2021-22 NBA MVP Discussion (Pt.2)

[JoeyLightYears]

CP3 should be MVP the same way Nash was in 2005. The Suns are far and away the best team in the league and he's their best player.

[Kurtz]

CP3 should be MVP the same way Nash was in 2005. The Suns are far and away the best team in the league and he's their best player.

That's a controversial MVP though. Probably shoulda gone to Kobe that year.

[JoeyLightYears]

CP3 should be MVP the same way Nash was in 2005. The Suns are far and away the best team in the league and he's their best player.

That's a controversial MVP though. Probably shoulda gone to Kobe that year.

You're thinking of 2006 (and honestly LeBron should have won it that year.. Kobe's Lakers won 45 games). Nash deserved the 2005 MVP just like CP3 deserves the 2022 MVP. Very similar situations where one could argue they aren't even the best players on their own team aside from dominating all of the advanced stats and narrative.

[Kurtz]

CP3 should be MVP the same way Nash was in 2005. The Suns are far and away the best team in the league and he's their best player.

That's a controversial MVP though. Probably shoulda gone to Kobe that year.

You're thinking of 2006 (and honestly LeBron should have won it that year.. Kobe's Lakers won 45 games). Nash deserved the 2005 MVP just like CP3 deserves the 2022 MVP. Very similar situations where one could argue they aren't even the best players on their own team aside from dominating all of the advanced stats and narrative.

Hmm, the Nash argument works both ways though - Nash did win that 2nd MVP in 2005-2006 despite Duncan's Spurs finishing well ahead of Phoenix that year.

[JoeyLightYears]

That's a controversial MVP though. Probably shoulda gone to Kobe that year.

You're thinking of 2006 (and honestly LeBron should have won it that year.. Kobe's Lakers won 45 games). Nash deserved the 2005 MVP just like CP3 deserves the 2022 MVP. Very similar situations where one could argue they aren't even the best players on their own team aside from dominating all of the advanced stats and narrative.

Hmm, the Nash argument works both ways though - Nash did win that 2nd MVP in 2005-2006 despite Duncan's Spurs finishing well ahead of Phoenix that year.

Yeah, Nash didn't deserve it in 2005-2006. I'm talking about 2004-2005, which is a very good comparison to the Suns this year. It's true that a lot of times the MVP doesn't come from the best team, but usually there are a bunch of teams bunched at the top. This year the Suns are obliterating the league.

[Mickey8]

I thought it was Embiid's win landslide , by the mainstream media coverage, I am surprised Jokic is that close.

No - you have it backwards. According to RealGM it is JOKIC in a landslide, remember?

(don't pay attention to those stubborn Vegas odds)

I think real gm posters know more about basketball than lamestream media though . I am surprised Jokic being in the top2 in voting this season, even though he's never mentioned on the major networks as the candidate , all they do is try to diminish him as one.

Watch on YouTube

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Take this video for an example, Broussard is disqualifying Jokic and Doncic as the MVP candidates because they are 5th and 6th place in the Western Conference currently, even though Denver is only one game behind Sixers and Dallas have better record than them , and Philadelphia is the 5th in the East, yet Embiid in their opinion is the leading candidate by far , no logic whatsoever . And people like Broussard are having right to vote , so I am shocked that Jokic have that much of potential votes.

[Mickey8]

CP3 should be MVP the same way Nash was in 2005. The Suns are far and away the best team in the league and he's their best player.

No he shouldn't , the Suns team is loaded and they started their turn in the bubble before Paul got there , Paul is doing great job but he's not more valuable to his team than some other top candidates, he should be mentioned in the race but he shouldn't win it

[eyeatoma]

I thought it was Embiid's win landslide , by the mainstream media coverage, I am surprised Jokic is that close.

No - you have it backwards. According to RealGM it is JOKIC in a landslide, remember?

(don't pay attention to those stubborn Vegas odds)

This!! The board has been relentlessly on Jokic's knob this whole season, and guess what. Just like the Vegas Odds, Embiid leads the straw poll by a small margin just like a few of us were saying was going to happen.

Lol at people trying to twist this the other way around. Never change GB.

Holy ****, this place will be in utter shambles if Embiid actually wins the MVP. I truly wonder if some of you will be able to handle it like rational human beings.

[LukaTheGOAT]

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Any guesses?

[Sharkboy242]

I thought it was Embiid's win landslide , by the mainstream media coverage, I am surprised Jokic is that close.

No - you have it backwards. According to RealGM it is JOKIC in a landslide, remember?

(don't pay attention to those stubborn Vegas odds)

This!! The board has been relentlessly on Jokic's knob this whole season, and guess what. Just like the Vegas Odds, Embiid leads the straw poll by a small margin just like a few of us were saying was going to happen.

Lol at people trying to twist this the other way around. Never change GB.

Holy ****, this place will be in utter shambles if Embiid actually wins the MVP. I truly wonder if some of you will be able to handle it like rational human beings.

What? Just because everyone here likes Jokic doesn't mean we think that carries over to mainstream basketball media.

Everyone knows that outside of these forums, the talking heads have an anti-Jokic bias due to him not being athletic and lacking the traditional attributes of a 'dominant' player. You could argue that a lot of the Jokic fanboyism has been in response to his lack of respect from the general media.

[eyeatoma]

No - you have it backwards. According to RealGM it is JOKIC in a landslide, remember?

(don't pay attention to those stubborn Vegas odds)

This!! The board has been relentlessly on Jokic's knob this whole season, and guess what. Just like the Vegas Odds, Embiid leads the straw poll by a small margin just like a few of us were saying was going to happen.

Lol at people trying to twist this the other way around. Never change GB.

Holy ****, this place will be in utter shambles if Embiid actually wins the MVP. I truly wonder if some of you will be able to handle it like rational human beings.

What? Just because everyone here likes Jokic doesn't mean we think that carries over to mainstream basketball media.

Everyone knows that outside of these forums, the talking heads have an anti-Jokic bias due to him not being athletic and lacking the traditional attributes of a 'dominant' player. You could argue that a lot of the Jokic fanboyism has been in response to his lack of respect from the general media.

Yeah fair enough that might be your take, but many on here don't respond as logically as you.

[bebopdeluxe]

No - you have it backwards. According to RealGM it is JOKIC in a landslide, remember?

(don't pay attention to those stubborn Vegas odds)

This!! The board has been relentlessly on Jokic's knob this whole season, and guess what. Just like the Vegas Odds, Embiid leads the straw poll by a small margin just like a few of us were saying was going to happen.

Lol at people trying to twist this the other way around. Never change GB.

Holy ****, this place will be in utter shambles if Embiid actually wins the MVP. I truly wonder if some of you will be able to handle it like rational human beings.

What? Just because everyone here likes Jokic doesn't mean we think that carries over to mainstream basketball media.

Everyone knows that outside of these forums, the talking heads have an anti-Jokic bias due to him not being athletic and lacking the traditional attributes of a 'dominant' player. You could argue that a lot of the Jokic fanboyism has been in response to his lack of respect from the general media.

STOP. Just please. STOP.

All of this xenophobic crap is simply utter garbage. The guys setting the lines in Vegas would install A FROG as the low odds on the board if, in their opinion, the said FROG was believed to be the most likely person to win the MVP.

Never change, GB.

[GeorgeSears]

The Nuggets have the easiest schedule coming up in March and 9th easiest overall remaining. Whereas the Bucks have the toughest remaining schedule and the Sixers have the 10th toughest remaining. That certainly will play into Jokic's favor if the Nuggets can string together a bunch of wins to help bolster the team record to go along with his already dominant Individual play. Murray, hopefully, will return at some point next month.

Source: https://www.tankathon.com/remaining_schedule_strength

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

From a biased Bucks fan POV:
Does Harden hurt Embiids MVP chances?
1. Takes away stats when splitting the scoring between Harden and Harris
2. Expectations are higher. If they sputter at the start line and finish 5th in the East, it looks a lot worse than 5th in the East with Simmons not suiting up.

[Madhouse]

I thought it was Embiid's win landslide , by the mainstream media coverage, I am surprised Jokic is that close.

No - you have it backwards. According to RealGM it is JOKIC in a landslide, remember?

(don't pay attention to those stubborn Vegas odds)

vegas is just slow.

I remember when Curry was still the runaway favorite according to vegas in like January despite clearly falling off.

Within a month from now, Embiid won't be favored anymore. Remember this post.

[eyeatoma]

From a biased Bucks fan POV:
Does Harden hurt Embiids MVP chances?
1. Takes away stats when splitting the scoring between Harden and Harris
2. Expectations are higher. If they sputter at the start line and finish 5th in the East, it looks a lot worse than 5th in the East with Simmons not suiting up.

Not sure that will happen. They need Harden mainly in the 4th. Harden took a backseat to KD on the Nets. Basically two elite scorers, and KD still averaged about 30 ppg. If anything Embiid should get more efficient with his scoring. There might be a slight dip, but I also would not be surprised if it's the same.

Also now Tobias becomes the 3rd or 4th option. Interchangeable with Maxey.

[Kurtz]

The Nuggets have the easiest schedule coming up in March and 9th easiest overall remaining. Whereas the Bucks have the toughest remaining schedule and the Sixers have the 10th toughest remaining. That certainly will play into Jokic's favor if the Nuggets can string together a bunch of wins to help bolster the team record to go along with his already dominant Individual play. Murray, hopefully, will return at some point next month.

Source: https://www.tankathon.com/remaining_schedule_strength

Looking at the standings, the Nuggets are pretty much locked in at 4-6. They're not touching top 3, and even 4 seems ambitious.

Philly and Bucks are more interesting, either team has a chance to finish 1st or in the play-ins. Tonight's game will be fairly impactful towards the MVP race.

[_NoMas]

The Nuggets have the easiest schedule coming up in March and 9th easiest overall remaining. Whereas the Bucks have the toughest remaining schedule and the Sixers have the 10th toughest remaining. That certainly will play into Jokic's favor if the Nuggets can string together a bunch of wins to help bolster the team record to go along with his already dominant Individual play. Murray, hopefully, will return at some point next month.

Source: https://www.tankathon.com/remaining_schedule_strength

Looking at the standings, the Nuggets are pretty much locked in at 4-6. They're not touching top 3, and even 4 seems ambitious.

Philly and Bucks are more interesting, either team has a chance to finish 1st or in the play-ins. Tonight's game will be fairly impactful towards the MVP race.

Surely record is more important then standing… are we really going to reward a player in the east with an identical record to a team in the west because they’ve got a higher seeding in the east?

[Madhouse]

The Nuggets have the easiest schedule coming up in March and 9th easiest overall remaining. Whereas the Bucks have the toughest remaining schedule and the Sixers have the 10th toughest remaining. That certainly will play into Jokic's favor if the Nuggets can string together a bunch of wins to help bolster the team record to go along with his already dominant Individual play. Murray, hopefully, will return at some point next month.

Source: https://www.tankathon.com/remaining_schedule_strength

Looking at the standings, the Nuggets are pretty much locked in at 4-6. They're not touching top 3, and even 4 seems ambitious.

Philly and Bucks are more interesting, either team has a chance to finish 1st or in the play-ins. Tonight's game will be fairly impactful towards the MVP race.

Surely record is more important then standing… are we really going to reward a player in the east with an identical record to a team in the west because they’ve got a higher seeding in the east?

That seems to be the logic by some in this thread.

[BoatsNZones]

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Any guesses?

Doubtful. But he's averaging 26/5/7 on 48/41/96 the last 3 weeks (10 games), so the shooting slump is over. Still a near 60% TS on the season, top 3 in EPM/RAPTOR and 1st in +/-, so the MVP impact never wavered. The narrative is gone though in favor of the bigger counting numbers, and I get it.

As is, the clear MVP imo is Jokic. It is interesting though that this may be the season where maintaining a top record in the conference is completely thrown out the window. Westbrook had this occur in 2017, but the first triple-double season was seen as a special mark to behold (and even then he only barely won it over Harden, who himself was not a top 2 seed). It will definitely set a precedent for future MVP's if Embiid or Jokic win it as a non HCA team (I think if Giannis wins, they will be the 1 or 2 seed).