2021-22 NBA Rookie Thread (part 2)

[Capn'O]

I said in the draft forum that Mobley was who I would have picked number 1 from watching all those guys play, but the NBA has such a stylistic issue that sometimes you overthink the selections. Good for Cleveland though. This guy is the franchise. You build around him first, before you think about anyone else.

I think he even surprised them, which is why they went out and got Lauri. They were figuring he'd take a minute to settle and now they're in a bit of a pickle. Not a bad problem to have though.

As for the comp - in terms of what he can do, Davis is correct but his approach is Duncan through and through. I felt almost... like if somebody's gonna whoop our butts I'm glad it was him.

Markkenen added floor spacing, he was not brought in to start ahead of Evan.

Sure. But I don't think you bring him in if you're thinking of Mobley as a 35 mpg game changer off the bat.

[JonFromVA]

Gotta see the reply of this NYK game looks like a marquee performance for Mobley.

Anywhere to watch game replays other than league pass?

He killed us tonight. I'm telling you, this kid is bananas.

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The play at 2:01

On Mobley's dunk at 2:01, two Knicks defenders decided they'd better stay put on Allen than contest Evan.

For someone who has completely embraced the idea of spacing the floor with shooters, it's really fascinating to watch how an anachronistic team like the Cavs take advantage of "vertical spacing".

One of the keys has been the passing, ball movement, and 48 minutes of quality PG play. Evan's willingness to pass makes that play happen.

Not for this thread, but it's interesting to contemplate why Allen and Mobley combined to go 19-30 in the game while Robinson and Noel combined to go 5-5. Nothing wrong with the Knicks big's efficiency ... the trick is creating shot attempts for them ... something young points do not always learn on their own in HS/AAU/NCAA.

[JonFromVA]

I think he even surprised them, which is why they went out and got Lauri. They were figuring he'd take a minute to settle and now they're in a bit of a pickle. Not a bad problem to have though.

As for the comp - in terms of what he can do, Davis is correct but his approach is Duncan through and through. I felt almost... like if somebody's gonna whoop our butts I'm glad it was him.

Markkenen added floor spacing, he was not brought in to start ahead of Evan.

Sure. But I don't think you bring him in if you're thinking of Mobley as a 35 mpg game changer off the bat.

The Cavs have force fed their past 3 lottery picks in to the starting lineup, there was little doubt they were going to do the same with a top-3 pick they expected to be a franchise caliber player from before the draft. Getting their hands on him after the draft only reinforced their belief in him. Summer league was not a factor because they had no PG play.

Starting Lauri at SF was an experiment, but there was no question there would be times in the game he or Evan could slide over there. So, minute wise there was 96 minutes at PF/C to split up and probably another 16 minutes at SF ... or 112 mpg - which is enough to even still get Love reduced minutes.

[Bruin]

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[Capn'O]

He killed us tonight. I'm telling you, this kid is bananas.

Watch on YouTube

The play at 2:01

On Mobley's dunk at 2:01, two Knicks defenders decided they'd better stay put on Allen than contest Evan.

For someone who has completely embraced the idea of spacing the floor with shooters, it's really fascinating to watch how an anachronistic team like the Cavs take advantage of "vertical spacing".

One of the keys has been the passing, ball movement, and 48 minutes of quality PG play. Evan's willingness to pass makes that play happen.

Not for this thread, but it's interesting to contemplate why Allen and Mobley combined to go 19-30 in the game while Robinson and Noel combined to go 5-5. Nothing wrong with the Knicks big's efficiency ... the trick is creating shot attempts for them ... something young points do not always learn on their own in HS/AAU/NCAA.

Rubio played a masterful game.

[Bruin]

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[JonFromVA]

Hey StatMuse, which rookie leads the NBA in BPM?

"Sorry, I can't answer questions about box plus-minus... yet. "

So much for StatMuse .. but while BBR wants money to answer specific questions like this, it does appears Mobley is back to being the only rookie with a positive BPM (PER should have been buried and forgotten years ago).

[basketballRob]

Wagner leads rookies with 2.9 deflections per game.

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[TheProfessor]

Mobley is definitely a cut above every other rookie (kid screams All-NBA), but I am definitely more impressed by Barnes and Wagner, did not expect either of them to be this developed this fast. Suggs has been disappointing and still giving Cade the benefit of the doubt because Detroit is devoid of offensive talent and shooting.

[Fat]

Jeremiah Robinson earl is not bad for a second rounder

[HomoSapien]

Obviously not a ROY candidate, but Ayo deserves some love. He’s had a couple big performances off the bench. Dude’s equipped with some Sam Cassell sized balls.

[nowayguy]

Hey StatMuse, which rookie leads the NBA in BPM?

"Sorry, I can't answer questions about box plus-minus... yet. "

So much for StatMuse .. but while BBR wants money to answer specific questions like this, it does appears Mobley is back to being the only rookie with a positive BPM (PER should have been buried and forgotten years ago).

Dalano Banton's BPM is 3 on 132 minutes. Box Plus/Minus has it's own problems and I'm not sure it's valuable until you're near the end of the season.

[Creativetran]

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My boy Suggs killing it he's all by himself... a league of his own!

[Creativetran]

Wagner leads rookies with 2.9 deflections per game.

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Im so glad he's balling, he looked sooooooooooo bad in summer league and preseason...ALMOST makes up for Suggs lack of a shot right now, at least I have that to look forward to.

[Bruin]

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My boy Suggs killing it he's all by himself... a league of his own!

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[Statlanta]

The bottom 5 teams all had one goal. Find a stud in the draft. Cleveland passed with flying colors.

[JonFromVA]

The bottom 5 teams all had one goal. Find a stud in the draft. Cleveland passed with flying colors.

Cavs fans are quite relieved that our pick this year is contributing right away, but our last 3 picks were at or near the bottom of the league as rooks because we started them, didn't put much around them, and gave them minutes they didn't earn and weren't ready for.

All I can say, is keep looking for those glimpses that you got the right guy - consistency and polish come with time.

To Mobley's credit, the story goes that after struggling with physicality in Summer league he reached out to the Cavs and hooked up with their strength and conditioning trainers and added (drum roll) ~ 11 pound of muscle between then and training camp. Why he's still listed at 215lbs, though, is a mystery.

I've been keeping an eye on the roster heights/weights to see if they updated and never noticed anything. Has the NBA changed their policy of publishing the real data during training camp, or is this just another one of those fictitious Summer work-out stories?

But I'm sure we all imagined a possibility that Mobley would get pushed around so much he'd initially struggle on offense and defense, that he hasn't is a testament to his IQ and skill. Mike Schmidt on the Lowe Post the other day that he asked Evan about exploiting smaller players on switches, and Evan said something along the lines of that's not part of his game at this point and that they should look for other ways to attack the defense when it happens. Which pretty much makes him the Anti-Dwight ... he's not going to insist on doing things he doesn't do well.

[JonFromVA]

Hey StatMuse, which rookie leads the NBA in BPM?

"Sorry, I can't answer questions about box plus-minus... yet. "

So much for StatMuse .. but while BBR wants money to answer specific questions like this, it does appears Mobley is back to being the only rookie with a positive BPM (PER should have been buried and forgotten years ago).

Dalano Banton's BPM is 3 on 132 minutes. Box Plus/Minus has it's own problems and I'm not sure it's valuable until you're near the end of the season.

You might expand on that because as I understand it, the TPA chart that keeps getting thrown around ranking our rooks is a BPM derived stat.

[basketballRob]

Wagner leads rookies with 2.9 deflections per game.

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Im so glad he's balling, he looked sooooooooooo bad in summer league and preseason...ALMOST makes up for Suggs lack of a shot right now, at least I have that to look forward to.

Franz and Mobley look way better during the season. Summer league isn't a good arena for players like them.

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[DroseReturnChi]

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My boy Suggs killing it he's all by himself... a league of his own!

lmao im shocked bust wagner is a higher ceiling than suggs. my draft expert skills is as bad as koc saying hayes is number 1 prospect.
But the consolation for magic is they are only yr 1 and can afford busts when they won the bulls trade by a landslide each carter/wagner is already better than their former guy. whats important is if they can get a mobley type in next 3 yrs.