Kendrick Perkins controversial comments on Jokic. Update: JJ Redick goes off on Perk about racism

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What perk said isn't true, but he's not entirely wrong. The majority of the media is white. Winning 3 MVPs and constantly changing the goal posts is a lil sus. The apologies and excuses made for Joker are getting old.

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So what about the previous 13 seasons before Jokic and after Dirk?

Is the "white media" also not responsible for those seasons given that you are implying bias?

Are you saying Luka should win it leading the league in scoring, or is that also "SUS"? Does that not fit the narrative?

What Perk said isn't true and also wrong. I would call you a clown, but its more likely ignorance.

Eh, Dirk deserved it. Nash didn't deserve the 2nd IMO. I think winning 3 MVPs in a row needs to be universally agreed on. It's that big of an accomplishment. His first MVP was because Embiid got hurt. His second was not as impressive when it's a 6th seed despite the roster. Especially with the season Embiid had given the turmoil in Philly.

Also where was the blow back for Joker's ejections, and what he did to Lillard.

He has a temper.

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[CIN-C-STAR]

Everyone can be racist, from a homeless person to a person with money and power. It is a state of mind. If you don't condemn open racism against white people, you don't have an issue with racism as such, you only oppose it if you or your community is on the receiving end.

Please let me know the next time you see a homeless person oppress or exert any type of negative influence on someone.

So you don't think a homeless white person can be racist?
Your arguments seem to contradict themselves tbh.

[eyeatoma]

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What perk said isn't true, but he's not entirely wrong. The majority of the media is white. Winning 3 MVPs and constantly changing the goal posts is a lil sus. The apologies and excuses made for Joker are getting old.

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What are the goal posts that are being moved so Jokic can win? The fact last year that Denver was the 6th seed? That was nothing new, Westbrook won the MVP just a few years prior being the 6th seed. This whole thing about not being top 10 in scoring? Thats nothing new even if we get away from Nash and Dirk (who was technically in the top 10 of scoring), Magic racked up MVP's while not being top 10 in scoring.

What are the goal posts that are moving and new narratives being created so these white voters can vote for him? If there is a guy that the media is going to try to bend over backwards to create new narratives to vote for a guy to win MVP, I doubt its the guy with zero social media presence, doesnt do interviews or podcasts and plays for Denver of a places.

Maybe just maybe, Jokic has been the best and most valuable player in the regular season the last 3 years. And the NBA media that votes for these awards arent a bunch of people that are racist and just waiting for the chance to vote for a white guy.

I'd say he's more deserving this year than previous years.

The 6th seed being ok last year but two years ago Embiid has the 1st seed and the next a higher seed than Joker.

This year Joker has the 1 seed in historically one of the weakest western conferences we've had while Embiid has the 3 seed in an ultra competitive eastern conference.

Goal posts...

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[Dubnation]

Everyone can be racist, from a homeless person to a person with money and power. It is a state of mind. If you don't condemn open racism against white people, you don't have an issue with racism as such, you only oppose it if you or your community is on the receiving end.

Please let me know the next time you see a homeless person oppress or exert any type of negative influence on someone.

Bring racist is an ideology. A belief system. You don't need any actual power to be racist.

The second definition here https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racist. is

b
: of, relating to, or characterized by the systemic oppression of a racial group to the social, economic, and political advantage of another
racist laws/policies
a racist society
In contrast, people of color in a racist system always face headwinds.
—Claire Gillespie

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What perk said isn't true, but he's not entirely wrong. The majority of the media is white. Winning 3 MVPs and constantly changing the goal posts is a lil sus. The apologies and excuses made for Joker are getting old.

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So what about the previous 13 seasons before Jokic and after Dirk?

Is the "white media" also not responsible for those seasons given that you are implying bias?

Are you saying Luka should win it leading the league in scoring, or is that also "SUS"? Does that not fit the narrative?

What Perk said isn't true and also wrong. I would call you a clown, but its more likely ignorance.

Eh, Dirk deserved it. Nash didn't deserve the 2nd IMO. I think winning 3 MVPs in a row needs to be universally agreed on. It's that big of an accomplishment. His first MVP was because Embiid got hurt. His second was not as impressive when it's a 6th seed despite the roster. Especially with the season Embiid had given the turmoil in Philly.

Also where was the blow back for Joker's ejections, and what he did to Lillard.

He has a temper.

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If this was a black athlete it would not go unnoticed.



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So now your goalposts have moved to:

1. Winning the MVP 3x is hard. He won it, but it wasn’t legitimate previously because reasons…. This season he deserves it but Perk is kinda right because white media ?

2. Jokic had a temper and that should also factor into the MVP talk because it would matter if he was black (?)

So you are either an Embiid 76er homer or racist. Maybe both? I can’t tell.

[jokeboy86]

Perkins doesn't believe anything he says. Not that long ago he thought Jokic was one of his favorite players.

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Which is why Perk is laughing at the world. ESPN brought Perkins in because they want him to be their Charles Barkley but he's more like a great value Barkley. Perkins was saying months ago that Jokic was the MVP and was praising him and came up with a nickname for him. ESPN producers and Perkins know what generates clicks and comments and if they have to bring up race well so be it. Now do I think Redick was probably a little peeved and annoyed by Perkins comments and his shilling for clicks? Of course and I think with Redick this is probably a little more personal for him because he was a prominent high profile white bb player at Duke so he's probably heard some of these comments that are right now being directed at Jokic.

Again this all boils down to Jokic not being a "star" and also the fact he's European(and white). Some of this "discourse" already sounds like people are probably going to make noise if the voters give it to Luka somewhere in the future. This all kind of reminds me of boxing. No one had a problem with heavyweight boxing being global as long as the top fighters were American. Everybody wants the NBA to be global as long as the elite players are all exclusively American.

[Dubnation]

Everyone can be racist, from a homeless person to a person with money and power. It is a state of mind. If you don't condemn open racism against white people, you don't have an issue with racism as such, you only oppose it if you or your community is on the receiving end.

Please let me know the next time you see a homeless person oppress or exert any type of negative influence on someone.

So you don't think a homeless white person can be racist?
Your arguments seem to contradict themselves tbh.

You're confusing racism with prejudice. You're not alone. It's a common mistake.

[letskissbro]

Jokic isn't undeserving but he clearly doesn't suffer from the same arbitrary arguments that black players do.

If LeBron's name was LeBronović he'd have the 2006 and 2011 MVPs.

[eyeatoma]

Everyone can be racist, from a homeless person to a person with money and power. It is a state of mind. If you don't condemn open racism against white people, you don't have an issue with racism as such, you only oppose it if you or your community is on the receiving end.

Please let me know the next time you see a homeless person oppress or exert any type of negative influence on someone.

Clearly you've never been to Portland...

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[eyeatoma]

So what about the previous 13 seasons before Jokic and after Dirk?

Is the "white media" also not responsible for those seasons given that you are implying bias?

Are you saying Luka should win it leading the league in scoring, or is that also "SUS"? Does that not fit the narrative?

What Perk said isn't true and also wrong. I would call you a clown, but its more likely ignorance.

Eh, Dirk deserved it. Nash didn't deserve the 2nd IMO. I think winning 3 MVPs in a row needs to be universally agreed on. It's that big of an accomplishment. His first MVP was because Embiid got hurt. His second was not as impressive when it's a 6th seed despite the roster. Especially with the season Embiid had given the turmoil in Philly.

Also where was the blow back for Joker's ejections, and what he did to Lillard.

He has a temper.

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If this was a black athlete it would not go unnoticed.



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So now your goalposts have moved to:

1. Winning the MVP 3x is hard. He won it, but it wasn’t legitimate previously because reasons…. This season he deserves it but Perk is kinda right because white media ?

2. Jokic had a temper and that should also factor into the MVP talk because it would matter if he was black (?)

So you are either an Embiid 76er homer or racist. Maybe both? I can’t tell.

The temper is about the white privilege offered to Jokic. Don't put words into my mouth.

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Jokic isn't undeserving but he clearly doesn't suffer from the same arbitrary arguments that black players do.

If LeBron's name was LeBronović he'd have the 2006 and 2011 MVPs.

And if Nikola Jokic was Jamal Johnson none of this would be a discussion at all.

See how that works?

[eyeatoma]

Jokic isn't undeserving but he clearly doesn't suffer from the same arbitrary arguments that black players do.

If LeBron's name was LeBronović he'd have the 2006 and 2011 MVPs.

This

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[letskissbro]

Jokic isn't undeserving but he clearly doesn't suffer from the same arbitrary arguments that black players do.

If LeBron's name was LeBronović he'd have the 2006 and 2011 MVPs.

And if Nikola Jokic was Jamal Johnson none of this would be a discussion at all.

See how that works?

He'd have less universally enthusiastic backing for sure. The media has acted like the race has been over since December despite Embiid putting up like 34/10/5.

[Duke4life831]

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What perk said isn't true, but he's not entirely wrong. The majority of the media is white. Winning 3 MVPs and constantly changing the goal posts is a lil sus. The apologies and excuses made for Joker are getting old.

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What are the goal posts that are being moved so Jokic can win? The fact last year that Denver was the 6th seed? That was nothing new, Westbrook won the MVP just a few years prior being the 6th seed. This whole thing about not being top 10 in scoring? Thats nothing new even if we get away from Nash and Dirk (who was technically in the top 10 of scoring), Magic racked up MVP's while not being top 10 in scoring.

What are the goal posts that are moving and new narratives being created so these white voters can vote for him? If there is a guy that the media is going to try to bend over backwards to create new narratives to vote for a guy to win MVP, I doubt its the guy with zero social media presence, doesnt do interviews or podcasts and plays for Denver of a places.

Maybe just maybe, Jokic has been the best and most valuable player in the regular season the last 3 years. And the NBA media that votes for these awards arent a bunch of people that are racist and just waiting for the chance to vote for a white guy.

I'd say he's more deserving this year than previous years.

The 6th seed being ok last year but two years ago Embiid has the 1st seed and the next a higher seed than Joker.

This year Joker has the 1 seed in historically one of the weakest western conferences we've had while Embiid has the 3 seed in an ultra competitive eastern conference.

Goal posts...

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Okay lets look at the MVP case 2 years ago.

Jokic:
Denver 47 wins
Wins with Jokic playing: 47 wins
Jokic didnt miss a game
Jokic led the NBA in VORP, PER, WS/48, BPM, Raptor. Had a slightly better RPM than Embiid

Embiid:
Philly 49 wins
Wins with Embiid playing: 39 wins
Embiid missed 21 games in a shortened 72 game season

So whats the case for Embiid for MVP 2 years ago? The fact that Philly won 10 more games without him to push Philly's win total above Denver's?

Last year's MVP. Again a 6th seed winning MVP was not something new they did for Jokic. It was literally done 5 years prior. And again what is the argument for Embiid over Jokic last year? Philly having 3 more total wins than Denver? Even though again Jokic played in more wins. Then when it comes to all the advanced metrics, Jokic's lead was even bigger.

So again where are these goal posts clearly moving so these white voters can vote for Jokic?

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Eh, Dirk deserved it. Nash didn't deserve the 2nd IMO. I think winning 3 MVPs in a row needs to be universally agreed on. It's that big of an accomplishment. His first MVP was because Embiid got hurt. His second was not as impressive when it's a 6th seed despite the roster. Especially with the season Embiid had given the turmoil in Philly.

Also where was the blow back for Joker's ejections, and what he did to Lillard.

He has a temper.

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If this was a black athlete it would not go unnoticed.



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So now your goalposts have moved to:

1. Winning the MVP 3x is hard. He won it, but it wasn’t legitimate previously because reasons…. This season he deserves it but Perk is kinda right because white media ?

2. Jokic had a temper and that should also factor into the MVP talk because it would matter if he was black (?)

So you are either an Embiid 76er homer or racist. Maybe both? I can’t tell.

The temper is about the white privilege offered to Jokic. Don't put words into my mouth.

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I didn’t have to. You outed yourself already.

[JDR720]

Jokic isn't undeserving but he clearly doesn't suffer from the same arbitrary arguments that black players do.

If LeBron's name was LeBronović he'd have the 2006 and 2011 MVPs.

Of course they aren't the same arguments, but he does have to deal with his own arguments against him. Such as being an empty stats player and now the Perkins controversy. Certain media people like Skip Bayless and Nick Wright don't think he's a top 5 player at all.

[ocelot17]

Jokic does get held to a different standard. He’s on his way to winning his third mvp, yet nobody really expects him to win a championship.

[CIN-C-STAR]

Please let me know the next time you see a homeless person oppress or exert any type of negative influence on someone.

So you don't think a homeless white person can be racist?
Your arguments seem to contradict themselves tbh.

You're confusing racism with prejudice. You're not alone. It's a common mistake.

Naw. I already gave you the actual definition of "racist" straight from the source, but here it is again:
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racist
Anyone can be racist, by definition.

You're confusing a single aspect of racism (systemic racism) with all racism. It's called the fallacy of composition, and it's a common mistake.

[Doranku]

Jokic does get held to a different standard. He’s on his way to winning his third mvp, yet nobody really expects him to win a championship.

How many players are expected to win a championship with zero all-star teammates?

[maxpower8888]

Let's say the Nuggets go on to win the championship this year, will Jokic have deserved it then?