Eurobasket 2022 (daily OP updates), day 11, all quarter finals teams known, Italy shocks Europe, eliminates Serbia

[Beorn]

Lithuanians also have very stupid word for basketball, Lithuanians in general try to ''lithuanize'' everything, a lot of people push back against it, we had so many stupid words for items and things that just either have international term or just accepted English term. In general, Lithuanian language, unlike Italian or English has very complex declension system, you really need to at least add lithuanian endings to basically every word, otherwise it would just not make sense. So, in Lithuania, LeBron James becomes LeBronas Jamesas etc. and that LeBronas Jamesas would have another 10 alternatives depending on the declension used.

Yeah... Greek, German, Slavic languages have declension too, probably many more languages around the world. My name is Spyros but when you talk to me it's Spyro, when you say something belongs to me it's Spyrou, and so on. Try to explain that to an Australian LOL

Well, Lithuanians have something like ~7 declensions, this has to be a record among european languanges

@UCAN As esu is graiku. ne kalbu ir ne suprantu lietuviskai I spent a semester in your country, I took some courses, 5 years later I only remember the nouns for foodstuff

[UcanUwill]

Lithuanians also have very stupid word for basketball, Lithuanians in general try to ''lithuanize'' everything, a lot of people push back against it, we had so many stupid words for items and things that just either have international term or just accepted English term. In general, Lithuanian language, unlike Italian or English has very complex declension system, you really need to at least add lithuanian endings to basically every word, otherwise it would just not make sense. So, in Lithuania, LeBron James becomes LeBronas Jamesas etc. and that LeBronas Jamesas would have another 10 alternatives depending on the declension used.

Yeah... Greek, German, Slavic languages have declension too, probably many more languages around the world. My name is Spyros but when you talk to me it's Spyro, when you say something belongs to me it's Spyrou, and so on. Try to explain that to an Australian LOL

Well, Lithuanians have something like ~7 declensions, this has to be a record among european languanges

@UCAN As esu is graiku. ne kalbu ir ne suprantu lietuviskai I spent a semester in your country, I took some courses, 5 years later I only remember the nouns for foodstuff

Another uncommon, I think its uncommon thing about Lithuanian language, at least amongst latin languages, that you might have noticed if you follow female sports, is that male and female family names are different. It is similar to cyrilic languages just with bigger nuances.

For example. take Jonas Valančiūnas. His last name is Valančiūnas, if he had a son, his family (last name) would also be Valančiūnas. But if he had a daughter, her last name would Valančiūnaitė, but his wife is Valančiūnienė. Not only that females will have different endings of their name, womans maiden name and married name is different. It comes in handy, cause you can always tell which woman is married already haha. If woman has a name that ends in -ienė, or sometimes just -ė, its her husbands name...

That is why to Lithuanian speakers, it always weird to see American-Lithuanian woman, who came from Lithuanian family with Lithuanian name, but because she is from English speaking country, where male and female names are the same, so she just has a male name. Like that fighter - Rose Namajunas. Her name is weird to lithuanian, because Namajunas is a male name, there can't be female Namajunas, it is just not how it works. If she was Lithuanian, I am not saying she is cause shes not, but if she was, her name would be Rose Namajunaitė.

Back on topic, Andrew ALbicy recovers from injury and should join France final squad. France still waiting on Fall situation, there is a chance he recovers too.

[Pachinko_]

That is why to Lithuanian speakers, it always weird to see American-Lithuanian woman, who came from Lithuanian family with Lithuanian name, but because she is from English speaking country, where male and female names are the same, so she just has a male name. Like that fighter - Rose Namajunas. Her name is weird to lithuanian, because Namajunas is a male name, there can't be female Namajunas, it is just not how it works. If she was Lithuanian, I am not saying she is cause shes not, but if she was, her name would be Rose Namajunaitė.

It's the same for my daughters. Because they were born in Australia their last name in their passport is exactly the same as mine, so if we go back to Greece they have to live life with a male last name
I'm telling you man, you're not alone in this

[UcanUwill]

It's the same for my daughters. Because they were born in Australia their last name in their passport is exactly the same as mine, so if we go back to Greece they have to live life with a male last name

This is terrible I always though Lithuanian and Greek names were kinda similar. I mean they are completely different, but has similaries, similar syllables, similar endings. Like Kostas is greek name but also a Lithuanian name. Papaloukas is not at all a Lithuanian name, but if you have a name that ends with as, you are on the right track. There were few instances in life where I saw a greek name and wondered, is that a greek, or a Lithuanian name. Kostas Tsimikas is very clearly a greek name, but if I suspended my disbelief, I could probably believe thats a Lithuanian man, it is close enough, there were far better exmaples, but I cant think of those now of the top of my head.

[CharityStripe34]

All the Mediterranean languages have masculine and feminine versions of the same word in many instances. Good times. My favorite pastime is, here in the States where I live, translating something from Greek into English literally.

[Swuul]

Finnish is an easy language to learn.

[lambchop]

Finnish is an easy language to learn.

Lol I can essentially speak 7 languages and wouldn't even consider learning Finnish after seeing that picture. They say Hungarian is even worse though. Lol.

[UcanUwill]

All the Mediterranean languages have masculine and feminine versions of the same word in many instances. Good times. My favorite pastime is, here in the States where I live, translating something from Greek into English literally.

Nothing more painful than translating. Like I feel like I can speak foreign language sometimes, but when I need to translate something, I realize how inept my skill really is. SOmetimes in work I need to translate something in englsh, and it can be very hard. But on the other hand, after 11 years, I am so used to talk about basketball in English, I cant engage in any other language, because some languages just do not have equivalent words for something like post up, face up, even efficiency. Like I dont understand how to speak about this sport in non english anymore, and my english suck.

As a person, who barely speak ENglish, I just recently realized that one of my biggest errors with this, relatively easy language, is syllable system and how ENglish language divide words into syllable. It is so counterintuitive IMO, that and entire pronounciation system is where Englsih gets funky and harder than most other languages.

Like, using Valanciunas as example again. I would divide the world like that - Va-lan-ciu-nas. But it seems that English speakers do it this way - Val-an-ciun-as. I use this example because Valanciunas is one name NBA announcers pronounce almost perfectly, but when you know how they divide the word for them to make sense how to pronounce it, you notice the difference in the pronouncaition. I would say Va-lan, but AMericans and Canadians always say Val-an. When you just say entire world relatively fast, it almost makes no difference, but when you know how they syllable it, you notice the difference.

That a big reason why we have thick accents I think. It is not the main reason, but it is a factor. SImple word as ''moral'', i bet every eastern European sees word ''moral'', and tries to say it mo-ral, thats how you divide this simple 2 syllable word, right? Well, no, in Englsih, it is mor-al. It took me 20 years to realize that, but now my accent becomes a little less atrocious, cause I get it is mor-al, not mo-ral.

[Sgt Major]

As far as I know, Finnish and Hungarian are in the same language group just because there's no languages they're similar to, so the linguists simply put those two in one group as they don't belong anywhere else.

[CharityStripe34]

So far I've yet to see if perhaps NBA TV would show that Greece/Serbia match on Thursday. They're showing a documentary on the 89-92 Clyde the Glide Blazer teams. I'm sure both Greek and Serbian state TV stations will have streaming links.

[UcanUwill]

This is how Euro region looks now. Top 3 teams from each group advances



Goup I. big take away is Serbia, they are in a pretty bad shape, been struggling with their window rosters, they need to take advantage of current Eurobasket squad, if they lose games now, it seems like World cup without Serbia is very likely outcome.

Group J has no big surprises. Seems like Finland and Germany need a major choke to not make it at this point.

Group K is very wide open, France and Lithuania seem comfortable, but far from safe yet.

Group L. Iceland has a real chance, that would be a historic moment, it would be crazy but everything is in their hands. Italy and Spain aren't losing this group though.

[Pachinko_]

That a big reason why we have thick accents I think. It is not the main reason, but it is a factor. SImple word as ''moral'', i bet every eastern European sees word ''moral'', and tries to say it mo-ral, thats how you divide this simple 2 syllable word, right? Well, no, in Englsih, it is mor-al. It took me 20 years to realize that, but now my accent becomes a little less atrocious, cause I get it is mor-al, not mo-ral.

There's no such thing as an atrocious accent in English, they are all equally nice and equally atrocious because English simply has no pronunciation rules, it's not a phonetic language. English speakers around the world basically abuse the language in different ways, just making sure they abuse it consistently with the people around them so they can feel they belong

[UcanUwill]

American groups. 7 team qualify. Looks pretty straight forward this, Colombia, Panama and Bahamas aren't getting in, I don't see it. Puerto Rico and Uruguay I also fear are getting the bump. Canada looks like the surest thing to make this at the moment.

[UcanUwill]

That a big reason why we have thick accents I think. It is not the main reason, but it is a factor. SImple word as ''moral'', i bet every eastern European sees word ''moral'', and tries to say it mo-ral, thats how you divide this simple 2 syllable word, right? Well, no, in Englsih, it is mor-al. It took me 20 years to realize that, but now my accent becomes a little less atrocious, cause I get it is mor-al, not mo-ral.

There's no such thing as an atrocious accent in English, they are all equally nice and equally atrocious because English simply has no pronunciation rules, it's not a phonetic language. English speakers around the world basically abuse the language in different ways, just making sure they abuse it consistently with the people around them so they can feel they belong

it isn't equally nice, have you listen eastern European speak ENglish, thats what I have. Compare French speaking English to me speaking English, it is not equally nice man, not at all

[GeorgeSears]

This is how Euro region looks now. Top 3 teams from each group advances

Goup I. big take away is Serbia, they are in a pretty bad shape, been struggling with their window rosters, they need to take advantage of current Eurobasket squad, if they lose games now, it seems like World cup without Serbia is very likely outcome.

This is a good thing for the Nuggets. Probably not good for Serbia. I don't want to see Jokic worn down heading into a season with massive expectations.

I watched Slovenia vs. Serbia game and it was embarrassing to watch. None of those players on Serbia have any chance of making the NBA. In OT they missed like 4 wide open 3s. They couldn't get the ball into Jokic. It was Denver without Murray and MPJ all over again, but with worse talent.

So why have Jokic burn himself out for a tournament that doesn't matter. Everyone would prefer he saves his energy for the NBA season. After all, he does have a Silver medal. That's more than most can brag about.

[lambchop]

This is how Euro region looks now. Top 3 teams from each group advances

Goup I. big take away is Serbia, they are in a pretty bad shape, been struggling with their window rosters, they need to take advantage of current Eurobasket squad, if they lose games now, it seems like World cup without Serbia is very likely outcome.

This is a good thing for the Nuggets. Probably not good for Serbia. I don't want to see Jokic worn down heading into a season with massive expectations.

I watched Slovenia vs. Serbia game and it was embarrassing to watch. None of those players on Serbia have any chance of making the NBA. In OT they missed like 4 wide open 3s. They couldn't get the ball into Jokic. It was Denver without Murray and MPJ all over again, but with worse talent.

So why have Jokic burn himself out for a tournament that doesn't matter. Everyone would prefer he saves his energy for the NBA season. After all, he does have a Silver medal. That's more than most can brag about.

Pretty much none of the players participating in the tournament have a shot at making the NBA, apart from the ones that are already NBA players. But, yea, with Bogdanovic out due to injury Serbia doesn't have many quality players to support Jokic.

Plus, I think you're mixing up the tournaments. If Serbia loses the game this week, it means Jokic won't play next summer at the world cup. He's still going to play this summer at the Eurobasket, barring injury.

[Nuntius]

As far as I know, Finnish and Hungarian are in the same language group just because there's no languages they're similar to, so the linguists simply put those two in one group as they don't belong anywhere else.

Well, no, not quite. There is a term for languages with no known relatives and that's a language isolate. The Basque language is considered a language isolate. Linguists have hypothesized several possible relatives but nothing has been conclusive proven yet (hence the use of the word hypothesis). The Aquitanian language is generally considered a precursor to Basque but it's not an extremely well-attested language. Basque is generally considered to be a Pre-Indo-European language (meaning that it existed in the area before the spread of Indo-European languages) but that's not really a linguistic family either.

Finnish and Hungarian do belong to the same language family. They are both members of the Uralic family. They even belong in the same subdivision of the Uralic family, Finno-Ugric (the other subdivision is Samoyedic). That's the level in which they split with Finnish belonging to the Finno-Permic branch and Hungarian belonging to the Ugric branch. Estonian is definitely a lot closer to Finnish than Hungarian is but Hungarian is still in that same family.

You could compare to your own native language, I think. South Slavic languages are definitely a lot closer to each other than they are to Western and Eastern Slavic languages but they're all part of the Slavic language family.

[Nuntius]

So far I've yet to see if perhaps NBA TV would show that Greece/Serbia match on Thursday. They're showing a documentary on the 89-92 Clyde the Glide Blazer teams. I'm sure both Greek and Serbian state TV stations will have streaming links.

Yep, Ertflix will definitely stream it.

[Nuntius]

Another uncommon, I think its uncommon thing about Lithuanian language, at least amongst latin languages, that you might have noticed if you follow female sports, is that male and female family names are different. It is similar to cyrilic languages just with bigger nuances.

Well, that's because Lithuanian is not a Latin language. It is a Baltic language and Baltic languages are related with Slavic languages (hence the Balto-Slavic branch of the Indo-European languages).

For example. take Jonas Valančiūnas. His last name is Valančiūnas, if he had a son, his family (last name) would also be Valančiūnas. But if he had a daughter, her last name would Valančiūnaitė, but his wife is Valančiūnienė. Not only that females will have different endings of their name, womans maiden name and married name is different. It comes in handy, cause you can always tell which woman is married already haha. If woman has a name that ends in -ienė, or sometimes just -ė, its her husbands name...

That is why to Lithuanian speakers, it always weird to see American-Lithuanian woman, who came from Lithuanian family with Lithuanian name, but because she is from English speaking country, where male and female names are the same, so she just has a male name. Like that fighter - Rose Namajunas. Her name is weird to lithuanian, because Namajunas is a male name, there can't be female Namajunas, it is just not how it works. If she was Lithuanian, I am not saying she is cause shes not, but if she was, her name would be Rose Namajunaitė.

As Pachinko_ said the same happens in Greek. Names use the same declension rules that nouns use so you have the same masculine and feminine suffixes that you use for nouns. We definitely do NOT have that distinction between married and unmarried, though. That does seem weird

[Nuntius]

This is terrible I always though Lithuanian and Greek names were kinda similar. I mean they are completely different, but has similaries, similar syllables, similar endings. Like Kostas is greek name but also a Lithuanian name. Papaloukas is not at all a Lithuanian name, but if you have a name that ends with as, you are on the right track. There were few instances in life where I saw a greek name and wondered, is that a greek, or a Lithuanian name. Kostas Tsimikas is very clearly a greek name, but if I suspended my disbelief, I could probably believe thats a Lithuanian man, it is close enough, there were far better exmaples, but I cant think of those now of the top of my head.

I was watching the sports news yesterday and they were talking about a football game between two teams. They were listing the scorers of the game and the surname of one of the scorers was Tzavidas. I had to do a double take before making sure whether he was Lithuanian or Greek.