2024-25 NBA MVP Discussion Thread (Pt. 3: Son of daughter of MVP thread)

[MMyhre]

Jokic 3 rebounds and blown out by the Wolves, MVP race is over, Shai is the MVP.

I am kidding, just cosplaying the average Joker fanboy with the reactionary takes.

[Johnny Firpo]

Are we going to overreact to a single game after Jokic got destroyed by Gobert or do we only do that when he does well?

First of all, he did not get destroyed. Gobert had a 14/14 game, that's not that higher than his season average. Jokic had a 20 point game and shot 70% from the field, and had 11 assists. Did he have a good game by his own standards? No, he turned the ball over a lot. Still, was he destroyed? I don't think so. But let's say you are right, and he was destroyed. Which happens more frequently? Him getting destroyed, or him having a great game? If he has 20 times as many great games than games where he is "destroyed", do you think we have to bring up the 20-times less frequent event the same way? Isn't it natural, or even logical that you focus on the frequent event more, and accept as the reality... Since, you know, it is?

[Johnny Firpo]

Jokic 3 rebounds and blown out by the Wolves, MVP race is over, Shai is the MVP.

I am kidding, just cosplaying the average Joker fanboy with the reactionary takes.

Same question goes to you, if he has 20 times as much great/legendary games as bad ones, do you really think this is the same thing? How can both be called overreaction, if one occasion happens 20x more frequently, than the other one?

[MMyhre]

Jokic 3 rebounds and blown out by the Wolves, MVP race is over, Shai is the MVP.

I am kidding, just cosplaying the average Joker fanboy with the reactionary takes.

Same question goes to you, if he has 20 times as much great/legendary games as bad ones, do you really think this is the same thing? How can both be called overreaction, if one occasion happens 20x more frequently, than the other one?

And Shai has not had great games? Come on.

[Johnny Firpo]

Are we going to overreact to a single game after Jokic got destroyed by Gobert or do we only do that when he does well?

Dude Jokic has done well over 95 percent of his games. Jokic has maybe 2 or 3 bad games all year. Hilarious.

That's the point. People were acting like the MVP race is changing based off single games the other day when he had 35/25/12 or whatever. You can't be making these wild swings game by game.

You are saying "that's the point" while totally ignoring his argument. His point, once again, if he has 2 or 3 bad games a year, and many times as many great games, than by definition and logic, bad games do not count/matter as much as the great games. Not in the MVP race, nor in our discussion here. And obviously the same goes for Shai, since he is pretty consistent as well. So basically you are not calling out a double standard here, there is no double standard. When one event happens way less frequently, it cannot, and should not be held to the same standard as the normal outcome.

[Johnny Firpo]

Jokic 3 rebounds and blown out by the Wolves, MVP race is over, Shai is the MVP.

I am kidding, just cosplaying the average Joker fanboy with the reactionary takes.

Same question goes to you, if he has 20 times as much great/legendary games as bad ones, do you really think this is the same thing? How can both be called overreaction, if one occasion happens 20x more frequently, than the other one?

And Shai has not had great games? Come on.

What are you even talking about? Obviously the same goes for SGA. When was he "crucified" here after a bad game? I read this forum every day, it did not happen.

[MMyhre]

Same question goes to you, if he has 20 times as much great/legendary games as bad ones, do you really think this is the same thing? How can both be called overreaction, if one occasion happens 20x more frequently, than the other one?

And Shai has not had great games? Come on.

What are you even talking about? Obviously the same goes for SGA. When was he "crucified" here after a bad game? I read this forum every day, it did not happen.

Jokic is constantly crowned by his statloving fans. Thats what im talking about, now stop being annoying.

[Johnny Firpo]

And Shai has not had great games? Come on.

What are you even talking about? Obviously the same goes for SGA. When was he "crucified" here after a bad game? I read this forum every day, it did not happen.

Jokic is constantly crowned by his statloving fans. Thats what im talking about, now stop being annoying.

The majority of people think Jokic is the better player, that's all. "StOp mAkInG sEnSe".

[Eightnineborn]

Jokic and frankly its not close.

[MMyhre]

What are you even talking about? Obviously the same goes for SGA. When was he "crucified" here after a bad game? I read this forum every day, it did not happen.

Jokic is constantly crowned by his statloving fans. Thats what im talking about, now stop being annoying.

The majority of people think Jokic is the better player, that's all. "StOp mAkInG sEnSe".

Doesn`t mean you have to scream loud for every good performance, cringeboy09.

[Johnny Firpo]

Jokic is constantly crowned by his statloving fans. Thats what im talking about, now stop being annoying.

The majority of people think Jokic is the better player, that's all. "StOp mAkInG sEnSe".

Doesn`t mean you have to scream loud for every good performance, cringeboy09.

I have bad news for you, I did not. Feel free to scroll back, I did not post anything here after his Kings performance. Mostly because I felt Joker had at least 8-10 similar games in his career already, minimum.

[bstein14]

I think its likely that SGA does end up winning MVP, but I also feel like the Thunder are a good team without SGA (a playoff team in the West) and I feel like Nuggets are below the Spurs in the West for sure if Jokic is out for a season they are one of the 2 or 3 worst teams in that conference. Also, Jokic is having the best statistical season of any player over at least the last 30 seasons this year

Here's a look at all the 24+ / 7+ / 7+ seasons with at least a 64% TS% all-time.

[Exp0sed]

tough game for the Nuggets, the Wolves matchup very well with the Nuggets, they're better off facing off a different Western team in the playoffs. Jokic was actually not utilized enough in that game imo, he was smoking hot in the first quarter and then Murray started ignoring him on O, pretty weird. The Nuggets beat rhe 10-1 streaking Kings and probably got alot of attention after that monster Jokic game and shot-put 66 footer and they got a wake up call by their nemesis on a tough road game

I think the Wolves are too big for the WB lineup to work, against these matchups AG needs to be back in the lineup. the Wolves got anything they want in the paint, Randle post ups on WB\Braun etc. were pretty brutal

MPJ was downright dreadful on both ends but defensively he he really hurt the Nuggets last night imo, but they played awful, lackluster defense as collective, they all sucked on that end

they were throughly outplayed and that happens..especially on the road vs. a very good team
Jokic had a good game, don't kid urselves but obviously far from his best and imo he should have tried taking more on himself when he saw everyone else is looking like a dear in the headlights

[Packbuckman]

Everyone is still only looking at offense it’s Jokic Defense that was terrible this game not just the rebounding the wolves were scoring at will inside. Jokic is an amazing offensive player but this game is played on both sides of the ball and in an era where the 3 wasn’t used like today he would struggle even more they would attack him unmercifully especially a player like MJ

[MoneyTalks41890]

I think its likely that SGA does end up winning MVP, but I also feel like the Thunder are a good team without SGA (a playoff team in the West) and I feel like Nuggets are below the Spurs in the West for sure if Jokic is out for a season they are one of the 2 or 3 worst teams in that conference. Also, Jokic is having the best statistical season of any player over at least the last 30 seasons this year

Here's a look at all the 24+ / 7+ / 7+ seasons with at least a 64% TS% all-time.

I think you and others are overestimating what a team without SGA and Chet could do. I do not think they would make the playoffs. It would be the worst offense in the league.

Cason Wallace
Alex Caruso
Lu Dort
Jalen Williams
Isaiah Hartenstein

That team might score 80. The other team is only scoring 90, but thats still enough.

I’m not comparing this to the Nuggets cast. Just taking issue with the idea that the resulting OKC team is a playoff team.

[Exp0sed]

I think its likely that SGA does end up winning MVP, but I also feel like the Thunder are a good team without SGA (a playoff team in the West) and I feel like Nuggets are below the Spurs in the West for sure if Jokic is out for a season they are one of the 2 or 3 worst teams in that conference. Also, Jokic is having the best statistical season of any player over at least the last 30 seasons this year

Here's a look at all the 24+ / 7+ / 7+ seasons with at least a 64% TS% all-time.

I think you and others are overestimating what a team without SGA and Chet could do. I do not think they would make the playoffs. It would be the worst offense in the league.

Cason Wallace
Alex Caruso
Lu Dort
Jalen Williams
Isaiah Hartenstein

That team might score 80. The other team is only scoring 90, but thats still enough.

I’m not comparing this to the Nuggets cast. Just taking issue with the idea that the resulting OKC team is a playoff team.

In this hypithetical, they wouldn't start Dort and Caruso, they'd start Isiah Joe

They won't be the worst offense in the leauge and not even close. Denver on the other hand has been the worst offense in the leauge without Jokic

Thunder are probably a 40 to 41 wins team without SGA. Around 0.500 and they'd have a top 3 defense (at worst, might still be the best) even without him

Jokic's defense wasn't the issue vs. the Wolves, they were terrible collectively and the to's are what killed them



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[MoneyTalks41890]

I think its likely that SGA does end up winning MVP, but I also feel like the Thunder are a good team without SGA (a playoff team in the West) and I feel like Nuggets are below the Spurs in the West for sure if Jokic is out for a season they are one of the 2 or 3 worst teams in that conference. Also, Jokic is having the best statistical season of any player over at least the last 30 seasons this year

Here's a look at all the 24+ / 7+ / 7+ seasons with at least a 64% TS% all-time.

I think you and others are overestimating what a team without SGA and Chet could do. I do not think they would make the playoffs. It would be the worst offense in the league.

Cason Wallace
Alex Caruso
Lu Dort
Jalen Williams
Isaiah Hartenstein

That team might score 80. The other team is only scoring 90, but thats still enough.

I’m not comparing this to the Nuggets cast. Just taking issue with the idea that the resulting OKC team is a playoff team.

In this hypithetical, they wouldn't start Dort and Caruso, they'd start Isiah Joe

They won't be the worst offense in the leauge and not even close. Denver on the other hand has been the worst offense in the leauge without Jokic

Thunder are probably a 40 to 41 wins team without SGA. Around 0.500 and they'd have a top 3 defense (at worst, might still be the best) even without him

Jokic's defense wasn't the issue vs. the Wolves, they were terrible collectively and the to's are what killed them



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Probably. But Joe can’t really create his own offense either. He can shoot, but this would be Jalen Williams and no one else creating.

Between MPJr and Murray I don’t think that offense is worse. If Chet was playing of course OKC offense is better but he hasn’t been playing.

I didn’t comment on Jokic’s defense, and I didn’t watch that game, so I shouldn’t comment on how much it mattered.

That being said, I’ve seen some ‘ole defense clips from the game where Jokic gets put in the pick and roll and gets killed. He was -24 yesterday, and lineups without him were only -1. It wasn’t a good game.

[Special_Puppy]

It’s honestly funny how ~80% of the posters in post-game threads on Reddit after a Jokic stinker are Bucks+Thunder+Mavericks fans

[Special_Puppy]

That game yesterday was by far Jokic’s worst game this season lol

[RRR3]

Thunder fans are gonna keep harping on bad games for Jokic if people keep insisting Jokic has been "much better" than SGA this year when nothing supports that. IDK why SGA is so underrated, we're witnessing one of the best guard seasons ever.