Kings trade Fox to Spurs, get LaVine

[Grits n Gravy]

This is a home run hit into low earth orbit for the Spurs, congrats spurs fans.

[Effigy]

The Spurs:
-Didn't trade the Kings pick swap in 2031
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This one is inexcusable

[Optimus_Steel]

The Charlotte 1st is protected top 14, next year it turns into 2 2nds, so really they got a 2027 1st SA, 2031 1st MN, and 5 2nd round picks

If thats true the Kings are pathetic.

It is true. SA fleeced everyone, Bulls got ok package considering they couldnt give away LaVine last year and he has a terrible contract

How do you take on a bad contract and not take in better picks or young players? Kings front-office are essentially amateur interns.

[sackings916]

Hearing you are getting LaVine John Collins 2 picks... Don't know who we are giving up but it's not 2025 picks

Spurs kept their 25s?! They cooked! lol Congrats...

SAS is gonna be in the top 4-5 in the West convo starting next year.

My bad about Collins. Was hearing info from an X Space real time, then RealGM crashed lol and I couldn't edit it. There may be a secondary deal yet for John Collins, I don't know.

But we knew most recently of wither two win now players or one with more picks. So in the end the latter was chosen by SAC.

You could still be right about Collins and it still may be 2 win now players. Sounds like the Kings are trying to flip some of the draft capital they got in this deal.

[JustBuzzin]

What are the Kings doing?

They tryna create Bulls West. We already saw Lavine/DeRozan with a center who doesn't play defense. This has fail written all over it for Sacramento.

Spurs get Fox for basically nothing. Another head scratcher the NBA helping set up Wemby for success.

These trades need to be investigated something not right with these GMs. Something fishy going on behind the scenes.

[badpotato]

Yeah, It's the weirdest part of the trade to me really. We didn't even return 2031 swap rights back to Kings in this trade.

Did Kings just forgot? Did they ask an our GM was like "don't push it"?
It was perfect moment to get it back, working on a deal with team that owns the rights and all...I can't imagine Spurs killing the deal over it too.

[Optimus_Steel]

The Spurs:
-Didn't trade the Kings pick swap in 2031
-

This one is inexcusable

Kings front office probably just found out there is a swap from the internet lol

[mako]

Great deal for the kings because they got 3 first round picks, which is way more than what mavs got for doncic and doncic is the way better player.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Spurs completely robbed the Kings, not anywhere near as bad as what the Lakers did to the Mavs, but still a thorough fleecing. The Kings couldn't even get Vassell, Sochan or one of the Hawks picks for a all-star caliber guard, just crazy.

[The Master]

Great deal for the kings because they got 3 first round picks, which is way more than what mavs got for doncic and doncic the way better player.

Hornets pick is 1-14 protected, they will get 2nd rounder only - so they got two 1st rounders. Still more than Mavs tho, that's funny, yes.

But it's still pretty bad outcome for Kings: LaVine-DeRozan duo once again, no starting-level point guard on the roster right now, so much one-dimensional roster, they're cooked. Maybe Wolves' pick will be decent in 5-6 years, but in 2031: Sabonis will be 35, LaVine will be 36 and they didn't even get back their swap given to Spurs, so it works both ways, I have no idea how they weren't able to negotiate that at least.

People were surprised Bulls didn't get anything for LaVine, but with his contract he had no value, so them getting back their protected 1st and some role players (Huerter, Jones) is actually fine.

[Bologna Smasher]

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if DeRozan is also moved this week. I don't understand how a GM can look at the LaVine/DeRozan experiment in Chicago and say to themselves "Hey, let's try to replicate that success they had for 40 games three years ago!". Next thing they're going to do is trade for Lonzo.

The return honestly doesn't surprise me too much. I think Fox's perceived value was a little inflated. It's even worse when everyone knows he's planning on signing in San Antonio in two years. His value wasn't really even all that high around the time they traded Haliburton.

[zero rings]

What are the Kings doing?

They tryna create Bulls West. We already saw Lavine/DeRozan with a center who doesn't play defense. This has fail written all over it for Sacramento.

Spurs get Fox for basically nothing. Another head scratcher the NBA helping set up Wemby for success.

These trades need to be investigated something not right with these GMs. Something fishy going on behind the scenes.

They're probably about as good with Lavine as they were with Fox, and they came away with three first round picks. That's a pretty good return considering Fox was on his way out.

[mako]

Great deal for the kings because they got 3 first round picks, which is way more than what mavs got for doncic and doncic the way better player.

Hornets pick is 1-14 protected, they will get 2nd rounder only - so they got two 1st rounders. Still more than Mavs tho, that's funny, yes.

But it's still pretty bad outcome for Kings: LaVine-DeRozan duo once again, no starting-level point guard on the roster right now, so much one-dimensional roster, they're cooked. Maybe Wolves' pick will be decent in 5-6 years, but in 2031: Sabonis will be 35, LaVine will be 36 and they didn't even get back their swap given to Spurs, so it works both ways, I have no idea how they weren't able to negotiate that at least.

People were surprised Bulls didn't get anything for LaVine, but with his contract he had no value, so them getting back their protected 1st and some role players (Huerter, Jones) is actually fine.

Am I missing something? How will one of the 1st round picks become a 2nd rounder? Reported by shams 3 first round picks and 3 second round picks. That seems to be the going rate for a star player like Fox now a days. Considering the Kings didn't have much leverage that's not a bad haul.

[Optimus_Steel]

Spurs completely robbed the Kings, not anywhere near as bad as what the Lakers did to the Mavs, but still a thorough fleecing. The Kings couldn't even get Vassell, Sochan or one of the Hawks picks for a all-star caliber guard, just crazy.

Not only that but the Kings took on a bad contract and were not compensated for it. Just a horrible move. Sorry Kings fans that has to be hard to take.

[badpotato]

Am I missing something? How will one of the 1st round picks become a 2nd rounder? Reported by shams 3 first round picks and 3 second round picks. That seems to be the going rate for a star player like Fox now a days. Considering the Kings didn't have much leverage that's not a bad haul.

Charlotte '25 is lottery prottected, if not conveyed (and at this point we know Hornets are keeping it) it turns into 26' and 27' 2nd rounders. I guess Kings FO went for "looks good on paper, fans will like it" route with this one.

[The Master]

Am I missing something? How will one of the 1st round picks become a 2nd rounder? Reported by shams 3 first round picks and 3 2 second round picks. Considering the Kings didn't have much leverage that's not a bad haul.

Hornets' 1st round pick is this year 1-14 protected and if not converted, Hornets will trade their 2nd rounders instead. That's de facto early 2nd rounder next year for Kings and in 2027 maybe.

And yeah, it's bad outcome rather than bad trade for Kings: but still, they have no rotational point guard on their roster, their bench was pretty bad and they traded Huerter as well, with Monk, DeRozan and LaVine (and Sabonis) - their roster is even more unbalanced than earlier, they didn't get any young player. Plenty of work to do to even stay at the previous level.

[G R E Y]

And so that #8 pick which Minny used to draft Dilly in exchange for an unprotected 2031 Wolves picks was used to get Fox. Good, yeah?

[The Master]

And so that #8 pick which Minny used to draft Dilly in exchange for an unprotected 2031 Wolves picks was used to get Fox. Good, yeah?

It's even better, Spurs still hold 2030 Wolves' swap, so the pick they traded is basically ~75% of Dillingham. But it was pretty great trade from the beginning for Spurs, 8th pick in 2024 had value of late lottery pick in every other draft at best, and long-term future picks have bigger value mostly than random selected players, I have no idea why it was criticized at that time, I guess people are just so impatient.

[KG Leonard]

And so that #8 pick which Minny used to draft Dilly in exchange for an unprotected 2031 Wolves picks was used to get Fox. Good, yeah?

Very good since another tiny guard who scores but can't defend is the most generic, common player in the NBA. That's why he can't play for a decent Wolves. It will become a great trade for 8 pick since most lottery picks don't become stars/if Dillingham isn't the new Tyrese Maxey in two years...

[JXL]

Great deal for the kings because they got 3 first round picks, which is way more than what mavs got for doncic and doncic is the way better player.

Except those picks are not good. I guarantee that Lakers 2029 1st is more valuable.