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donkki wrote:Can see the narratives already. First the Celtics series the Knicks only won because Tatum got hurt and now the Pacers series they will only because the league needs the Knicks in the Finals for better ratings.
Helsbyte wrote:cgf wrote:Finally getting to watch game 6 and man is this double big lineup everything I had hoped it would be when they're not out there with with Payne, Shamet, and McBride
If they can stay out of foul trouble they should be able to control the glass and pace.
Man if I am the Pacers I am begging you to employ that double big line up. Watching Kat and Mitch up and down the court at the same time with our pace plays right into our hands. Just a quick reminder that one of the reasons we don't have very many off rebounds is due to the fact that we have been shooting a very high percentage from the field. Maybe that changes this series, maybe it doesn't.
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:Helsbyte wrote:cgf wrote:Finally getting to watch game 6 and man is this double big lineup everything I had hoped it would be when they're not out there with with Payne, Shamet, and McBride
If they can stay out of foul trouble they should be able to control the glass and pace.
Man if I am the Pacers I am begging you to employ that double big line up. Watching Kat and Mitch up and down the court at the same time with our pace plays right into our hands. Just a quick reminder that one of the reasons we don't have very many off rebounds is due to the fact that we have been shooting a very high percentage from the field. Maybe that changes this series, maybe it doesn't.
Mitch/KAT/OG/Bridges/Brunson minutes together will muck up Indians offense. Even Jalen was playing ok defense, couple times he even fronted the much bigger Horford.
Enso wrote:donkki wrote:Can see the narratives already. First the Celtics series the Knicks only won because Tatum got hurt and now the Pacers series they will only because the league needs the Knicks in the Finals for better ratings.
Beating the Celtics without Tatum is still a feat. That team was historically stacked.
GiannisAnte34 wrote:Enso wrote:donkki wrote:Can see the narratives already. First the Celtics series the Knicks only won because Tatum got hurt and now the Pacers series they will only because the league needs the Knicks in the Finals for better ratings.
Beating the Celtics without Tatum is still a feat. That team was historically stacked.
The Celtics looked like their whole starting 5 was injured or declining except White. Brown injured, KP breathing issues, Holiday declining, Horford finally showing his age after a lot of playoff miles in recent years
PP and Hauser looked good aside from White
GiannisAnte34 wrote:Enso wrote:donkki wrote:Can see the narratives already. First the Celtics series the Knicks only won because Tatum got hurt and now the Pacers series they will only because the league needs the Knicks in the Finals for better ratings.
Beating the Celtics without Tatum is still a feat. That team was historically stacked.
The Celtics looked like their whole starting 5 was injured or declining except White. Brown injured, KP breathing issues, Holiday declining, Horford finally showing his age after a lot of playoff miles in recent years
PP and Hauser looked good aside from White
The KnicksFix wrote:People don’t realize
Indy played the Bucks without Dame
They then faced an injured Cavs team with Garland out and returning late, Mobley out for a game, Hunter out for two games. And Mitchell out for a second half of a game. These add up
They will be facing a healthy, rested Knicks squad. They won’t know what hit ‘em.
Fat wrote:GiannisAnte34 wrote:Enso wrote:
Beating the Celtics without Tatum is still a feat. That team was historically stacked.
The Celtics looked like their whole starting 5 was injured or declining except White. Brown injured, KP breathing issues, Holiday declining, Horford finally showing his age after a lot of playoff miles in recent years
PP and Hauser looked good aside from White
Was this the narrative before the series Started and during regular season? Because all I heard was the Knicks can’t beat the top teams which included this same Boston team
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:Helsbyte wrote:cgf wrote:Finally getting to watch game 6 and man is this double big lineup everything I had hoped it would be when they're not out there with with Payne, Shamet, and McBride
If they can stay out of foul trouble they should be able to control the glass and pace.
Man if I am the Pacers I am begging you to employ that double big line up. Watching Kat and Mitch up and down the court at the same time with our pace plays right into our hands. Just a quick reminder that one of the reasons we don't have very many off rebounds is due to the fact that we have been shooting a very high percentage from the field. Maybe that changes this series, maybe it doesn't.
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Jimmit79 wrote:Yea RJ played well he was definitely the x factor
cgf wrote:NoDopeOnSundays wrote:cgf wrote:
It's not just about them improving or not, it's also about how Carlisle schemes to stop us specifically and how playoff refs impact the way their defense wears us down...especially as the series wears on. If we drop one of the first two games at home and this becomes guaranteed to be a long series, we could end up just gassing out.
They have depth, but some of that depth is terrible defenders like Obi and McConnell, and Obi has that nasty habit of leaking out which isn't really costly against other teams, but there are going to be times he's on the floor with Hart, KAT and Mitch all in the lineup, and that would be an unfortunate decision on his part to leak out
What makes their D so strong isn’t that they rely on individuals like Mitch / OG / Mikal to shut guys down or make insane plays. It’s the constant ball pressure, the crisp rotations, and energy.
Just like on offense, their d is more than the sum of it’s parts because their depth lets them go balls to the wall for 48 minutes and Carlisle is such a good coach. So their good defenders impact is amplified and their poor defenders impact is minimized.
Sure Obi & Bryant are weak defensively, but McConnell is chippy & going to harass Jalen / Deuce full court, Mathurin is inconsistent but has the tools to defend well when he’s focused, while Walker & Sheppard are just straight up good defensively and I’d be happy to have them on our bench.
We’re gunna need to dominate the boards just to control the pace, even if we are super careful about not turning the ball over.
GiannisAnte34 wrote:Enso wrote:donkki wrote:Can see the narratives already. First the Celtics series the Knicks only won because Tatum got hurt and now the Pacers series they will only because the league needs the Knicks in the Finals for better ratings.
Beating the Celtics without Tatum is still a feat. That team was historically stacked.
The Celtics looked like their whole starting 5 was injured or declining except White. Brown injured, KP breathing issues, Holiday declining, Horford finally showing his age after a lot of playoff miles in recent years
PP and Hauser looked good aside from White
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RHODEY wrote:cgf wrote:NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
They have depth, but some of that depth is terrible defenders like Obi and McConnell, and Obi has that nasty habit of leaking out which isn't really costly against other teams, but there are going to be times he's on the floor with Hart, KAT and Mitch all in the lineup, and that would be an unfortunate decision on his part to leak out
What makes their D so strong isn’t that they rely on individuals like Mitch / OG / Mikal to shut guys down or make insane plays. It’s the constant ball pressure, the crisp rotations, and energy.
Just like on offense, their d is more than the sum of it’s parts because their depth lets them go balls to the wall for 48 minutes and Carlisle is such a good coach. So their good defenders impact is amplified and their poor defenders impact is minimized.
Sure Obi & Bryant are weak defensively, but McConnell is chippy & going to harass Jalen / Deuce full court, Mathurin is inconsistent but has the tools to defend well when he’s focused, while Walker & Sheppard are just straight up good defensively and I’d be happy to have them on our bench.
We’re gunna need to dominate the boards just to control the pace, even if we are super careful about not turning the ball over.
What makes their D so overrated is that they are playing hurt teams. Lets see how it squares out versus a healthy Knicks team.
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RHODEY wrote:cgf wrote:NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
They have depth, but some of that depth is terrible defenders like Obi and McConnell, and Obi has that nasty habit of leaking out which isn't really costly against other teams, but there are going to be times he's on the floor with Hart, KAT and Mitch all in the lineup, and that would be an unfortunate decision on his part to leak out
What makes their D so strong isn’t that they rely on individuals like Mitch / OG / Mikal to shut guys down or make insane plays. It’s the constant ball pressure, the crisp rotations, and energy.
Just like on offense, their d is more than the sum of it’s parts because their depth lets them go balls to the wall for 48 minutes and Carlisle is such a good coach. So their good defenders impact is amplified and their poor defenders impact is minimized.
Sure Obi & Bryant are weak defensively, but McConnell is chippy & going to harass Jalen / Deuce full court, Mathurin is inconsistent but has the tools to defend well when he’s focused, while Walker & Sheppard are just straight up good defensively and I’d be happy to have them on our bench.
We’re gunna need to dominate the boards just to control the pace, even if we are super careful about not turning the ball over.
What makes their D so overrated is that they are playing hurt teams. Lets see how it squares out versus a healthy Knicks team.
dakomish23 wrote:Who wins the Nemhard / Neismeth vs Hart / Mikal matchup and the bench impact will probably win this series. Assuming Haliburton / Siakam / Turner & Brunson / OG / KAT do their thing for the most part. Swap out Mikal or OG for each other.
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cgf wrote:RHODEY wrote:cgf wrote:
What makes their D so strong isn’t that they rely on individuals like Mitch / OG / Mikal to shut guys down or make insane plays. It’s the constant ball pressure, the crisp rotations, and energy.
Just like on offense, their d is more than the sum of it’s parts because their depth lets them go balls to the wall for 48 minutes and Carlisle is such a good coach. So their good defenders impact is amplified and their poor defenders impact is minimized.
Sure Obi & Bryant are weak defensively, but McConnell is chippy & going to harass Jalen / Deuce full court, Mathurin is inconsistent but has the tools to defend well when he’s focused, while Walker & Sheppard are just straight up good defensively and I’d be happy to have them on our bench.
We’re gunna need to dominate the boards just to control the pace, even if we are super careful about not turning the ball over.
What makes their D so overrated is that they are playing hurt teams. Lets see how it squares out versus a healthy Knicks team.
That excuse doesn’t explain how well they defended in the regular season once they got their wing defenders back…or how they threw Cleveland off even before they started to break down.
cgf wrote:GiannisAnte34 wrote:Enso wrote:
Beating the Celtics without Tatum is still a feat. That team was historically stacked.
The Celtics looked like their whole starting 5 was injured or declining except White. Brown injured, KP breathing issues, Holiday declining, Horford finally showing his age after a lot of playoff miles in recent years
PP and Hauser looked good aside from White
Brown looked really good in those last two, so I do wonder how banged up in this series he really was. We made jrue & Al look old, but they didn’t look that old against Orlando. So how much of that was their decline and how much was their opponent?
KP was awful but KP being unreliable is his whole thing. If he was dependable he’d be an absolute monster.
GiannisAnte34 wrote:RHODEY wrote:cgf wrote:
What makes their D so strong isn’t that they rely on individuals like Mitch / OG / Mikal to shut guys down or make insane plays. It’s the constant ball pressure, the crisp rotations, and energy.
Just like on offense, their d is more than the sum of it’s parts because their depth lets them go balls to the wall for 48 minutes and Carlisle is such a good coach. So their good defenders impact is amplified and their poor defenders impact is minimized.
Sure Obi & Bryant are weak defensively, but McConnell is chippy & going to harass Jalen / Deuce full court, Mathurin is inconsistent but has the tools to defend well when he’s focused, while Walker & Sheppard are just straight up good defensively and I’d be happy to have them on our bench.
We’re gunna need to dominate the boards just to control the pace, even if we are super careful about not turning the ball over.
What makes their D so overrated is that they are playing hurt teams. Lets see how it squares out versus a healthy Knicks team.
Knicks were 9th offensively, so on the season they were a tick better than the Bucks.
They’ll need to control rebounds and defend the Pacers on the perimeter to win.
