ESPN's 'The Last Dance' -- ongoing discussion

[Winsome Gerbil]

After Chuck's comments I looked up CHI/PHX Game 2 in 1993

Bulls win 111-108, and the score in the 4th quarter was 24-24, so likely a true dogfight/great game.

Barkley brings his MVP game:
42pts (16-26 0-1 10-12) 13reb 4ast 1stl 1blk 2TO

Michael counters with:
42pts (18-36 2-2 4-5) 12reb 9ast 2stl 0blk 5TO

Now that's a good ole fashioned high level HOF duel with everything at stake.


In Game 4 Chuck dropped a 32-12-10 triple double only to watch the Bulls win anyway as Michael dropped 55 the other way.

[jpengland]

I'm enjoying this, however, the grip Jordan has over the narrative is clear. Obviously that is the only way to bring him on board, but a true documentary really getting under the skin of some of the issues would be even more interesting.

Krause is a dick. But hes really getting screwed over here, he is entirely right that the organisation doesn't get the credit it deserves. If Krause doesn't do his job well, MJ wins zero rings and we aren't watching a documentary.

[tondi123]

Going after MJ for not getting involved in a senate race is dumb imo .

Just cause you are a great sports athlete doesn’t mean you should be expected to be involved in activism . If you wanna be great but if you don’t wanna be also great as many people don’t want to be involved in politics and that is ok

Left wing sports media only wanted him (and most other athletes) involved because they assumed he would be on their side. You never hear those same media types whining about why someone who may actually be a Republican is not involved enough in politics. Kind of like when someone doesn't want to go see Obama at the WH they are a prick but when they don't want to go see Trump they are doing their civic duty. Its all partisan BS disguised as something else.

[LKN]

Imagine the NBA from 94-00 without MJ. It might’ve died.

I know you are bing hyperbolic.... but those ratings don't lie:



1993, 1996, 1997 and 1998 remain the 4 highest rated finals ever. 1991 is 6th.

The 1986 finals is the only non MJ/Bulls series in the top 5

Honestly insane how high ratings are today! There's 1000x more to do today and ratings are THAT high, really is proof basketball's never been more popular.

Um, did you even look at the chart? Ratings dropped off massively from 1998 to 1999 and have been pretty consistent ever since.

[dhsilv2]

I know you are bing hyperbolic.... but those ratings don't lie:



1993, 1996, 1997 and 1998 remain the 4 highest rated finals ever. 1991 is 6th.

The 1986 finals is the only non MJ/Bulls series in the top 5

Honestly insane how high ratings are today! There's 1000x more to do today and ratings are THAT high, really is proof basketball's never been more popular.

Um, did you even look at the chart? Ratings dropped off massively from 1998 to 1999 and have been pretty consistent ever since.

That's impressive given ratings for more or less everything are down short of the NFL which is some kind of magical unicorn.

[Gooner]

Going after MJ for not getting involved in a senate race is dumb imo .

Just cause you are a great sports athlete doesn’t mean you should be expected to be involved in activism . If you wanna be great but if you don’t wanna be also great as many people don’t want to be involved in politics and that is ok

Left wing sports media only wanted him (and most other athletes) involved because they assumed he would be on their side. You never hear those same media types whining about why someone who may actually be a Republican is not involved enough in politics. Kind of like when someone doesn't want to go see Obama at the WH they are a prick but when they don't want to go see Trump they are doing their civic duty. Its all partisan BS disguised as something else.

The fact that Jordan refused to be a pawn in liberal agenda makes me respect him even more.

[Brofessor24]

The Lebron Last Dance documentary will start and end with him giving up on multiple teams once there was any sign of adversity.

The Durant Last Dance will begin and end with him joining a stronger team that he couldn’t beat the year before.

I’m sure they’ll twist both things w/ a narrative of how they needed to leave those awful situations, but very true that you can see the major difference in the mentality.

Also, KD needs to accomplish WAY more to be deserving of such a documentary.

IMO KD and LBJ had very valid reasons for wanting to leave their first teams. People have different opinions regarding those two players, and for the most part, a documentary isn't gonna change people's opinions. I personally hold those two players in very high regard, and I would love to watch a documentary about their careers.

To me, your last statement is downright comical. If Iverson got a documentary, KD definitely deserves one IMO (assuming that he actually wants a documentary to be made about him).

[Durant Durant]

Quote that neatly fits an overriding theme of the series

“When you get to the top, it’s great to be admired and respected,” Jordan says. “I’m not saying that wasn’t fun. But every time I would get by myself, I would think about the end of the season and the ultimate goal, holding up that championship trophy and being recognized as the best team in the world. … I’m going to give every little bit to get to it.”

Truly the GOAT.

Ep 5 started off with Kobe.

[BodieB]

The Lebron Last Dance documentary will start and end with him giving up on multiple teams once there was any sign of adversity.

The Durant Last Dance will begin and end with him joining a stronger team that he couldn’t beat the year before.

I’m sure they’ll twist both things w/ a narrative of how they needed to leave those awful situations, but very true that you can see the major difference in the mentality.

Also, KD needs to accomplish WAY more to be deserving of such a documentary.

IMO KD and LBJ had very valid reasons for wanting to leave their first teams. People have different opinions regarding those two players, and for the most part, a documentary isn't gonna change people's opinions. I personally hold those two players in very high regard, and I would love to watch a documentary about their careers.

To me, your last statement is downright comical. If Iverson got a documentary, KD definitely deserves one IMO (assuming that he actually wants a documentary to be made about him).

Players like AI, Lebron, and Kobe are much more interesting sports figures than Durant. He may get one but no one is clamoring for it.

[NBAFan93]

The Lebron Last Dance documentary will start and end with him giving up on multiple teams once there was any sign of adversity.

The Durant Last Dance will begin and end with him joining a stronger team that he couldn’t beat the year before.

I’m sure they’ll twist both things w/ a narrative of how they needed to leave those awful situations, but very true that you can see the major difference in the mentality.

Also, KD needs to accomplish WAY more to be deserving of such a documentary.

IMO KD and LBJ had very valid reasons for wanting to leave their first teams. People have different opinions regarding those two players, and for the most part, a documentary isn't gonna change people's opinions. I personally hold those two players in very high regard, and I would love to watch a documentary about their careers.

To me, your last statement is downright comical. If Iverson got a documentary, KD definitely deserves one IMO (assuming that he actually wants a documentary to be made about him).

What has KD he done to deserve a 10 part last dance type documentary? Iverson’s documentary is like a couple hours - not 10 hour long chapters/parts. KDs story could never fill that much content. Not even close.

And Iverson has a much more interesting story dating back to his youth.

[NBAFan93]

I’m sure they’ll twist both things w/ a narrative of how they needed to leave those awful situations, but very true that you can see the major difference in the mentality.

Also, KD needs to accomplish WAY more to be deserving of such a documentary.

IMO KD and LBJ had very valid reasons for wanting to leave their first teams. People have different opinions regarding those two players, and for the most part, a documentary isn't gonna change people's opinions. I personally hold those two players in very high regard, and I would love to watch a documentary about their careers.

To me, your last statement is downright comical. If Iverson got a documentary, KD definitely deserves one IMO (assuming that he actually wants a documentary to be made about him).

Players like AI, Lebron, and Kobe are much more interesting sports figures than Durant. He may get one but no one is clamoring for it.

Exactly. You could do this type of documentary w/ those guys, but not KD. When he won his titles it wasn’t even clear he was the best player on his teams? That one season he didn’t even play in the first round?

[prolific passer]

Waiting for Barkley's documentary called "The Last Doughnut."

Also after the first 3 peat you can already see Krause talking about the organization.

[lazybatman]

I’m sure they’ll twist both things w/ a narrative of how they needed to leave those awful situations, but very true that you can see the major difference in the mentality.

Also, KD needs to accomplish WAY more to be deserving of such a documentary.

IMO KD and LBJ had very valid reasons for wanting to leave their first teams. People have different opinions regarding those two players, and for the most part, a documentary isn't gonna change people's opinions. I personally hold those two players in very high regard, and I would love to watch a documentary about their careers.

To me, your last statement is downright comical. If Iverson got a documentary, KD definitely deserves one IMO (assuming that he actually wants a documentary to be made about him).

What has KD he done to deserve a 10 part last dance type documentary? Iverson’s documentary is like a couple hours - not 10 hour long chapters/parts. KDs story could never fill that much content. Not even close.

And Iverson has a much more interesting story dating back to his youth.

KD would need 20 hrs.. b*tches got a lot to say..

[bamheat]

Why the hell was Kobe an all star in 98?

[trickshot]

I'm enjoying this, however, the grip Jordan has over the narrative is clear. Obviously that is the only way to bring him on board, but a true documentary really getting under the skin of some of the issues would be even more interesting.

Krause is a dick. But hes really getting screwed over here, he is entirely right that the organisation doesn't get the credit it deserves. If Krause doesn't do his job well, MJ wins zero rings and we aren't watching a documentary.

He is but you wonder if he deserves it. You hear of teammates wanting credit but not a GM. Also suspect Reinsdorf's approval must have been needed for some parts of the documentary so they couldn't go to town on him as much as they would like. Krause and Reinsdorf were the bad guys at the time

[prolific passer]

Why the hell was Kobe an all star in 98?

Because I said so.
Should have won 6th man of the year that year.

[Brofessor24]

I’m sure they’ll twist both things w/ a narrative of how they needed to leave those awful situations, but very true that you can see the major difference in the mentality.

Also, KD needs to accomplish WAY more to be deserving of such a documentary.

IMO KD and LBJ had very valid reasons for wanting to leave their first teams. People have different opinions regarding those two players, and for the most part, a documentary isn't gonna change people's opinions. I personally hold those two players in very high regard, and I would love to watch a documentary about their careers.

To me, your last statement is downright comical. If Iverson got a documentary, KD definitely deserves one IMO (assuming that he actually wants a documentary to be made about him).

What has KD he done to deserve a 10 part last dance type documentary? Iverson’s documentary is like a couple hours - not 10 hour long chapters/parts. KDs story could never fill that much content. Not even close.

And Iverson has a much more interesting story dating back to his youth.

I was talking about a two hour documentary, not a 10 part documentary.

[trickshot]

I wish Kobe got to watch this, as a fellow MJ fan he would have been geeking out just as much as most of us.

At least Kim Jong Un gets to see it. Apparently he's a massive Jordan/Bulls fan. Even invited him to North Korea but he refused

[Brofessor24]

IMO KD and LBJ had very valid reasons for wanting to leave their first teams. People have different opinions regarding those two players, and for the most part, a documentary isn't gonna change people's opinions. I personally hold those two players in very high regard, and I would love to watch a documentary about their careers.

To me, your last statement is downright comical. If Iverson got a documentary, KD definitely deserves one IMO (assuming that he actually wants a documentary to be made about him).

Players like AI, Lebron, and Kobe are much more interesting sports figures than Durant. He may get one but no one is clamoring for it.

Exactly. You could do this type of documentary w/ those guys, but not KD. When he won his titles it wasn’t even clear he was the best player on his teams? That one season he didn’t even play in the first round?

To me it was clear.

[jwise44]

His god line to randy brown was so awesome

Honestly made me like him so much more than I already did