2021-22 Rookie Thread

[Roger Murdock]

A good goal for Mobley as a rookie would be making all D 2nd team. I think he can.

[Vampirate]

A good goal for Mobley as a rookie would be making all D 2nd team. I think he can.

I'll repeat what I said before, in order to score on him effectively you basically need to be a Superstar offensively already or just have the right height, arm length, speed and strength.

He's a tree and his reach with his arms can cover ground even if smaller guards blow by him.

You need to straight up overpower him, or shoot well outside the 3 point line, layups are going to be gobbled up by him.

[rolling_91]

People use the term NBA ready mostly for fundamentally sound yet unathletic guys. Those are the opposite of NBA ready.
Like Cade. People say he is NBA ready. Athleticism and quickness are his big question marks. Either those won't be a problem and he will blossom into an allstar, or he won't have the necessary quicks to beat his defenders off the dribble. And then he is useless as a primary ballhandler. That's not being NBA ready, that's as boom or bust as it comes.

Athelticism and quickness is a bottle neck, especially for primary ballhandlers. If you can't beat your man off the dribble, can't get to the rim even though you're supposed to be an on ball guy, then you're skillset won't be any good for you.

What ive been saying for a while. If youre athleticism isnt great, if youre not explosive and cant get a step on guys, then youre skillset has to be special. I dont see that in Suggs and while i somewhat see it in Cade, i dont see it to the level of superstar. If Cade was bigger like 6'8 or 6'9 and could rely on his size like a Luka Doncic, i'd feel different. I feel Cade will be very good and an all-star level player, just not a franchise guy. I dont see Suggs being more than just a solid starter

If Suggs can’t play the point then his future is a 3 and D two guard. Like you said, he doesn’t have the offensive repertoire or the athleticism to be an NBA SG. He’s really a prime example of a tweener, not skilled enough to be a PG and not possessed with the game to play SG. To me he projects as a backup guard who gives you great defense and say 15 pts a night.

The only thing that gives you pause is that Suggs is a winner. Just possessed with all of the qualities of a winner so you know he could figure it out.

But some people were comparing him to Brandon Roy. Not even close.

[CraftylikeaFox]

People use the term NBA ready mostly for fundamentally sound yet unathletic guys. Those are the opposite of NBA ready.
Like Cade. People say he is NBA ready. Athleticism and quickness are his big question marks. Either those won't be a problem and he will blossom into an allstar, or he won't have the necessary quicks to beat his defenders off the dribble. And then he is useless as a primary ballhandler. That's not being NBA ready, that's as boom or bust as it comes.

Athelticism and quickness is a bottle neck, especially for primary ballhandlers. If you can't beat your man off the dribble, can't get to the rim even though you're supposed to be an on ball guy, then you're skillset won't be any good for you.

What ive been saying for a while. If youre athleticism isnt great, if youre not explosive and cant get a step on guys, then youre skillset has to be special. I dont see that in Suggs and while i somewhat see it in Cade, i dont see it to the level of superstar. If Cade was bigger like 6'8 or 6'9 and could rely on his size like a Luka Doncic, i'd feel different. I feel Cade will be very good and an all-star level player, just not a franchise guy. I dont see Suggs being more than just a solid starter

If Suggs can’t play the point then his future is a 3 and D two guard. Like you said, he doesn’t have the offensive repertoire or the athleticism to be an NBA SG. He’s really a prime example of a tweener, not skilled enough to be a PG and not possessed with the game to play SG. To me he projects as a backup guard who gives you great defense and say 15 pts a night.

The only thing that gives you pause is that Suggs is a winner. Just possessed with all of the qualities of a winner so you know he could figure it out.

But some people were comparing him to Brandon Roy. Not even close.

In terms of where Suggs ceiling is, Brandon Roy is certainly a good comparison. Roy was a master of none, good at everything, not spectacular anywhere type of player who also was kind of a back and forth guard with excellent leadership skills. That's Suggs to a tee. Whether or not Suggs gets there is an entirely different question. But discrediting him altogether and projecting him as a bench player after such a small sample size is ridiculous.

[rolling_91]

Roy was special. Could play 1-3 and run the point. You don’t know what you’re talking about

[mediocrityrules]

Top draft picks all looking good so far: -

https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/stats/2022/Averages/Qualified/points/All/desc/1/Regular_Season?rookies=

[Jadoogar]

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Some more amazing defense from Mobley.
Dare I allow myself to get excited about the Cavs?

[Mr Loggins]

It’s amazing what a week can do. All of the sudden the cavs trajectory seems much better.

[mademan]

While I have been disappointed with Suggs, you have to take in to perspective what is going on around him. The Magic had the youngest starting line up on opening night in NBA HISTORY with a first year head coach. Whereas other rookies like barnes are in a well oiled system already.

Suggs clearly isnt a PG and is more of a SG, but he needs to work on his dribbling and stay under control. His issue right now is he dribbles into the paint without knowing what he is going to do and either throws up a wild shot or gets the ball knocked away from him. It doesnt help that he plays with another non PG in Cole Anthony.

I think once Fultz is back it will benefit Suggs a lot having an actual PG on the floor with him. Suggs has the talent, he just needs direction on how to best use that talent.

This isnt a commentary on Suggs season thus far, this is how ive felt about him for a while, and more importantly, a philosophy i have about guard play. You cant be a star offensive guard if you cant either explode past people and dont have a special skillset, and thats Suggs. Now i expect him to improve, but you rarely see guys develop top tier handles/creativity/creation skills once in the league. They refine those skills, but they come in with them

Eh i don't agree with this. The term "special skillset" is so vague. Jalen just needs to let the game come to him. He tends to rush a lot right now and is missing shots that I think he will eventually start knocking down.

You can't say that guys dont develop top tier handles/creativity/creation skills once in the league, because if that were the case we wouldnt see drastic improvement from players. Oladipo (before injury) is a great example of someone who did develop all the above after being in the league for a few years. I am sure there are many more, but too lazy to look up more players.

Oladipo has never been a guy who used elite skillset (handles/shooting) for his game. He's developed a solid skillset, for sure, and ive said guys can do that, but i have yet to see a player come in without elite handles (creativity, creation with them) and develop them. I had this convo on the raps board for a while during the draft time, and believe me, it was like 95% wanted Suggs. I cant believe in a guard who cant create in the halfcourt. A guy like Suggs certainly has use with his intangibles/size/open court athleticism and defensive tenacity, but i never saw him as a star offensive player. If im wrong on it, ill eat crow, but i just cant see it.

[basketballRob]

Looks good, but I'd put Franz at 2.

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Franz has played great. But you buggin out if you think he's number two. I'd understand a case for Duarte. The earliest I'd put franz on this list is 5. Which is still very good, better than where I'd put Suggs.

Ya man, you making us Magic fans look bad. We should be ecstatic he's even being talked about considering how badly he played in summer league and preseason, so this is a huge surprise.

Summer league and preseason have nothing to do with the regular season.

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[yoyoboy]

It’s amazing what a week can do. All of the sudden the cavs trajectory seems much better.

It goes to show what drafting a true game changer can do for a franchise. Completely turned around this franchise’s future and might end up saving Altman’s job.

[Funcrusher]

Green is a **** finisher... I know he needs to gain weight but he can't even really finish with craft well. Doesn't seem to have good touch at all. It's early though so hopefully he adjusts.

[SOUL]

Jalen Green will be okay once he starts getting foul calls and hits the weight room a bit. Still has no FT.

[The Moose]

so Green is up to 59 field goal attempts with 0 free throw attempts

[Capn'O]

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Some more amazing defense from Mobley.
Dare I allow myself to get excited about the Cavs?

Just get excited for Mobley like me.

They have some housecleaning to do but with the right moves... it's gonna be hard not to build well around this guy.

[bkseven]

Jalen Green will be okay once he starts getting foul calls and hits the weight room a bit. Still has no FT.

That’s hilarious. Didn’t even realize it. Many were raving over him getting FTs in summer league.

[bkseven]

so Green is up to 59 field goal attempts with 0 free throw attempts

What happened to all those summer league free throws

[God Squad]

People use the term NBA ready mostly for fundamentally sound yet unathletic guys. Those are the opposite of NBA ready.
Like Cade. People say he is NBA ready. Athleticism and quickness are his big question marks. Either those won't be a problem and he will blossom into an allstar, or he won't have the necessary quicks to beat his defenders off the dribble. And then he is useless as a primary ballhandler. That's not being NBA ready, that's as boom or bust as it comes.

Athelticism and quickness is a bottle neck, especially for primary ballhandlers. If you can't beat your man off the dribble, can't get to the rim even though you're supposed to be an on ball guy, then you're skillset won't be any good for you.

What ive been saying for a while. If youre athleticism isnt great, if youre not explosive and cant get a step on guys, then youre skillset has to be special. I dont see that in Suggs and while i somewhat see it in Cade, i dont see it to the level of superstar. If Cade was bigger like 6'8 or 6'9 and could rely on his size like a Luka Doncic, i'd feel different. I feel Cade will be very good and an all-star level player, just not a franchise guy. I dont see Suggs being more than just a solid starter

While I have been disappointed with Suggs, you have to take in to perspective what is going on around him. The Magic had the youngest starting line up on opening night in NBA HISTORY with a first year head coach. Whereas other rookies like barnes are in a well oiled system already.

Suggs clearly isnt a PG and is more of a SG, but he needs to work on his dribbling and stay under control. His issue right now is he dribbles into the paint without knowing what he is going to do and either throws up a wild shot or gets the ball knocked away from him. It doesnt help that he plays with another non PG in Cole Anthony.

I think once Fultz is back it will benefit Suggs a lot having an actual PG on the floor with him. Suggs has the talent, he just needs direction on how to best use that talent.

Oh I totally agree about Barnes being in the perfect system. But also remember he was deemed as project, especially on the offensive end. But yet he's shooting a .560 from the floor while providing amazing defense, while Suggs is shooting .288. But Suggs himself looks to be a good defender so hopefully he figures the efficiency out.

[God Squad]

so Green is up to 59 field goal attempts with 0 free throw attempts

That is ugly af. Just shows the type of shots he settles for and his lack of creativity at the rim.

[everdiso]

What ive been saying for a while. If youre athleticism isnt great, if youre not explosive and cant get a step on guys, then youre skillset has to be special. I dont see that in Suggs and while i somewhat see it in Cade, i dont see it to the level of superstar. If Cade was bigger like 6'8 or 6'9 and could rely on his size like a Luka Doncic, i'd feel different. I feel Cade will be very good and an all-star level player, just not a franchise guy. I dont see Suggs being more than just a solid starter

While I have been disappointed with Suggs, you have to take in to perspective what is going on around him. The Magic had the youngest starting line up on opening night in NBA HISTORY with a first year head coach. Whereas other rookies like barnes are in a well oiled system already.

Suggs clearly isnt a PG and is more of a SG, but he needs to work on his dribbling and stay under control. His issue right now is he dribbles into the paint without knowing what he is going to do and either throws up a wild shot or gets the ball knocked away from him. It doesnt help that he plays with another non PG in Cole Anthony.

I think once Fultz is back it will benefit Suggs a lot having an actual PG on the floor with him. Suggs has the talent, he just needs direction on how to best use that talent.

Oh I totally agree about Barnes being in the perfect system. But also remember he was deemed as project, especially on the offensive end. But yet he's shooting a .560 from the floor while providing amazing defense, while Suggs is shooting .288. But Suggs himself looks to be a good defender so hopefully he figures the efficiency out.

Eh, scottie is hardly playing on a "well-oiled" squad right now. Only 2 established raps rotation guys have played so far (FVV and OG), and they were only #3/4 options prior. Scottish been playing alongside two new fresh faced 22yr olds in the starting lineup in Precious and Trent, and the bench has been all new players as well.

Siakam coming back should help, tho - but even then, there's been far too much roster turnover for this squad to be well oiled in any sense at this point.