Henry Abbot: Lakers FO can't wait for Kobe to retire

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Re: Henry Abbot: Lakers FO can't wait for Kobe to retire 

Post#521 » by kingkirk » Wed Oct 22, 2014 11:47 pm

madmaxmedia wrote:Ouch to the bolded part, because it's true. At one point I was hoping for 40. But what I think I really meant was that I think they can play like a 40-win team maybe half the time, and thus win about half those games. The other half, they will have plenty of off nights where Kobe is off, or defense intensity is flagging, players are hurt, etc.


Kobe is going to have nights where he looks unstoppable. His usage, post game and shooting ability alone will probably see him average over 20 a game, probably the only SG in the league outside of Harden and maybe Derozan who does it this season.

Kobe will win you games. But, there will be nights when he looks great and is firing offensively, but the defensive will be so bad that any bucket he gets you guys, it will be given straight back up by the team’s defense.

I am not sure if Laker fans realise how bad Boozer is on that end. The only positive about Boozer in LA is that you’re not paying his total earnings for the year.

Of course, Kobe will also have some poor games as well, which is natural given what he is coming back from and his age.

I see Kobe averaging 23, 5 & 5 on .540 TS%.

They’re very good numbers for a guy coming back from what he has and at his age.

I just can’t get over how bad the rest of your roster is, though. That front court is hideous. I have no faith in Nick Young being comfortable with a lesser role. I think Lin will be a good addition, but he needs the ball in his hands to be most effective. Those opportunities will be limited if Bryant is on the floor with him at the same time.

Tank it in, save yourselves the embarrassment of losing a pick in the 6-10 range and grab another high quality kid in the top 5 range to add to Randle and the pending cap space in the future.

If LA let pride get in the way and try to get a few more Ws, and ultimately end up somewhere in the 32-35 range, that’s going to hurt you long term.
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Re: Henry Abbot: Lakers FO can't wait for Kobe to retire 

Post#522 » by TheDoors24 » Thu Oct 23, 2014 12:55 am

Rob Diaz wrote:It's kind of widely known that most "new media"(advanced stats advocates, younger people that write about basketball, etc) members are not fans of Kobe, while the "old media"(people that use terms like killer instinct and will to win, along with counting rings, like Wilbon/Kornheiser/Bob Ryan, for example) loves Kobe. So, while Abbott's article was certainly biased towards his own preferences, I don't think this is anything new.

It's strange that ESPN has chosen to run it in the spotlight, though, maybe they're trying to generate Laker interest as much as they can prior to the season, since they will most likely be a bottom-2 team in the West and not worthy of discussion. I don't know, tbh.


It seems to be working, though. A lot discussion, along with a 26-page thread on RealGM about a player who is currently average on the court, at best.

Did you just say kobe is average at best? Have you seen the preseason? Is he the old kobe? No but far better than average. Lol.
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Re: Henry Abbot: Lakers FO can't wait for Kobe to retire 

Post#523 » by Bourne85 » Thu Oct 23, 2014 2:58 am

Average is a good word for Kobe this year actually. And lol at the "have u seen him in preseason" comment.
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Re: Henry Abbot: Lakers FO can't wait for Kobe to retire 

Post#524 » by John Long » Thu Oct 23, 2014 3:16 am

Bourne85 wrote:Average is a good word for Kobe this year actually. And lol at the "have u seen him in preseason" comment.


I think so too, while a better word to use to describe Dwayne Wade is "slightly-below-average" because Kobe will have a better season than him and will most likely play more games despite being older.
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Re: Henry Abbot: Lakers FO can't wait for Kobe to retire 

Post#525 » by Yoshun » Thu Oct 23, 2014 3:19 am

Come on guys, average? Seriously? Kevin Martin is average, Waiters is average, Omer Asik is average, etc....
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Re: Henry Abbot: Lakers FO can't wait for Kobe to retire 

Post#526 » by carlquincy » Thu Oct 23, 2014 5:15 am

Slava wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/MarkHeisler/status/524959375811559425[/tweet]
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Seriously, why bother?

People will only see what they want to, and this Abbot article gave them all the "proof" they needed to chastise Kobe, no matter how factual it is. What matters is that it is a headlining article published by reputable source, ESPN.

You can bet people will be quoting this article for years to come, just like Phil's 2004 book.
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Re: Henry Abbot: Lakers FO can't wait for Kobe to retire 

Post#527 » by Rob Diaz » Thu Oct 23, 2014 5:23 am

TheDoors24 wrote:
Rob Diaz wrote:It's kind of widely known that most "new media"(advanced stats advocates, younger people that write about basketball, etc) members are not fans of Kobe, while the "old media"(people that use terms like killer instinct and will to win, along with counting rings, like Wilbon/Kornheiser/Bob Ryan, for example) loves Kobe. So, while Abbott's article was certainly biased towards his own preferences, I don't think this is anything new.

It's strange that ESPN has chosen to run it in the spotlight, though, maybe they're trying to generate Laker interest as much as they can prior to the season, since they will most likely be a bottom-2 team in the West and not worthy of discussion. I don't know, tbh.


It seems to be working, though. A lot discussion, along with a 26-page thread on RealGM about a player who is currently average on the court, at best.

Did you just say kobe is average at best? Have you seen the preseason? Is he the old kobe? No but far better than average. Lol.


Haven't watched a preseason game in years. Years and years ago, I learned that preseason basketball literally means nothing, and has little value in predicting the future.

I think average is probably a stretch on my part. Above average is probably more fair.

- Streaky scorer on poor efficiency(Kobe isn't inefficient for his career, contrary to what some people believe, but I think he will be highly inefficient at this point)

- Good passer/facilitator

- Poor defender

- Questionable durability

I think above average is a fair description.
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Re: Henry Abbot: Lakers FO can't wait for Kobe to retire 

Post#528 » by Greenie » Thu Oct 23, 2014 5:36 am

Rockmaninoff wrote:Kobe for Amare works. Who says no?

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Re: Henry Abbot: Lakers FO can't wait for Kobe to retire 

Post#529 » by NYKAL » Thu Oct 23, 2014 11:00 am

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and he still wouldn't make it to the finals. So we are talking about him signing for a short playoff run while the Knicks will be playing for a high draft pick and will have boatloads of money to spend next season. I'd go with New York if those are the choices.


Why couldn't a pairing of Melo and Kobe make it to the finals? Kobe and Gasol won two titles, and Melo is better than Gasol.

Spurs are a year older, OKC has question marks with Durant's injury, the Clippers are and will always be the Clippers. Golden State has new coach who has never coached a game.

Byron Scott has been to the finals twice. He also turned a lottery team in New Orleans to a 2 seed in the West. None of those teams had a a player close to the caliber of player as Kobe Bryant.

Carmelo showed his true colors, he is all about the money, and winning is not a priority for him.


Judging by the rest of the pieces the Lakers have. Even with Melo, I don't see them getting to the playoffs in the West. Who's going to defend 2's and 3's since Kobe may not have that type of lateral quickness anymore and Melo isn't known for it. Who's going to man the paint...Boozer....nah, that roster even with Melo wouldn't be successful.
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Re: Henry Abbot: Lakers FO can't wait for Kobe to retire 

Post#530 » by John Long » Thu Oct 23, 2014 1:45 pm

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and he still wouldn't make it to the finals. So we are talking about him signing for a short playoff run while the Knicks will be playing for a high draft pick and will have boatloads of money to spend next season. I'd go with New York if those are the choices.


Why couldn't a pairing of Melo and Kobe make it to the finals? Kobe and Gasol won two titles, and Melo is better than Gasol.

Spurs are a year older, OKC has question marks with Durant's injury, the Clippers are and will always be the Clippers. Golden State has new coach who has never coached a game.

Byron Scott has been to the finals twice. He also turned a lottery team in New Orleans to a 2 seed in the West. None of those teams had a a player close to the caliber of player as Kobe Bryant.

Carmelo showed his true colors, he is all about the money, and winning is not a priority for him.


Judging by the rest of the pieces the Lakers have. Even with Melo, I don't see them getting to the playoffs in the West. Who's going to defend 2's and 3's since Kobe may not have that type of lateral quickness anymore and Melo isn't known for it. Who's going to man the paint...Boozer....nah, that roster even with Melo wouldn't be successful.


Ok c'mon now lets not go overboard here, with Kobe and Melo, on the Knicks or the Lakers, either team will make the playoffs.
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Re: Henry Abbot: Lakers FO can't wait for Kobe to retire 

Post#531 » by NYKAL » Thu Oct 23, 2014 2:02 pm

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Why couldn't a pairing of Melo and Kobe make it to the finals? Kobe and Gasol won two titles, and Melo is better than Gasol.

Spurs are a year older, OKC has question marks with Durant's injury, the Clippers are and will always be the Clippers. Golden State has new coach who has never coached a game.

Byron Scott has been to the finals twice. He also turned a lottery team in New Orleans to a 2 seed in the West. None of those teams had a a player close to the caliber of player as Kobe Bryant.

Carmelo showed his true colors, he is all about the money, and winning is not a priority for him.


Judging by the rest of the pieces the Lakers have. Even with Melo, I don't see them getting to the playoffs in the West. Who's going to defend 2's and 3's since Kobe may not have that type of lateral quickness anymore and Melo isn't known for it. Who's going to man the paint...Boozer....nah, that roster even with Melo wouldn't be successful.


Ok c'mon now lets not go overboard here, with Kobe and Melo, on the Knicks or the Lakers, either team will make the playoffs.


Allow me to respectfully disagree. I don't think they would make it over Houston, Phoenix, Denver, San Antonio, Clippers, Golden State, Oklahoma, or Dallas. Do you think adding Melo to the Lakers would make them better than one of them?
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Re: Henry Abbot: Lakers FO can't wait for Kobe to retire 

Post#532 » by Ben-N1ce » Thu Oct 23, 2014 2:17 pm

We can revisit Kobe and Melo when he is a Knick next year.
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Re: Henry Abbot: Lakers FO can't wait for Kobe to retire 

Post#533 » by John Long » Thu Oct 23, 2014 2:28 pm

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Judging by the rest of the pieces the Lakers have. Even with Melo, I don't see them getting to the playoffs in the West. Who's going to defend 2's and 3's since Kobe may not have that type of lateral quickness anymore and Melo isn't known for it. Who's going to man the paint...Boozer....nah, that roster even with Melo wouldn't be successful.


Ok c'mon now lets not go overboard here, with Kobe and Melo, on the Knicks or the Lakers, either team will make the playoffs.


Allow me to respectfully disagree. I don't think they would make it over Houston, Phoenix, Denver, San Antonio, Clippers, Golden State, Oklahoma, or Dallas. Do you think adding Melo to the Lakers would make them better than one of them?


I don't really like getting into hypothetical arguments but Yes I believe they would be better than a few of those teams you mentioned besides the obvious ones like San Antonio, OKC - with a healthy Durant, the Clippers and probably the Warriors.
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Re: Henry Abbot: Lakers FO can't wait for Kobe to retire 

Post#534 » by TheDoors24 » Thu Oct 23, 2014 2:31 pm

Bourne85 wrote:Average is a good word for Kobe this year actually. And lol at the "have u seen him in preseason" comment.


Well if Kobe is average based on what we've seen so far then Wade is trash based on his last final experience. Going off that logic.

If you want to make the argument that he isn't elite or even great anymore then thats fine. But even a 36 year old Kobe is well above average due to his skill set, passing and knowledge.

That jump and fadeaway alone makes him a threat.
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Re: Henry Abbot: Lakers FO can't wait for Kobe to retire 

Post#535 » by Narjee » Thu Oct 23, 2014 5:58 pm

They just need to slip another one of those hardworking blonde students into his room again and accelerate the rebuild. Silver gonna be real mad then.

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Post#536 » by theforumblue » Thu Oct 23, 2014 9:48 pm

not the most professional thing to say. i love her anyway for saying it.
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Re: Henry Abbot: Lakers FO can't wait for Kobe to retire 

Post#537 » by Slava » Thu Oct 23, 2014 9:56 pm

I kind of wish she'd shut up and be more dignified. This franchise renders itself to the drama other try to create.
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Re: Henry Abbot: Lakers FO can't wait for Kobe to retire 

Post#538 » by theforumblue » Thu Oct 23, 2014 10:01 pm

Slava wrote:I kind of wish she'd shut up and be more dignified. This franchise renders itself to the drama other try to create.


yeah she's a bit cringe-worthy at times. i consider it part of her charm.
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Re: Henry Abbot: Lakers FO can't wait for Kobe to retire 

Post#539 » by LLcoleJ » Thu Oct 23, 2014 10:02 pm

Jeanie also talked about the article in a different interview and I thought she was spot on.
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Re: Henry Abbot: Lakers FO can't wait for Kobe to retire 

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