Woj/Shams Bomb: Porzingis traded to Celtics Part Deux! Grizzlies involved, Marcus Smart to Grizz - Tyus Jones to Wiz

[Capn'O]

This trade happened before Holiday too so it wasn't quite clear what they were going to do at guard. Boston had a great summer.

I dont know why people ever thought Smart was a better player than Porzingis.

Porzingis has always been an all star or at worse fringe all star level player. The only problem was his health.

Somehow Porzingis has been relatively healthy this season but no matter what even if he wasnt you have to take the risk.

A player of Porzingis caliber is enough to give the Celtics the extra sauce needed to be a contender if healthy.

He's changed his play style a lot from his earlier days. He's gained strength without gaining a ton of weight and uses positioning more than leaping to close out and block shots. Before he was more of a flailer which made for some exciting plays but put his body at risk more frequently. His post movements have gotten a LOT more fluid as well. A lot less stress on his joints and a lot more power in his body = less injuries. Also "NBA training and recovery" methods probably help.

[KamikazeK]

Never understood how anyone could've hated this trade. In my humble opinion, you trade a guard who can't shoot for a big who can shoot every day of the week and twice on weekends. Especially when there's rim protection and passing involved as well, and that's not even mentioning his post play.

[Sixers in 4]

Wtf? You traded your heart and soul of the team for KP?!

This will go down as the worst trade in nba history

[ThumbsUpBaby]

Wtf? You traded your heart and soul of the team for KP?!

This will go down as the worst trade in nba history

Emotionally, it felt like it. But realistically? Not even close. Porzingis adds a new element to our offense and made it more flexible. We now have an option in the post and the mid-range because of preferable match-ups. So glad Stevens made a difficult decision based on logic than emotions.

[Godymas]

Tyus Jones last night vs. Golden State

17 assists 1 TOV

[ForeverTFC]

Never understood how anyone could've hated this trade. In my humble opinion, you trade a guard who can't shoot for a big who can shoot every day of the week and twice on weekends. Especially when there's rim protection and passing involved as well, and that's not even mentioning his post play.

My post about this is somewhere earlier in the thread, but I found the reaction both from Celtics fans and non-Celtics fans to be really weird:

Celtics fans spent years telling us how amazing Smart is and how he deserved DPOY as the heart of the Celtics and the moment the trade happens, go on and say "he can't shoot and his impact is overrated. This is a no-brainer". On the flip side, non-Celtics fans spent years talking about how overrated Smart was and how he was holding the Celtics back and as soon as he's traded they flip and start talking about "The Celtics lost their heart and soul".

As someone who always thought Marcus Smart was just one more overrated Celtic, this is not a surprise at all.

[Sixers in 4]

I was never a Smart fan, I also thought he would be impacted by the new rules on exaggerating contact.

I didn't think he was this bad but let us be honest if he wasn't going to be efficient with Tatum and Browns' gravity I don't know why people thought he was going to be able to play competent on offense without Ja.

He needs to play with stars to reign in his worst instincts and to get him open looks.

[hardenASG13]

Big mistake trading Smart imo.

Big, big mistake. Not just the player, but the team now has basically no real leader.

Wouldn't have done it.

They haven't missed his "leadership" at all. It was overblown to begin with, white is clearly a better player in every facet. Their off-season was ridiculously good.

[djsunyc]

this trade can only be evaluated in the playoffs.

[AussieCeltic]

Yeah this is an epic fail of a trade. Lost the soul of your team in Smart, keep the guard that was too injured to trade, for an equally injury prone Center, who is also known to be a team cancer. Celtics, it was nice knowing you.

Please share your updated opinions on the team cancer. Now that it's not the off-season and they are actually playing games

Another Eyeatoma classic.

[picc]

Big mistake trading Smart imo.

Big, big mistake. Not just the player, but the team now has basically no real leader.

Wouldn't have done it.

They haven't missed his "leadership" at all. It was overblown to begin with, white is clearly a better player in every facet. Their off-season was ridiculously good.

Yeah obviously I was dead wrong about that.

[eyeatoma]

Yeah this is an epic fail of a trade. Lost the soul of your team in Smart, keep the guard that was too injured to trade, for an equally injury prone Center, who is also known to be a team cancer. Celtics, it was nice knowing you.

Please share your updated opinions on the team cancer. Now that it's not the off-season and they are actually playing games

I love how ya'll act like I was the only one who thought this was a bad trade. Half the board thought that losing Smart would be a bad trade. Always fun to go back to what someone wrote, and say "you were saying" even though its the general consensus.

The Celtics look great now because they are healthy. They are also not in the playoffs which is when they had all their problems. The key will be whether Porzingis can remain healthy, Tatum can be consistent, Brown doesn't stop playing like an idiot, and Holiday plays well during the playoffs.

Those are a lot of things that need to go right. Oh, and win in spite of your coach.

We shall see during the playoffs. I dont' disagree that they are the favorites in the east right now, but they are also inconsistent the last 2-3 years in the playoffs, and have many of the same players, or players who have continued to fail in the playoffs.

[eyeatoma]

this trade can only be evaluated in the playoffs.

Exactly

[Bad-Thoma]

Never understood how anyone could've hated this trade. In my humble opinion, you trade a guard who can't shoot for a big who can shoot every day of the week and twice on weekends. Especially when there's rim protection and passing involved as well, and that's not even mentioning his post play.

My post about this is somewhere earlier in the thread, but I found the reaction both from Celtics fans and non-Celtics fans to be really weird:

Celtics fans spent years telling us how amazing Smart is and how he deserved DPOY as the heart of the Celtics and the moment the trade happens, go on and say "he can't shoot and his impact is overrated. This is a no-brainer". On the flip side, non-Celtics fans spent years talking about how overrated Smart was and how he was holding the Celtics back and as soon as he's traded they flip and start talking about "The Celtics lost their heart and soul".

As someone who always thought Marcus Smart was just one more overrated Celtic, this is not a surprise at all.

You do realize that "Celtics fans", much like any other fan base, encompasses a large group with a wide range of views, right? So at any point you could ask any question about a player on the team and get diametrically opposed views despite rooting for the same team. If you doubt this just read our board sometime, we don't agree on much.

I was a huge Marcus Smart fan and even I thought getting Porzingas was a good move. When we got Jrue it became a brilliant move.

[celtxman]

this trade can only be evaluated in the playoffs.

Exactly

Huh....earlier in the thread someone judged the trade already....as " an epic fail." He didn't want to wait for the playoffs because it was so obvious.

[Sweet Serenity]

Yeah this is an epic fail of a trade. Lost the soul of your team in Smart, keep the guard that was too injured to trade, for an equally injury prone Center, who is also known to be a team cancer. Celtics, it was nice knowing you.

Please share your updated opinions on the team cancer. Now that it's not the off-season and they are actually playing games

This is why you don’t let your emotions dictate the bold take you’re going to come up with before the season starts.

[Chuck Everett]

This is basically the Aaron Gordon trade all over again (a move that turns a contender into a favorite).

[dc]

He's changed his play style a lot from his earlier days. He's gained strength without gaining a ton of weight and uses positioning more than leaping to close out and block shots. Before he was more of a flailer which made for some exciting plays but put his body at risk more frequently. His post movements have gotten a LOT more fluid as well. A lot less stress on his joints and a lot more power in his body = less injuries. Also "NBA training and recovery" methods probably help.

Yeah, he's just a lot smarter and efficient with his movement on the court. Early on, he seemed more of an energy/athletic guy and it was definitely fun to watch but resulted in more injury.

It's too bad he didn't realize earlier on that he was 7'3" and didn't need to run and jump at everything he saw to make a play.

[bisme37]

I think my take from the summer turned out to be pretty good. From page 3 of the thread "The Celtics Will Be Taking A Step Back This Upcoming Season." viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2317956

This was before the Jrue trade but I thought moving Smart and bringing in KP were both good moves.

I will def miss Smarty and Grant. Love both those guys.

I'd agree Smart was the leader of the team but it's not like anyone ever assigned him that position. We haven't had a team captain for quite a while. It's just he had the loudest voice and was the one who called teammates/coaches out in the media and put himself front and center. For good and for bad.

So I'm looking forward to seeing a jump in leadership from Tatum. And Brown too. Those guys are hitting their prime and it's their team. And I think a change in voice/leadership will be beneficial. And Grampa Horford is still around to keep guys' heads on straight.

Then on the court, imo the biggest problem with the C's lately has been inconsistency. And Smart was a part of that as the starting point guard. There were times when we needed the team to settle down and make the right play at the end of games and Smart was the one freaking out the most and making questionable plays. He's a dude you really want on your team, but maybe not as the guy running he show. White and Brogdon are ready to step up and we have Pritchard who's been deserving of a bigger role too. And Banton was signed as well.

As far as Porzingis goes he checks a lot of boxes on both ends and I'm hoping for a terrific contribution from him. The good news is we don't need to run him into the ground in the RS. I imagine they'll keep the minutes low on all 3 of KP, Horford and Timemachine. And hopefully they and the team will be ready to get over the hump and win a title when the time comes.

[Sweet Serenity]

Yeah this is an epic fail of a trade. Lost the soul of your team in Smart, keep the guard that was too injured to trade, for an equally injury prone Center, who is also known to be a team cancer. Celtics, it was nice knowing you.

Please share your updated opinions on the team cancer. Now that it's not the off-season and they are actually playing games

I love how ya'll act like I was the only one who thought this was a bad trade. Half the board thought that losing Smart would be a bad trade. Always fun to go back to what someone wrote, and say "you were saying" even though its the general consensus.

The Celtics look great now because they are healthy. They are also not in the playoffs which is when they had all their problems. The key will be whether Porzingis can remain healthy, Tatum can be consistent, Brown doesn't stop playing like an idiot, and Holiday plays well during the playoffs.

Those are a lot of things that need to go right. Oh, and win in spite of your coach.

We shall see during the playoffs. I dont' disagree that they are the favorites in the east right now, but they are also inconsistent the last 2-3 years in the playoffs, and have many of the same players, or players who have continued to fail in the playoffs.

Yes let’s completely ignore what he’s done this season & just focus on how he performed in his first season as a coach in which he was thrown into a week before training camp ..