The ROTY/Rookie Discussion Thread, Part III

[sixerswillrule]

That's great. He has a lot going for him. He still can't shoot.

51.7% FG is pretty good for somebody who can't shoot, right? One of the highest among rookies, so whatever he is doing it must be working.

Notable Rookies
Lonzo Ball: 35.6%
Donovan Mitchell: 44.2%
Jayson Tatum: 48.6%
Laurie M: 42.7%
Kyle Kuzma: 46.1%
DSJ: 40.6%

FG% isn't indicative of one's ability to shoot, unless you'd like to say that Clint Capella and DeAndre Jordan are the two best shooters in the NBA. I like Simmons, but he can't shoot and wasn't able to at LSU either. I do expect him to expand his range as he progresses over the years, but he has work to do.

Didn't you forget to add he's also not a rookie?

He is a rookie.

I think he means for him to have that FG percentage in spite of his lack of outside shooting as a guard is pretty good.

[michaelm]

51.7% FG is pretty good for somebody who can't shoot, right? One of the highest among rookies, so whatever he is doing it must be working.

Notable Rookies
Lonzo Ball: 35.6%
Donovan Mitchell: 44.2%
Jayson Tatum: 48.6%
Laurie M: 42.7%
Kyle Kuzma: 46.1%
DSJ: 40.6%

FG% isn't indicative of one's ability to shoot, unless you'd like to say that Clint Capella and DeAndre Jordan are the two best shooters in the NBA. I like Simmons, but he can't shoot and wasn't able to at LSU either. I do expect him to expand his range as he progresses over the years, but he has work to do.

Didn't you forget to add he's also not a rookie?

He is a rookie.

Only technically.

Yes, he qualified to be regarded as never having played an NBA game by never playing an NBA game.

[LordCovington33]

51.7% FG is pretty good for somebody who can't shoot, right? One of the highest among rookies, so whatever he is doing it must be working.

Notable Rookies
Lonzo Ball: 35.6%
Donovan Mitchell: 44.2%
Jayson Tatum: 48.6%
Laurie M: 42.7%
Kyle Kuzma: 46.1%
DSJ: 40.6%

FG% isn't indicative of one's ability to shoot, unless you'd like to say that Clint Capella and DeAndre Jordan are the two best shooters in the NBA. I like Simmons, but he can't shoot and wasn't able to at LSU either. I do expect him to expand his range as he progresses over the years, but he has work to do.

Didn't you forget to add he's also not a rookie?

He is a rookie.

I think he means for him to have that FG percentage in spite of his lack of outside shooting as a guard is pretty good.

Exactly. Since he is significantly more efficient than many other rookies who can shoot, I am not sure why his lack of a jump shot has to be repeatedly pointing out to us.

[NBA Fan 1234]

FG% isn't indicative of one's ability to shoot, unless you'd like to say that Clint Capella and DeAndre Jordan are the two best shooters in the NBA. I like Simmons, but he can't shoot and wasn't able to at LSU either. I do expect him to expand his range as he progresses over the years, but he has work to do.



He is a rookie.

I think he means for him to have that FG percentage in spite of his lack of outside shooting as a guard is pretty good.

Exactly. Since he is significantly more efficient than many other rookies who can shoot, I am not sure why his lack of a jump shot has to be repeatedly pointing out to us.

It’s still a weakness that can be / has been exploited. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with pointing out ones deficiencies, but that’s just me.

[PLO]

FG% isn't indicative of one's ability to shoot, unless you'd like to say that Clint Capella and DeAndre Jordan are the two best shooters in the NBA. I like Simmons, but he can't shoot and wasn't able to at LSU either. I do expect him to expand his range as he progresses over the years, but he has work to do.



He is a rookie.

Only technically.

Yes, he qualified to be regarded as never having played an NBA game by never playing an NBA game.

A technical distinction lost on many realgm posters

[michaelm]

FG% isn't indicative of one's ability to shoot, unless you'd like to say that Clint Capella and DeAndre Jordan are the two best shooters in the NBA. I like Simmons, but he can't shoot and wasn't able to at LSU either. I do expect him to expand his range as he progresses over the years, but he has work to do.



He is a rookie.

I think he means for him to have that FG percentage in spite of his lack of outside shooting as a guard is pretty good.

Exactly. Since he is significantly more efficient than many other rookies who can shoot, I am not sure why his lack of a jump shot has to be repeatedly pointing out to us.

I think he needs to shoot at least a little eventually, and his seeming lack of a shot has been of concern to me as an Australian NBA fan desirous of seeing him prosper, which for me and I am sure him would mainly involve him maximally helping his team to win, but I am now fairly confident he will get to a satisfactory level.

He strikes me as a perfectionist, who won’t start shooting more until he is confident he won’t shoot poorly, as others have intimated. Perhaps he could have developed more quickly by shooting poorly in actual NBA games from the getgo, but it is what it is, and my impression is that he would himself perceive doing so as selfish.

[crazy_me_87]

He strikes me as a perfectionist, who won’t start shooting more until he is confident he won’t shoot poorly, as others have intimated. Perhaps he could have developed more quickly by shooting poorly in actual NBA games from the getgo, but it is what it is, and my impression is that he would himself perceive doing so as selfish.

This is exactly the vibe i get from Ben. From watching and reading Interviews you totally get that he really is a Perfectionist. Comes with both his talent and his incredible BBIQ.

Most players dont care that much if shooting ineffecient Jumpers drags down their FG% .. But Ben seems to be the guy that wont start shooting them until he thinks he can make him at a % that he thinks is effective enough. He is just wired like that. He wont shoot a bad shot because he feels it would be as you said selfish and bad for the Team.

To me it is clear he has the work ethic(and then some) needed to become at least an sufficient shooter and his form is not broken at all. He just needs time. I think even by next year we will see Ben take and Make alot of Mid Range Shots.. the year after that maybe he starts taking actual(not last second heaves) Threes.

[Sixerscan]

I think he means for him to have that FG percentage in spite of his lack of outside shooting as a guard is pretty good.

Exactly. Since he is significantly more efficient than many other rookies who can shoot, I am not sure why his lack of a jump shot has to be repeatedly pointing out to us.

It’s still a weakness that can be / has been exploited. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with pointing out ones deficiencies, but that’s just me.

Sure, he is on the whole a very good player at this point though, and seemingly one of his relatively few weaknesses seems to be all people want to talk about.

Meanwhile all the other rookies have to do is not vomit all over themselves and people get super excited without repeatedly pointing out what they have to work out.

I think it's fair to say he is held to a higher standard than the other rookies. Maybe it's because he sat out a year.

[NBA Fan 1234]

Exactly. Since he is significantly more efficient than many other rookies who can shoot, I am not sure why his lack of a jump shot has to be repeatedly pointing out to us.

It’s still a weakness that can be / has been exploited. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with pointing out ones deficiencies, but that’s just me.

Sure, he is on the whole a very good player at this point though, and seemingly one of his relatively few weaknesses seems to be all people want to talk about.

Meanwhile all the other rookies have to do is not vomit all over themselves and people get super excited without repeatedly pointing out what they have to work out.

I think it's fair to say he is held to a higher standard than the other rookies. Maybe it's because he sat out a year.

Expectations were way higher for Simmons than any other rookie playing now, so it only makes sense that the standard is higher as well.

I think the shooting is a non-issue in the long term and I see him developing a jumper in the same way Blake did.

*I'd also like to add that his lack of jumper, inability to stay active (in tune) in games when he wasn't handling the ball, and his defense were major issues in college. He's fixed two of them already.

[PhilBlackson]

With all the talk about Dame Lillard the player that I do think will have a similar IMPACT (not style of play) is Dennis Smith Jr, not Mitchell.

[GameBredAPBT]

With all the talk about Dame Lillard the player that I do think will have a similar IMPACT (not style of play) is Dennis Smith Jr, not Mitchell.

Mitchell doesn't resemble Lillard at all out there.

His closest comparison is a less athletic, more intelligent, driven Baron.

More brute force than crafty fluidity.

Smith doesn't remind me of Lillard either though. Looks like Francis 2.0, right down to a nearly identical physical build.

[WaveTheWheat80]

With all the talk about Dame Lillard the player that I do think will have a similar IMPACT (not style of play) is Dennis Smith Jr, not Mitchell.

Mitchell doesn't resemble Lillard at all out there.

His closest comparison is a less athletic, more intelligent, driven Baron.

More brute force than crafty fluidity.

Smith doesn't remind me of Lillard either though. Looks like Francis 2.0, right down to a nearly identical physical build.

What? Nothing about Mitchell's game is "brute force". He's a Lillard and Wade hybrid. His flaw is he doesn't get to the line because he gets into the paint clean

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[ChargerMan]

Milos pushing for 10/6/3 soon, needs to finish better as his fg% is only 4% better than his 3p%

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[NBA Fan 1234]

How is Mitchell even remotely similar to Baron Davis...?

[cksdayoff]

How is Mitchell even remotely similar to Baron Davis...?

yup, mitchell's knock coming out of college was that he was more of a combo guard than a lead guard. mitchell does not have the handles of a baron davis.

mitchell reminds me of oladipo

[cksdayoff]

also, ben simmons can shoot 3s. if he actually starts shooting those in actual games, how are you gonna guard him. he has every move in the book within 15 feet of the rim. if he starts shooting 3s, he's gonna be pretty amazing

[Roy The Natural]

How is Mitchell even remotely similar to Baron Davis...?

yup, mitchell's knock coming out of college was that he was more of a combo guard than a lead guard. mitchell does not have the handles of a baron davis.

mitchell reminds me of oladipo

Oh yea... that's a really good one. Kind of like that young Eric Gordon sort of player. Mitchell's been great, but he definitely hasn't yet proved he can be a real PG and setup teammates consistently.

[Art Vaandelay]

How is Mitchell even remotely similar to Baron Davis...?

yup, mitchell's knock coming out of college was that he was more of a combo guard than a lead guard. mitchell does not have the handles of a baron davis.

mitchell reminds me of oladipo

Oh yea... that's a really good one. Kind of like that young Eric Gordon sort of player. Mitchell's been great, but he definitely hasn't yet proved he can be a real PG and setup teammates consistently.

Yep. Clippers Eric Gordon is the best comparison for Mitchell imo.

Baron was a more traditional point who wasn't a good shooter (but that never stopped him). We are yet to see Mitchell facilitate and control an offense like Baron did. He didn't slither through the key like Mitchell does either, relying more on his rare combination of speed, athleticism, and IQ (all of which Mitchell shows to a certain degree).

[KobeBryant24]

Tatum really fell off