Shams: Jrue Holiday Traded to Bucks for Eric Bledsoe, George Hill, Three 1st Round Picks, 2 Future Draft Pick Swaps

[blazza18]

this is a horrific trade for the bucks. 5 picks for Holiday is crazy, he cannot take over a game and be that guy.

Man put up 40 in a close out game 2 seasons back and he can't takeover a game apparently.

[Yeezus_]

I like both trades for the Bucks.

Bucks starting five now has four above average 3 point shooters and four good playmakers. Spacing and playmaking in abundance.

Only negative is Bucks have depleted all of their depth.

Budenholzer will have no choice but to play his starters 40 plus minutes each game in the playoffs.

I expect Bud to cap the starters minutes in the regular season to keep them fresh for the playoffs.

Lol Jrue and Lopez are not above average 3 point shooters. Jrue is average at best, Lopez is mediocre.

None of them are elite playmakers which will be pronounced in the playoffs. Jrue, Bogdan and Giannis are average playmakers.

[Alatan]

and people thought the knicks absorbing westbrooks contract and sending them a late first was to much LIKE WOW what a massive haul. Westbrooks price just went up

Jrue is better than Westbrook if you want to actually win games.

So then Jrue should have a winnning record right? I mean hey any player worth 3 1st round picks you would think might be the best player in the world.

Sorry first of JRUE is not the better player. Second Neither is worth 3 1st round picks . 3rd. Jrue had anthony davis and they didnt do sheet. I doubt they do anything in mil. Wanna place a friendly wager?

Westbrook had Kevin Durant, James Harden, PG13 and still didnt do ****. So i stand by my statement that Jrue is a better player if you want to win games.

[ATRAIN53]

Pretty good point made by Chris Vernon on his recent podcast-

What if Milwaukee had just re-signed Malcom Brogdon last year?

Would have been cheaper and they would still have all those picks.

It does seem a lot of podders think MIL gave up too much now for Holiday that the dust is settling.
We'll see, if they win it doesn't matter. Holiday is an enigma to me. We never saw JRue and AD win much or be a huge threat down there on NO - they should have - but they never won more than 50 games with them. Even had Boogie for 1/2 of a season too.

Did ML just give up one of the picks they got for trading Brogdon to IND too in this deal?

[Lalouie]

winner imo is the bucks because it PROBABLY means they keep giannis regardless of whether he resigns,,,,he will ultimately stay. the problem, and this he knows, has been HIS failure in the playoffs. he has been negated and that is not supposed to happen to a 2x mvp.

so mil is holding up their end of the bargain - they're mixing things up and making moves as best they can for a small market team. giannis understands the situation and he has to reciprocate, starting with developing a nice unstoppable, 65%, 15' > 7'er which i think is within his reach,,,and stop wasting time on the 3pt shot

maybe get some help from hakeem or tim or robinson, or one of their ilk

[Lalouie]

jrue has been spending his whole career on losing 30win teams.

the only players who make a difference on such teams are the elite superstars. jrue is not one of them so he should not be evaluated as such. he is NOT going to turn a 30win team into a contender. put him on a clip team, buck team where he can add value to a team that has value. flat out he is regarded by ELITE players as an elite defender. how many players in this league can you describe as "elite" in anything

last i saw KAT was playing on the 30win team and the only time minnie won over 40 they had thibs, butler, teague, wiggins, crawford, gibson, and rose to help him

[pontius]

Horrible overpay for Jrue. He's a solid player, but he's no difference maker. 30 years old, very little playoff experience, spent his entire career with losing teams, history of knee and elbow injuries, etc. He'll be better than Bledsoe although that's not saying much.

[LUKE23]

I've seen "5 picks" said multiple times. It's not five picks, it's three picks and two swaps (and the swaps likely won't happen unless Giannis gets injured).

Assuming Giannis signs the supermax, that eliminates everything through the 2026 draft as legitimate odds to be very good unless the Bucks have injuries. The 2027 protected pick is the one asset that is a massive unknown, Giannis could be gone by then or the team could look way different. But in all likelihood, the Bucks are going to be really, really, really good the next five years and those first rounders are going to be near the second round.

[kanahda ballz]

I like both trades for the Bucks.

Bucks starting five now has four above average 3 point shooters and four good playmakers. Spacing and playmaking in abundance.

Only negative is Bucks have depleted all of their depth.

Budenholzer will have no choice but to play his starters 40 plus minutes each game in the playoffs.

I expect Bud to cap the starters minutes in the regular season to keep them fresh for the playoffs.

Lol Jrue and Lopez are not above average 3 point shooters. Jrue is average at best, Lopez is mediocre.

None of them are elite playmakers which will be pronounced in the playoffs. Jrue, Bogdan and Giannis are average playmakers.

Lopez a mediocre shooter

He shot .396 in the playoffs this season. He had an off 3 point shooting season (.314) in 19-20, but the 3 seasons before that he averaged .352 on 3's which is well above average for a center.

Ibaka averaged .290 on 3's in 18-19, would you call him a mediocre shooter because he had one below average season of shooting 3's?

And Holiday is a career .354 three point shooter in the regular season-which is average-however he showed that he can hit 3's at an above average rate in previous seasons and in the playoffs.

That being said, my original point is I believe the Bucks are much improved after these trades.

[Yeezus_]

I like both trades for the Bucks.

Bucks starting five now has four above average 3 point shooters and four good playmakers. Spacing and playmaking in abundance.

Only negative is Bucks have depleted all of their depth.

Budenholzer will have no choice but to play his starters 40 plus minutes each game in the playoffs.

I expect Bud to cap the starters minutes in the regular season to keep them fresh for the playoffs.

Lol Jrue and Lopez are not above average 3 point shooters. Jrue is average at best, Lopez is mediocre.

None of them are elite playmakers which will be pronounced in the playoffs. Jrue, Bogdan and Giannis are average playmakers.

Lopez a mediocre shooter

He shot .396 in the playoffs this season. He had an off 3 point shooting season (.314) in 19-20, but the 3 seasons before that he averaged .352 on 3's which is well above average for a center.

Ibaka averaged .290 on 3's in 18-19, would you call him a mediocre shooter because he had one below average season of shooting 3's?

And Holiday is a career .354 three point shooter in the regular season-which is average-however he showed that he can hit 3's at an above average rate in previous seasons and in the playoffs.

That being said, my original point is I believe the Bucks are much improved after these trades.

Firstly, Ibaka has shot over 38% in 4 of the last 6 seasons. Neither Jrue or Brook ever shot that well. Like I said, Brook and Jrue are not above average shooters. Shooting 35% is not above average regardless of position, which Jrue and Brook are well under.

You also say Jrue shot well in the playoffs, Jrue has shot 25% and 32% in his last two playoffs lol.

[Smirk]

Here's the unvarnished, unbiased skinny on Jrue:

He is a good player, but not a great one. He is an unbelievable individual defender when he wants to be (which just isn't always the case), but is just an average team defender. Offensively, he will be up and down. He can have spectacular games and then disappear for awhile. He turns the ball over way more than he should.

He is an amazing person in the community and everyone's favorite teammate. He works really really hard. But he is NOT a vocal leader and will not get on anyone, he is very quiet and wants to lead by example.

And he will start every season for the first 10-15 games playing like dog..stuff.

That's just who he is. As a man he will be missed here in NOLA. Great guy. But in my opinion he has gone from underrated to a bit overrated and the haul we got for him was flat out plain absurd.

[John Murdoch]

So who needs Bledsoe? Cant see him being a longterm piece for Griff

[Masai4PM]

I'm a big fan of Jrue Holiday and feel he is probably under rated in the league due to his great defence, ability to create his own shot, setting up others, etc.

But given his track record of injuries, already being 30 years old and not getting any better, he is a borderline all star that's never been on a winning team, the price paid to acquire him is quite large.

Bucks are desperate clearly.

[DoItALL9]

How much less would Westbrook have required?

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[John Murdoch]

2pts/2TO/1stl/1reb on 1/6 from the field...tf is going on

[RyderMike]

Worth it

[JXL]

It worked out for both teams. Milwaukee got a title, New Orleans got ammo and hopefully move Bledsoe for something (I got nothing).

[Wallace_Wallace]

Totally worth it. This dude probably the strongest point guard besides Chauncey Billups/Jason Kidd.