KD to GS - Pt III

[bondom34]

I'm saying many, not just me, have made this statement. Not a spur of the moment thing, like said it months ago. So saying "you need time" is belittling and trying to sound snarky for no reason.

belitting and snarky? man ... nah whatever. lol

I mean, if you want to say I'm overreacting when multiple people have that feeling months ago, fine.

[bondom34]

Cmon don't compare him to bosh

Durant will be option 1 A/B with Steph

He's a top 3 talent

Ha. Nah, he's riding back seat. Can't take real pressure and never could, he's behind Steph and Green, he's a glorified Klay.

Can't wait til he finally takes some blame for a loss, I guess he's the Barnes replacement there too.

K.

He's no longer a top 5 player in the league because he joined a better team...

What I find the most pathetic is if he's still on your team you would argue the former MVP should be considered a top 5 player. But because he joined the Warriors he's now a "glorified Klay"

I thought he was borderline top 5 this year and he went to a team with more good players. I don'tsee how a decreased role makes him a better player.

[bondom34]

I'd refer both of you to the PC board, because Green's got a case for it. And he sure as heck is a better leader.

I think you need some more time to grieve. Don't worry it will get better.

He definitely does.

I'm actually good today. I think you need to consider what makes a player good.

[Litany]

Ha. Nah, he's riding back seat. Can't take real pressure and never could, he's behind Steph and Green, he's a glorified Klay.

Can't wait til he finally takes some blame for a loss, I guess he's the Barnes replacement there too.

K.

He's no longer a top 5 player in the league because he joined a better team...

What I find the most pathetic is if he's still on your team you would argue the former MVP should be considered a top 5 player. But because he joined the Warriors he's now a "glorified Klay"

I thought he was borderline top 5 this year and he went to a team with more good players. I don'tsee how a decreased role makes him a better player.

What does a "decreased role" (another discussion) have to do with his talent?

[Litany]

Ha. Nah, he's riding back seat. Can't take real pressure and never could, he's behind Steph and Green, he's a glorified Klay.

Can't wait til he finally takes some blame for a loss, I guess he's the Barnes replacement there too.

K.

He's no longer a top 5 player in the league because he joined a better team...

What I find the most pathetic is if he's still on your team you would argue the former MVP should be considered a top 5 player. But because he joined the Warriors he's now a "glorified Klay"

I thought he was borderline top 5 this year and he went to a team with more good players. I don'tsee how a decreased role makes him a better player.

He's already proven to possess top tier talent. MVP and has been in the finals (so he's not just padding stats on a bad team) and can score with the very best of em. That doesn't vanish because he left your team.

[bondom34]

K.

He's no longer a top 5 player in the league because he joined a better team...

What I find the most pathetic is if he's still on your team you would argue the former MVP should be considered a top 5 player. But because he joined the Warriors he's now a "glorified Klay"

I thought he was borderline top 5 this year and he went to a team with more good players. I don'tsee how a decreased role makes him a better player.

What does a "decreased role" (another discussion) have to do with his talent?

I never said he's not talented. I said there's a definite argument to be made that Green has more of an effect on winning, a pretty decent statistical argument agreed on by quite a few people.

And given he's going to a brand new team in a new role, I'm not sure he will play the same role that he did in OKC. There were many who debated Curry vs. Green. So now Durant is supposed to be overtaking Green? That would basically mean he may become more integral than Curry, which to me is not happening at all.

[LLcoleJ]

I'm saying many, not just me, have made this statement. Not a spur of the moment thing, like said it months ago. So saying "you need time" is belittling and trying to sound snarky for no reason.

belitting and snarky? man ... nah whatever. lol

I mean, if you want to say I'm overreacting when multiple people have that feeling months ago, fine.

So I said KD will be the 1a/1b option on the Warriors team. If you want to disagree wit that, ok. It's just the truth.

Getting into a straw man with you about what " people said,months ago' doesn't change that truth.

[bondom34]

K.

He's no longer a top 5 player in the league because he joined a better team...

What I find the most pathetic is if he's still on your team you would argue the former MVP should be considered a top 5 player. But because he joined the Warriors he's now a "glorified Klay"

I thought he was borderline top 5 this year and he went to a team with more good players. I don'tsee how a decreased role makes him a better player.

He's already proven to possess top tier talent. MVP and has been in the finals (so he's not just padding stats on a bad team) and can score with the very best of em. That doesn't vanish because he left your team.

Read above, never said talent. There's a difference between talent and impact.

[6rings4LeClutch]

They're gonna do a lot of Kd post ups on Kyrie.

[bondom34]

belitting and snarky? man ... nah whatever. lol

I mean, if you want to say I'm overreacting when multiple people have that feeling months ago, fine.

So I said KD will be the 1a/1b option on the Warriors team. If you want to disagree wit that, ok. It's just the truth.

Getting into a straw man with you about what " people said,months ago' doesn't change that truth.

I think offensively that's a possibility, I also think Green may be that guy. That's who he was in the past and he's had a bigger impact to some than Curry did.

What I took offense to was the claim that I was suddenly making this up spur of the moment because he left my team, when multiple people, not myself, have said this for months. That was just trying to poke at me and isn't appreciated.

[SF_Warriors]

Its not that, there are quite a few who've made the argument Green is as important as Curry, let alone Durant.

Draymond is very important to GS. They will have to make adjustments to losing 4-5 guys while adding a player of Durant's caliber. That in no way shape or form means Durant will be the 3rd/4th option and Dray is not a better player than Durant. He has a different role and his role will change along with the rest of Warriors squad.

I'm not making this up. Choose to not believe it fine, but there's a decent contingent who do.

Believe what exactly? I am not sure where are going with that.

I'm saying many, not just me, have made this statement. Not a spur of the moment thing, like said it months ago. So saying "you need time" is belittling and trying to sound snarky for no reason.

Its not that, there are quite a few who've made the argument Green is as important as Curry, let alone Durant.

I'm not making this up. Choose to not believe it fine, but there's a decent contingent who do.

Nobody in their right mind would take green over KD..Would you?

I don't know, right now isn't the time, but he's got a case. Green isn't far behind if at all. I had KD at 5th last year, Green 6-10 range.

Edit:

If you'd care to, here's the PC board Player of the year voting thread. I'm seeing at least 4 voters so far with Green ahead.

viewtopic.php?f=64&t=1459214#start_here

Durant is on everybody's list, Green is not.
You dont even have green on your own list.
I dunno how you can try to convince anyone green is a better player and not be willing to say you would definitively take him over KD, and especially when he wasnt in your top 5 for POY voting

Green is better than KD in certain aspects of the game..if he wasnt he would not be an all star because his scoring ability is def not all star worthy.

[HotRocks34]

I'm saying many, not just me, have made this statement. Not a spur of the moment thing, like said it months ago. So saying "you need time" is belittling and trying to sound snarky for no reason.

belitting and snarky? man ... nah whatever. lol

That's how it read to me, yeah, belittling and snarky. Kind of like a written pat on the head.

[MrBigShot]

Ha. Nah, he's riding back seat. Can't take real pressure and never could, he's behind Steph and Green, he's a glorified Klay.

Can't wait til he finally takes some blame for a loss, I guess he's the Barnes replacement there too.

K.

He's no longer a top 5 player in the league because he joined a better team...

What I find the most pathetic is if he's still on your team you would argue the former MVP should be considered a top 5 player. But because he joined the Warriors he's now a "glorified Klay"

I thought he was borderline top 5 this year and he went to a team with more good players. I don'tsee how a decreased role makes him a better player.

Role =/= Ability

The Warriors could literally play KD 15mpg standing in the corner and it wouldn't change the fact that he's one of the best players in the world. He's still an exceptional scorer capable of doing it in a variety of ways, solid playmaker, good rebounder for his position and elite shooter. His production might not be top 5 anymore, but that's to be expected when you have so many good players on one team, Curry & Klay's production will drop as well but they aren't magically going to be worse players because he signed. On any given night he can still drop 50 and take over the game, changing his role wont take away his jumper, his athleticism, his post game ect...heck if Curry happened to get injured for the season I bet he would have an MVP caliber season.

I still think the decision is pretty disappointing for a multitude of reasons, but KD isn't Bosh. He's going to play a huge role and on many nights, he'll be the best player on the floor. If he wins a championship it will never be as satisfying or fulfilling as it would've been had he done it in OKC (and this OKC team + Horford could definitely have won a championship) but that doesn't change the fact that he's still a top 5 player.

[2Irving2]

Another day goes by and Durant is still a bitch. Smh, this guy is about to be the first superstar to win a ring and somehow still not be considered a champion.

[ken6199]

Man, Royce Young's tweets sound like something a broken hearted ex GF might tweet after a nasty break up.

You mean like this one?

[tweet]https://twitter.com/royceyoung/status/750765584749457408[/tweet]

Sometimes the truth hurts. Young's job is to report the truth about what happened and to provide insight into Durant's personality from having covered him. I thought his ESPN piece on why Durant left was brilliant.

Young isn't a Durant PR representative. In fact, at this moment, he's probably the opposite. Given that his readership is likely heavily made up of OKC fans who aren't thrilled with Durant's decision.

I think these were some key parts of what Young wrote in his ESPN piece:

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/16791990/nba-changes-led-kevin-durant-departure-oklahoma-city-thunder

Durant repeated a phrase often: "I'm no front-runner."

...

Durant didn't want to be the leader anymore. The Warriors' "Strength In Numbers" mantra wasn't just a catchphrase. It was what he wanted.

One of the most incredible things I think I have learned from the reporting around Durant's decision is that I actually am starting to believe that Westbrook may be the more stable or grounded of the duo. At least off the court. I never would have believed that before.

Yes, Royce Young went nuts. He made like 10 tweets in a span of 1 hour, all with something like this. Though referring pieces from other people, he stance is as clear as it gets.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/royceyoung/status/750752654746263552[/tweet]

[LLcoleJ]

I mean, if you want to say I'm overreacting when multiple people have that feeling months ago, fine.

So I said KD will be the 1a/1b option on the Warriors team. If you want to disagree wit that, ok. It's just the truth.

Getting into a straw man with you about what " people said,months ago' doesn't change that truth.

I think offensively that's a possibility, I also think Green may be that guy. That's who he was in the past and he's had a bigger impact to some than Curry did.

What I took offense to was the claim that I was suddenly making this up spur of the moment because he left my team, when multiple people, not myself, have said this for months. That was just trying to poke at me and isn't appreciated.

[oaktownwarriors87]

KD should dedicate this season to the Seattle Super Sonics and all their fans and end it with the hashtag #LOYALTY

[Litany]

Another day goes by and Durant is still a bitch. Smh, this guy is about to be the first superstar to win a ring and somehow still not be considered a champion.

All reports show that the "backlash' (silliness) is less than that generated by "the decision" so people will get over it.

When KD pulls them through an important finals game and goes off in a game and they end up winning a finals series and become champions all the butthurt will be forgotten and people will remember how talented he is instead of calling him Beta.

[bondom34]

So I said KD will be the 1a/1b option on the Warriors team. If you want to disagree wit that, ok. It's just the truth.

Getting into a straw man with you about what " people said,months ago' doesn't change that truth.

I think offensively that's a possibility, I also think Green may be that guy. That's who he was in the past and he's had a bigger impact to some than Curry did.

What I took offense to was the claim that I was suddenly making this up spur of the moment because he left my team, when multiple people, not myself, have said this for months. That was just trying to poke at me and isn't appreciated.

Good for you, but HotRocks saw the same as I did.

[bondom34]

K.

He's no longer a top 5 player in the league because he joined a better team...

What I find the most pathetic is if he's still on your team you would argue the former MVP should be considered a top 5 player. But because he joined the Warriors he's now a "glorified Klay"

I thought he was borderline top 5 this year and he went to a team with more good players. I don'tsee how a decreased role makes him a better player.

Role =/= Ability

The Warriors could literally play KD 15mpg standing in the corner and it wouldn't change the fact that he's one of the best players in the world. He's still an exceptional scorer capable of doing it in a variety of ways, solid playmaker, good rebounder for his position and elite shooter. His production might not be top 5 anymore, but that's to be expected when you have so many good players on one team, Curry & Klay's production will drop as well but they aren't magically going to be worse players because he signed. On any given night he can still drop 50 and take over the game, changing his role wont take away his jumper, his athleticism, his post game ect...heck if Curry happened to get injured for the season I bet he would have an MVP caliber season.

I still think the decision is pretty disappointing for a multitude of reasons, but KD isn't Bosh. He's going to play a huge role and on many nights, he'll be the best player on the floor. If he wins a championship it will never be as satisfying or fulfilling as it would've been had he done it in OKC (and this OKC team + Horford could definitely have won a championship) but that doesn't change the fact that he's still a top 5 player.

I know the Bosh thing was hyperbole, but that's what I'm saying, his role may be 3rd wheel. Maybe 2nd, maybe 3rd. But there's a decent chance 3rd.