Shams: Kings Trade Jonas Valunciunas to the Nuggets for Dario Saric; *UPDATE* - Trade is Now Official

[BelgradeNugget]

Well, if they want to keep him that much we can settle for Jokic. He'll be a good backup for Lessort.

Trade? Denver terminates Val's contract, Panathinaikos does the same with Lessort, and he signes with denver for min. Then Denver signs Al Horford as free agent, everybody happy.

[PlatinumState]

If nuclear war breaks out America is winning

The people who have bomb shelters and a few lifetimes to kill are the winners. Unless your part of the shadow government or have spent time/money on creating your own underground civilization your part of the losers. The US could destroy an area/country/region but the US would also receive bombs. Nevermind the global fallout would make the earth impossible to live for most people regardless where you live.

If winning is sitting in a tincan underground bunker eating can beans and filtering out your urine for water until supplies run out then sure.

would you rather be dead or alive

which country has the highest odds for survival

also which country has the best missile defense system

i'd rather be in a underground bunker alive eating can beans and filtering my urine for water than evaporated

Really? What the point in that? The hope that in like a decade you might leave your bunker to a world that has to starts from scratch?

[KGtabake]

Well, if they want to keep him that much we can settle for Jokic. He'll be a good backup for Lessort.

Trade? Denver terminates Val's contract, Panathinaikos does the same with Lessort, and he signes with denver for min. Then Denver signs Al Horford as free agent, everybody happy.

I believe Lessort would have been a very good addition for Denver.

[BelgradeNugget]

Well, if they want to keep him that much we can settle for Jokic. He'll be a good backup for Lessort.

Trade? Denver terminates Val's contract, Panathinaikos does the same with Lessort, and he signes with denver for min. Then Denver signs Al Horford as free agent, everybody happy.

I believe Lessort would have been a very good addition for Denver.

Deal done

[Mirotic12]

You think Valanciunas is first player Panathinaikos brought that already had contract. It is common thing in europe. If they want to bring player who has contract with Real Madrid, Partizan, Milano, they have to agree to a buyout - amount of money for his team to free him from his contract.

Yabusele had to pay $2.5M to Real Madrid to terminate his contract so he could come to NBA last season. I haven't heard they were willing to let him go for free, because they were nice, and undrestund his family situation, and his willingnes to live in another country.

https://www.cbssports.com/olympics/news/olympic-star-guerschon-yabusele-seeking-nba-return-reportedly-has-2-5-million-buyout-in-real-madrid-contract/

NBA teams were paying to european teams buyouts for players under contract for a long time and it is set amount of money they can pay. Player pays the rest.

What is different here? The fact it never happened in another direction. Well there is always first time

It's definitely already happened between NBA and EuroLeague teams before. Probably the two best known examples of it are Vassilis Spanoulis and Sasha Vezenkov. In the case of Spanoulis, it also involved Panathinaikos.

The San Antonio Spurs wanted to keep Spanoulis, but he wanted to leave to go to Panathinaikos. Spanoulis paid the full amount of his contract buyout, waived his full NBA salary, and the Spurs agreed to his wishes to leave the team.

Vezenkov's case is much more recent. He wanted out of the NBA, even though his NBA team was debating at the time whether or not they might want to keep him. He waived his entire NBA salary and was allowed to join Olympiacos.

There's nothing new about situations like this, and Panathinaikos has been involved in them before with NBA teams.

[BelgradeNugget]

You think Valanciunas is first player Panathinaikos brought that already had contract. It is common thing in europe. If they want to bring player who has contract with Real Madrid, Partizan, Milano, they have to agree to a buyout - amount of money for his team to free him from his contract.

Yabusele had to pay $2.5M to Real Madrid to terminate his contract so he could come to NBA last season. I haven't heard they were willing to let him go for free, because they were nice, and undrestund his family situation, and his willingnes to live in another country.

https://www.cbssports.com/olympics/news/olympic-star-guerschon-yabusele-seeking-nba-return-reportedly-has-2-5-million-buyout-in-real-madrid-contract/

NBA teams were paying to european teams buyouts for players under contract for a long time and it is set amount of money they can pay. Player pays the rest.

What is different here? The fact it never happened in another direction. Well there is always first time

It's definitely already happened between NBA and EuroLeague teams before. Probably the two best known examples of it are Vassilis Spanoulis and Sasha Vezenkov. In the case of Spanoulis, it also involved Panathinaikos.

The San Antonio Spurs wanted to keep Spanoulis, but he wanted to leave to go to Panathinaikos. Spanoulis paid the full amount of his contract buyout, waived his full NBA salary, and the Spurs agreed to his wishes to leave the team.

Vezenkov's case is much more recent. He wanted out of the NBA, even though his NBA team was debating at the time whether or not they might want to keep him. He waived his entire NBA salary and was allowed to join Olympiacos.

There's nothing new about situations like this, and Panathinaikos has been involved in them before with NBA teams.

I wasn't talking about giving up the whole amout of money on his contract, it goes without saying, I was talking about him/Panathinaikos paing Denver money to let him go. Buyout they have to pay. The same way Yabusele had to pay Real Madrid $2.5M to let him free of his contract so he could sign with NBA team. I know it is common for european players/their NBA teams to pay european teams to set them free from their contracts.
I don't know did any european player had to pay buyout to NBA team to set him free. As you say Vazenkov and Toronto terminated his contract witouth him paying anything. I don't know has any player paid aditional money to NBA team. That is what I'm talking about.

[MakeItSplash]

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[EmpireFalls]

This is so weird.

[Mirotic12]

I wasn't talking about giving up the whole amout of money on his contract, it goes without saying, I was talking about him/Panathinaikos paing Denver money to let him go. Buyout they have to pay. The same way Yabusele had to pay Real Madrid $2.5M to let him free of his contract so he could sign with NBA team. I know it is common for european players/their NBA teams to pay european teams to set them free from their contracts.
I don't know did any european player had to pay buyout to NBA team to set him free. As you say Vazenkov and Toronto terminated his contract witouth him paying anything. I don't know has any player paid aditional money to NBA team. That is what I'm talking about.

Vassilis Spanoulis to the Spurs, and that also involved Panathinaikos. It was also after the Spurs traded for Spanoulis with the intention of keeping him and having him as a main rotation player on their team in the upcoming season. So pretty much an identical situation.

[zimpy27]

Desperation

Funny thing is we all know that Denver probably value Val as a trade salary at the deadline more than an actual player.

Let the man get off the merry go round

[Sharkboy242]

Haters pwned

Were so back.

[Sgt Major]

FO not **** around.

[BelgradeNugget]

I wasn't talking about giving up the whole amout of money on his contract, it goes without saying, I was talking about him/Panathinaikos paing Denver money to let him go. Buyout they have to pay. The same way Yabusele had to pay Real Madrid $2.5M to let him free of his contract so he could sign with NBA team. I know it is common for european players/their NBA teams to pay european teams to set them free from their contracts.
I don't know did any european player had to pay buyout to NBA team to set him free. As you say Vazenkov and Toronto terminated his contract witouth him paying anything. I don't know has any player paid aditional money to NBA team. That is what I'm talking about.

Vassilis Spanoulis to the Spurs, and that also involved Panathinaikos. It was also after the Spurs traded for Spanoulis with the intention of keeping him and having him as a main rotation player on their team in the upcoming season. So pretty much an identical situation.

So he didn't just give up money on contract, he payed aditional money to them? Do you know how much he had to pay?
I didn't know that. So it happened before, it will happen again

From Wikipedia

Houston Rockets
On 19 July 2006[46] Spanoulis opted out of the final two years of his contract with Panathinaikos Athens and signed a three-year deal (2 years guaranteed) with the NBA's Houston Rockets, who paid for his contract buyout from Panathinaikos. The contract was worth $5.832 million.[61] His buyout from Panathinaikos was $400,000.

Spanoulis was traded by the Rockets to the San Antonio Spurs, on 12 July 2007, along with a 2009 second-round draft pick, in exchange for center Jackie Butler, and the rights to Argentinian power forward Luis Scola.[69][70] On 19 August 2007, the Spurs released Spanoulis, giving him the chance to return to Greece to play for Panathinaikos as he had requested. This was officially announced on 23 August 2007.

They don't say anything about money he give to Spurs for buyout to go to europe. Thay said he was released.
Thay said how much money Panathinaikos recived for his buyout. He was not relised from Panathinaikos for free to go to NBA.

I think Panathinaikos should pay to Denver to release Valanciunas to go there.

[PushDaRock]

Valanciunas had been a starter his whole career (827 out 856 games) until last year, when Washington- the worst team Val has ever played for- asked him to come off the bench so that they could start their prized draft pick. Must have been real fun for Jonas to watch Sarr brick threes and baby hooks all night.

Then he gets a trade, but it's to another bench role, this time backing up Domantas Sabonis, the guy he's consistently been better than on the Lituania national team his whole life. I'm not saying there's bad blood there at all, I'm just painting a possible picture where Valanciunas doesn't like the NBA opportunities that are coming his way. Getting traded again, to backup a Euro rival he's battled against for years could feel like another nail in the coffin.

Remember that Val was by far the biggest prospect of any of these Euro guys. He was a top 5 pick that was discussed going as high as top 2, if not for his contract situation. He's had a very good NBA career, but not lived up to expectations. I remember him getting compared to Tim Duncan and prime Tyson Chandler (right after Chandler helped Dirk to a championship). I could Val watching his NBA career dwindle and find Europe a more attractive option.

I think he would have had a much better career if this was the early 2000's. Still, he should have been more effective as an offensive player, he has good shooting touch and form but the slowest release ever that just never got quicker which greatly limited his effectiveness as a stretch big.

[KGtabake]

This is the first time that a European team tries to get a player from an NBA team that actually wants the said player. But the said player does not want to play there.
There's no precedent.
I don't know how this will end up.
But it's a beginning. A nice beginning for European teams to get the talent back where it belongs.
Obviously, there's a huge financial and marketing gap. But if you never start something, you'll never change a situation.

[RookieStar]

Guys, I think a resolution for Big Val to Denver trade can be reached w/o nuclear weapons, at least I hope so.

No nukes? Where is the fun in that?

[Godymas]

The people who have bomb shelters and a few lifetimes to kill are the winners. Unless your part of the shadow government or have spent time/money on creating your own underground civilization your part of the losers. The US could destroy an area/country/region but the US would also receive bombs. Nevermind the global fallout would make the earth impossible to live for most people regardless where you live.

If winning is sitting in a tincan underground bunker eating can beans and filtering out your urine for water until supplies run out then sure.

would you rather be dead or alive

which country has the highest odds for survival

also which country has the best missile defense system

i'd rather be in a underground bunker alive eating can beans and filtering my urine for water than evaporated

Really? What the point in that? The hope that in like a decade you might leave your bunker to a world that has to starts from scratch?

if you’d rather die in nuclear war then say it. i’d rather not

[BelgradeNugget]

This is the first time that a European team tries to get a player from an NBA team that actually wants the said player. But the said player does not want to play there.
There's no precedent.
I don't know how this will end up.
But it's a beginning. A nice beginning for European teams to get the talent back where it belongs.
Obviously, there's a huge financial and marketing gap. But if you never start something, you'll never change a situation.

Because said player will earn more money on his new team. Imagine if one NBA team offers money to player under contract, and he seeks buyout to sign more lucrative contract. It couldn't work, right.

I'm not against Valanciunas going for more money, and bigger contract, it is just he will have to pay for it (but we already aggred on trade so no adittional money needed )

[BelgradeNugget]

would you rather be dead or alive

which country has the highest odds for survival

also which country has the best missile defense system

i'd rather be in a underground bunker alive eating can beans and filtering my urine for water than evaporated

Really? What the point in that? The hope that in like a decade you might leave your bunker to a world that has to starts from scratch?

if you’d rather die in nuclear war then say it. i’d rather not

You realy think you have a chance for suvarival in the USA? Russia has 5,459 Nuclear warheads, your best missile defense system stops half of them, so only 2730 Tzar bombs fall on USA. Great. You destroy them but you don't have time to celebrate.
Maybe some people in Bora-Bora could suvarive first wave but not for long. Or tsunami would destroy them too...

[KGtabake]

This is the first time that a European team tries to get a player from an NBA team that actually wants the said player. But the said player does not want to play there.
There's no precedent.
I don't know how this will end up.
But it's a beginning. A nice beginning for European teams to get the talent back where it belongs.
Obviously, there's a huge financial and marketing gap. But if you never start something, you'll never change a situation.

Because said player will earn more money on his new team. Imagine if one NBA team offers money to player under contract, and he seeks buyout to sign more lucrative contract. It couldn't work, right.

I'm not against Valanciunas going for more money, and bigger contract, it is just he will have to pay for it (but we already aggred on trade so no adittional money needed )

We'll get him one way or another lol
He didn't sign the contract for the Nuggets, he was traded there without anyone asking him.
He has the right to choose where he wants to play, it's his life.
He won't pay anything, he will just underperform intentionally if they keep him so he will be bought out later this season