Woj: Clippers Trade Tobias Harris to Sixers for Landry Shamet, Two 1st Rnds, Wilson Chandler

[armin-x]

4 ball dominant-players, 1 ball...it's not gonna work well

[HeartBreakKid]

4 ball dominant-players, 1 ball...it's not gonna work well

Tobias Harris is ball dominant? Confirmed for not knowing what the flocka you're talking about.

[Ryoga Hibiki]

Is this what Hinkie died for?

Absolutely. Hinkie would tell you it is all about getting STARS...and to get stars, you acquire assets (check), hope you hit in the draft (Embiid and Simmons), and then make your move to add the final pieces (Butler and Harris).

This is the Super-Saiyan form of "The Process". I love it.

I am not sure this is the "long view" Hinkie was talking about. Putting aside the Fultz trade (they were looking for the generational talent, just he didn't deliver), in the last few months Brand traded a lot of assets for players that could be one year rentals or huge contracts crippling the franchise in the future (as, while extremely good players, Butler and Harris are not the kind of guys you should break your bank for). This is clearly win now mode, not sure Hinkie would have done it this way, but I might be wrong.

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[KnickFan33]

If the Sixers end up in the finals this year, or hell win it all, it's undeniable proof that tanking works. Sure Simmons and Embiid are unbelievable talents, but then Noel, Okafor, and Fultz have busted hard. Those are your 1st, 3rd, and 6th overall picks. Three years of tanking down the drain. And yet it was worth it because they kept putting themselves in positions to draft potential superstars.

Eh. Still have to take into account that Embiid and Simmons each missed at least one season to allow the tank to continue rolling. No telling how things would have worked out had they been healthy from the start. Then there's the matter of hopefully drafting the correct players.

Tanking can certainly work, but it won't be a success for every team that tries it.

[NBAFan93]

The cap is why you make the trades, so you get the Bird rights for these guys. There's value to that (a lot, if you're willing to spend).

Yeah - bird rights are golden on star level players. Nothing better than having 4 great players all of which you have bird rights on. If all it cost was money to win a championship (or even to go to the finals) most teams would line up.

[jbent87]

If the Sixers end up in the finals this year, or hell win it all, it's undeniable proof that tanking works. Sure Simmons and Embiid are unbelievable talents, but then Noel, Okafor, and Fultz have busted hard. Those are your 1st, 3rd, and 6th overall picks. Three years of tanking down the drain. And yet it was worth it because they kept putting themselves in positions to draft potential superstars.

tanking + elite asset accumulation. Elton Brand doesnt trade for Tobias Harris without that Miami unprotected pick. You don't get that Miami pick unless Brett Brown trades Mikal Bridges for Zhaire/Miami pick. You don't draft Mikal Bridges unless Sam Hinkie trades MCW for a LAL future unprotected 1st rd pick, all those years ago.

Man, what an idiot/snake oil salesman, huh?

[Duke4life831]

He's not a rental.

Interesting post from a Dubs fan whose ownership is paying ELEVENTY BILLION dollars for their team this season.

It is theoretically possible for teams other than the Dubs to pay the tax. You KNOW that...right?

Is Tobias Harris really a guy you want to give a max contact to? He's now on his 5th team in what 7 seasons?

If you have three players who are a lot better than him - why not? i'm not sure if he will be given a max though.

Chances are someone is going to offer him the max though (like Sac). I guess you have 1 more season with Simmons on his rookie deal. After that though, Im not sure you can afford all 4. So if you can flip Tobias or Butler next offseason I guess it makes sense.

I think the same for GS. I dont think they will be able to afford all 4 guys getting the max, which is why I think KD is gone this year or they trade Draymond next year.

[Duke4life831]

4 ball dominant-players, 1 ball...it's not gonna work well

Fit wise I think this is amazing. Tobias is going to be able to be plugged in there and be very productive without taking away from the others, hes not a ball dominant guy at all.

[bebopdeluxe]

Shamet and 2 1st round picks for Tobias who is going to be a free agent this year. West is a freaking wizard.

Philly's starting 5 looks scary good. But seems like a lot to give up for a half season rental.

He's not a rental.

Interesting post from a Dubs fan whose ownership is paying ELEVENTY BILLION dollars for their team this season.

It is theoretically possible for teams other than the Dubs to pay the tax. You KNOW that...right?

Is Tobias Harris really a guy you want to give a max contact to? He's now on his 5th team in what 7 seasons?

What the f does it matter how many teams he has been on?

Dude has a 60+% ts in the EXACT slot the Sixers need. And - fun fact - Harris' cap hold is smaller than Butler's, so if Butler walks, we have even MORE money to spend this summer, while retaining Harris.

I just find it ridiculously rich that, of all teams, a fan of the GOLDEN STATE WARRIORS (they of the NINETY MILLION DOLLAR LUXURY TAX) are commenting about ANY other team's salary decisions. I get it - it is all about the rings. But given that, where the f do you get off commenting about another team being willing to spend DRUNKEN SAILOR MONEY to win a ring?

[bebopdeluxe]

Tobias is a perfect fit for that squad and if they win it all this year nobody will care about this picks.

I agree though it's a huge risk but if you are Philly I'm sure they realized they are not as good as Bucks/Raps so had to make a move.

I don't think the 2020 Philly pick will hurt because they have Simmons + Embiid but the Miami 2021 unprotected one can bite them in the ass.

They only have chance to win the east, the ring is packed in GSW.

I dunno. They just beat GSW at home a few days ago. GSW was trying to win and had all their guys too. And that was before this trade. They’ve got a shot in a series.

They didn't have Klay...but we didn't have Harris.

[Duke4life831]

He's not a rental.

Interesting post from a Dubs fan whose ownership is paying ELEVENTY BILLION dollars for their team this season.

It is theoretically possible for teams other than the Dubs to pay the tax. You KNOW that...right?

Is Tobias Harris really a guy you want to give a max contact to? He's now on his 5th team in what 7 seasons?

What the f does it matter how many teams he has been on?

Dude has a 60+% ts in the EXACT slot the Sixers need. And - fun fact - Harris' cap hold is smaller than Butler's, so if Butler walks, we have even MORE money to spend this summer, while retaining Harris.

I just find it ridiculously rich that, of all teams, a fan of the GOLDEN STATE WARRIORS (they of the NINETY MILLION DOLLAR LUXURY TAX) are commenting about ANY other team's salary decisions. I get it - it is all about the rings. But given that, where the f do you get off commenting about another team being willing to spend DRUNKEN SAILOR MONEY to win a ring?

Its a basketball message board where fans talk about general NBA discussion. I feel like I am in the appropriate place to have this discussion, thank you for wondering though.

Like I stated in my previous post. GS got extremely lucky with their cap and how it played out. They got KD when Steph was still on his massive bargain of a contract, and they signed both Draymond and Klay the year before the cap blew up. Klay and Draymond's contracts came out to paying them an average of 16 and 17 million a year. That luck is about to run out. I also dont think GS can afford to sign KD and Klay to the max, then sign Draymond to the max next year. I think either KD doesnt resign or they trade Draymond.

[hege53190]

As a Bucks fan I love this trade for the Clippers. It is so smart.

As a Bucks fan I also love it for the 76ers. I love their Isiah Thomas thought of team building. A couple of years ago I thought they would rule the east because they had Simmons Embiid, the third pick in the draft and a ton of draft capital. Well they have Simmons and Embiid and two C level stars to show for it.

Now I need the 76ers to max out Butler and Harris. That will make the Ben Simmons, JJ Reddick ( who is really important to this team) and Joel Embiid negotiations really interesting.

Says the fan of the team with Giannis and a bunch of C stars. You just can't make this stuff up.

The difference is Giannis is an MVP candidate and nobody is talking about keeping our C level stars at all costs.

The Hinkie Model of management scared the hell out of me. The Brand model not so much.

[dorkestra]

Wilson Chandler and Danilo Gallinari reunited is a beautiful thing. The original Melo package!

[bebopdeluxe]

As a Bucks fan I love this trade for the Clippers. It is so smart.

As a Bucks fan I also love it for the 76ers. I love their Isiah Thomas thought of team building. A couple of years ago I thought they would rule the east because they had Simmons Embiid, the third pick in the draft and a ton of draft capital. Well they have Simmons and Embiid and two C level stars to show for it.

Now I need the 76ers to max out Butler and Harris. That will make the Ben Simmons, JJ Reddick ( who is really important to this team) and Joel Embiid negotiations really interesting.

Says the fan of the team with Giannis and a bunch of C stars. You just can't make this stuff up.

The difference is Giannis is an MVP candidate and nobody is talking about keeping our C level stars at all costs.

The Hinkie Model of management scared the hell out of me. The Brand model not so much.

Embiid is probably a top-5 MVP candidate, Simmons is better than anybody else other than Giannis on the Bucks roster, and I would argue that Butler/Harris is at least as good as Middleton/Bledsoe, and perhaps better.

There is no question that the Bucks are having a great season, and are likely the favorites to come out of the East this year. However, it sounds like Sixers management is committed to re-signing both Butler and Harris. It will be interesting to see what the Bucks roster looks like in October.

[bebopdeluxe]

Is Tobias Harris really a guy you want to give a max contact to? He's now on his 5th team in what 7 seasons?

What the f does it matter how many teams he has been on?

Dude has a 60+% ts in the EXACT slot the Sixers need. And - fun fact - Harris' cap hold is smaller than Butler's, so if Butler walks, we have even MORE money to spend this summer, while retaining Harris.

I just find it ridiculously rich that, of all teams, a fan of the GOLDEN STATE WARRIORS (they of the NINETY MILLION DOLLAR LUXURY TAX) are commenting about ANY other team's salary decisions. I get it - it is all about the rings. But given that, where the f do you get off commenting about another team being willing to spend DRUNKEN SAILOR MONEY to win a ring?

Its a basketball message board where fans talk about general NBA discussion. I feel like I am in the appropriate place to have this discussion, thank you for wondering though.

Like I stated in my previous post. GS got extremely lucky with their cap and how it played out. They got KD when Steph was still on his massive bargain of a contract, and they signed both Draymond and Klay the year before the cap blew up. Klay and Draymond's contracts came out to paying them an average of 16 and 17 million a year. That luck is about to run out. I also dont think GS can afford to sign KD and Klay to the max, then sign Draymond to the max next year. I think either KD doesnt resign or they trade Draymond.

Fair comment. Apologize for the hyperbole.

The reason why teams like the SIxers are doing what they are doing is to try to compete with a team that will cost $244 million in salary and tax this season. And even if KD walks this summer, my guess is GSW will likely be in the $175-200 million range for salary/tax next season...so I don't get why a fan of the Dubs (a team who will continue to benefit from an ownership who will spend ridiculous money to try to win) would criticize another team's willingness to overpay players to try to keep up.

Does that make sense?

[Fencer reregistered]

Unfortunately, the Sixers have played this well. They were unlikely to add bigger stars than Butler or Harris, or ones who were better fits, so they committed to the best collection of stars they could.

[Stillwater]

Why are the Clippers doing this? Just clearing cap space?

were not going to pay Tobias so makes sense to use the $ on an all nba fa instead.
Both teams win here

[Duke4life831]

What the f does it matter how many teams he has been on?

Dude has a 60+% ts in the EXACT slot the Sixers need. And - fun fact - Harris' cap hold is smaller than Butler's, so if Butler walks, we have even MORE money to spend this summer, while retaining Harris.

I just find it ridiculously rich that, of all teams, a fan of the GOLDEN STATE WARRIORS (they of the NINETY MILLION DOLLAR LUXURY TAX) are commenting about ANY other team's salary decisions. I get it - it is all about the rings. But given that, where the f do you get off commenting about another team being willing to spend DRUNKEN SAILOR MONEY to win a ring?

Its a basketball message board where fans talk about general NBA discussion. I feel like I am in the appropriate place to have this discussion, thank you for wondering though.

Like I stated in my previous post. GS got extremely lucky with their cap and how it played out. They got KD when Steph was still on his massive bargain of a contract, and they signed both Draymond and Klay the year before the cap blew up. Klay and Draymond's contracts came out to paying them an average of 16 and 17 million a year. That luck is about to run out. I also dont think GS can afford to sign KD and Klay to the max, then sign Draymond to the max next year. I think either KD doesnt resign or they trade Draymond.

Fair comment. Apologize for the hyperbole.

The reason why teams like the SIxers are doing what they are doing is to try to compete with a team that will cost $244 million in salary and tax this season. And even if KD walks this summer, my guess is GSW will likely be in the $175-200 million range for salary/tax next season...so I don't get why a fan of the Dubs (a team who will continue to benefit from an ownership who will spend ridiculous money to try to win) would criticize another team's willingness to overpay players to try to keep up.

Does that make sense?

Its all good.

I really like the move, I think Tobias is going to be a perfect fit for you guys. I have to see it first, but if it works out the way I think it can, you guys can easily be the new favorites out of the East. So Im not criticizing the move for going all out to compete. I just think it was a pretty heavy price to pay for what could end up being a half a season rental. And if not, Im not sure if Tobias Harris is the guy I want pushing my team so far above the tax. Just like as a GS fan, I dont think Draymond is worth shattering the tax for GS. Again GS got as lucky as you possibly could with how their salaries played out. That is the only reason they have been able to have 4 stars playing together for this long. I think those days are over now for GS because those big time bargain contracts will turn into max contracts.

So again I get the move, I think it might have been an overpay with that unprotected Miami pick, which can end up being very valuable. But I get why Philly did it. I can also see Philly resigning both Butler and Tobias because you guys still have Simmons for one more year on his rookie deal. Then letting next year play out and seeing who out of Butler and Tobias fits better with Embiid/Simmons then moving the worse fit next summer.

This isnt a shot at Philly, I just dont see a team being able to keep 4 max contract players on one team. Again GS just got unbelievably lucky and that luck is about to be done and we wont see it anymore.

[Edrees]

Win win for both teams. Clippers got value back for someone they'd let go and sixers get an all star level player to help them make the finals

[ITYSL]

I don't really get the narrative that this hurts the Sixers' bench that much. They get Harris, Boban and Scott and gave up Chandler, Shamet and Muscala. It's a minor difference in MPG and a significant upgrade in total quality. It's a great deal for both teams IMO.