Woj: Raptors trade Pascal Siakam to Pacers for Bruce Brown, Jordan Nwora, Kira Lewis and 3 first round picks

[PhilBlackson]

Man reading this thread, people are wildly underestimating Siakam.

They did the same with OG.

[ArksNetsSince99]

Your clearly missing everything if you think Pascal was the 4th option at any point this season.

He’s a complimentary piece at this stage of his career. And yes depending on the day he’s 3rd or 4th option rn. I’d rather have RJ on his contract than Siakam making $80m over 2 years.

He's been a border line All Star every year since he's made it. Even when we won the chip he wasn't the 3rd or 4th option. Just admit you know nothing. Choosing RJ on his contract vs whatever you just typed for Siakam is irrelevant to everything you typed.

He isn't 39 man, he is firmly in his prime at 29yo.

He might as well be 39 , who knows

[phanman]

He’s a complimentary piece at this stage of his career. And yes depending on the day he’s 3rd or 4th option rn. I’d rather have RJ on his contract than Siakam making $80m over 2 years.

He's been a border line All Star every year since he's made it. Even when we won the chip he wasn't the 3rd or 4th option. Just admit you know nothing. Choosing RJ on his contract vs whatever you just typed for Siakam is irrelevant to everything you typed.

He isn't 39 man, he is firmly in his prime at 29yo.

He might as well be 39 , who knows

You've been writing some wild stuff about Pascal in the entire thread, what he do to you man?

Let it out, issa safe place.

[heatwillbeback]

Trade is good for both teams I think.

Picks are great, but why hoard picks when you can make a run this year? Not a title run yet, but a nice playoff run.

Lots of picks need to turn into players. Rotation players. There are only 8-9 that matter in the playoffs.

[The-Power]

I think both teams got a fair trade.

Pacers starting 5 is looking solid

Tyrese Haliburton
Buddy Hield
Benedict Mathurin
Pascal Siakam
Miles Turner

That's not their starting 5. Siakam likely just replaces Smith, and I suppose Nembhard replaces Brown as he already did when Brown was out. Nesmith continues to start. I do think it's possible that we'll see a different line-up but right now there's no reason for the Pacers to change more than necessary.

[Iwasawitness]

I don't know how anyone can say with a straight face that we got robbed. The 24 picks are probably in the 20s and we allready have too many young guys. Our 2 first round selections can't get playing time so there would be no way we would pick two more rookies and give them playing time. The 26 pick hurts a little bit but I think we can live with that. The only thing that really hurts is the departure of Brucy, but it is what it is. Of course this all changes when Pascal leaves us in the offseason. That makes it from great to horrible, but I guess we have to take these kind of risks with a guy like Hali on the team. You accumulate assets and capspace for scenarios like this. Pritchard set this up pretty great imo. And I really don't see a comparable guy that is available for our picks and some assets..

His name is Bruce Brown ( BB gun ) recent Champion , best Fourth player on a Championship team

You don’t trade for Siakam and give away this kind of player , Pacers just removed themselves from the contention by simply doing that

Toronto won this trade , they traded unwanted piece

Excuse me, what?

Bruce brown was not the fourth best player on that Nuggets team. That person is very clearly Aaron Gordon, followed by KCP.

Your takes have been ridiculous. I don’t know if you’re trying to upset Indiana fans, but please stop.

[QPR]

We got killed in this trade.

I reckon the trade is fine given the status of Siakam's contract. The issue was you've done it 12 months too late.

[nikster]

If Siakam is so good tell me why he's relegated to the current 4th option on the Raptors. Why didn't Masai want to give him a bag? He's a solid 3 point shooter and defender who doesn't give you much else at this stage of his career. Maybe I'm missing something but watching him play this season has left me anything but impressed

Your clearly missing everything if you think Pascal was the 4th option at any point this season.

He’s a complimentary piece at this stage of his career. And yes depending on the day he’s 3rd or 4th option rn. I’d rather have RJ on his contract than Siakam making $80m over 2 years.

This is now 5 straight years of leading his team in scoring. Since Lowry left he's been the secondary playmaker. Last 20 games he's averaging 24/5 on 65TS%. Who the hell has a 4th option like that in his prime

[BrianInPhilly]

I noticed similarity in play styles from the championship Raptors and this Pacers team if you squint hard enough …

Lowry - Haliburton (table setter)
kawhi - Mathurin (scorer)
Green - Neismith (3 and D)
Siakam
Gasol - Turner (floor spacing shot blocker)

Of course Haliburton > Lowry, Kawhi > Mathurin but this Pacers team can grow into Raptors-championship lite in time imo.

[Shock Defeat]

Wild how the Raptors got more for OG than they got for Pascal even though Pascal is the better player.

[Iwasawitness]

Pacers panicked lol

Still not a contender imo

What did we give up exactly?

You think the 25th pick in 2026 is making or breaking our contender status? Pacers were already 4th in the East before Hali’s injury. They had already beaten every top East team including Boston twice and Milwaukee 4 times.

you gave up 3 1st rd picks which are the most valuable assets in today's league.

You traded them for a borderline all-star talent. Sure you guys improved, but I still think Mil/Bos/Philly/NY are all better.

Also Siakam is a win now player in the middle of his prime. Hali needs a younger running mate.

Pacers are 4-0 against the Bucks this year. At this point, we have every reason to believe the Pacers are the better team.

Philly? That’s very much up for debate. They’ve had bitter playoff defeats against much worse teams.

How the **** are the Knicks better? Yes they picked up OG which is great, that’s really really great. But they lost two valuable players to get him and while it looks like Robinson could come back, he won’t be nearly as dominant coming back from injury and he’ll be on reduced minutes.

Boston is the only team I feel comfortable saying are better.

[Nuntius]

You don't seem to have watched any Siakam if you're thinking Smith is a better shooter than Siakam.

Siakam is guarded WAY closer than Smith, who is a non-thought on the floor.

Siakam is >50% FG for the year. If you remove his horrendous November (when the Raps formally switched pecking orders between him and Scottie), he is at >40% 3pt for the year.

I am pretty sure that boomershadow is talking specifically about 3-point shooting. Even if Siakam is above 40% this year if you remove his worst month, Smith is currently shooting 46.8% from 3. That is a pretty amazing number. Smith is definitely having an amazing year, shooting-wise.

Do you really expect Smith to sustain 47% the entire year? He's taken 62 threes total so far the entire year, he's going to need to put in a lot more volume to prove the 3 point shooting is legit considering his career averages.

I don't expect him to sustain 47%, no. But I do expect him to end up at around 38-40%.

[xxSnEaKyPxx]

Pacers panicked lol

Still not a contender imo

They didn’t make this trade to be a contender, they made this trade to get a step closer. They also kept pretty much every rotational player outside of Brown, so they have plenty of pieces to make another move.

[IMF]

The biggest loser in this trade, though, is Toppin; expanded all that energy getting out of NY to get some playing time just to wind up back on the bench in what is essentially a contract year for him.

He was already coming off the bench.

Toppin is fine, he’s established himself as a rotational big. That’s it, and it’s better than being out of the league. We likely let him walk this off-season to make room for Walker to play behind Pascal. I’m sure he’ll get picked up and play a role for somebody.

[Bobbymcgee]

Hopefully they can beat the Lakers now.

[tsherkin]

Siakam is going to be very good. His biggest issue in Toronto is that he has had to create too much for himself. Indy is fast, Haliburton is an exceptional playmaker and a very good scorer, so he's just going to feast in that environment.

[dautjazz]

If they have a contract lined up, great, if not it's a gamble.

[Oscirus]

The biggest loser in this trade, though, is Toppin; expanded all that energy getting out of NY to get some playing time just to wind up back on the bench in what is essentially a contract year for him.

He was already coming off the bench.

Toppin is fine, he’s established himself as a rotational big. That’s it, and it’s better than being out of the league. We likely let him walk this off-season to make room for Walker to play behind Pascal. I’m sure he’ll get picked up and play a role for somebody.

He was a rotational big with the knicks. Even if he wasn't starting before the trade, I'd imagine, he's likely about to lose even more playing time in a situation that's eerily similar to his situation on the Knicks.

[maxpower8888]

Pascal is a great 2nd option, just not the guy you want leading your team like he had to do in Toronto. I wish him all the best in Indiana, hope he thrives there. I think in the long run Toronto will end up as the winners of this trade, three first round picks is really nice!

[PushDaRock]

Siakam is going to be very good. His biggest issue in Toronto is that he has had to create too much for himself. Indy is fast, Haliburton is an exceptional playmaker and a very good scorer, so he's just going to feast in that environment.

I wouldn't be too shocked to see him put up some eye popping numbers on extreme efficiency. He was already really efficient in the new offensive Raptors system, the Pacers will be that on steroids. He also doesn't even need to worry about D at all anymore. The question will more so be how it translates over to the playoffs.