year in game 7 against the clippers, and Utah won anyway thanks to a huge game from Favors. Utah also won the 1st game of that series without Rudy, as he was injured on the first play of the game.

While it's true that Utah has a big advantage with Gobert, it's not true at all that Utah can't win without him.
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Post#4440 » by WestbrookGOATed » Fri Apr 27, 2018 8:06 am

KDBG wrote:Let's see if the kid can back it up. I hope so. That kind of comeback can demoralize a team. But I'm sure he, Quin, and Rudy will have the team ready.

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