KD to GS - Pt III

[bondom34]

Draymond is very important to GS. They will have to make adjustments to losing 4-5 guys while adding a player of Durant's caliber. That in no way shape or form means Durant will be the 3rd/4th option and Dray is not a better player than Durant. He has a different role and his role will change along with the rest of Warriors squad.


Believe what exactly? I am not sure where are going with that.

I'm saying many, not just me, have made this statement. Not a spur of the moment thing, like said it months ago. So saying "you need time" is belittling and trying to sound snarky for no reason.

Nobody in their right mind would take green over KD..Would you?

I don't know, right now isn't the time, but he's got a case. Green isn't far behind if at all. I had KD at 5th last year, Green 6-10 range.

Edit:

If you'd care to, here's the PC board Player of the year voting thread. I'm seeing at least 4 voters so far with Green ahead.

viewtopic.php?f=64&t=1459214#start_here

Durant is on everybody's list, Green is not.
You dont even have green on your own list.
I dunno how you can try to convince anyone green is a better player and not be willing to say you would definitively take him over KD, and especially when he wasnt in your top 5 for POY voting

Green is better than KD in certain aspects of the game..if he wasnt he would not be an all star because his scoring ability is def not all star worthy.

Durant is not on everyone's list.

And I think in GSW, he'll see a decreased role. I think the new guy in a new situation won't be as integral as those already there. I think he ends up 3rd wheel.

[HotRocks34]

Yes, Royce Young went nuts. He made like 10 tweets in a span of 1 hour, all with something like this. Though referring pieces from other people, he stance is as clear as it gets.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/royceyoung/status/750752654746263552[/tweet]

Thanks Ken. I don't follow his twitter.

My guess is that Young is pandering to the distraught OKC fan base here with his thoughts.

Hopefully he can keep it to more objective and factual stuff (Durant texted a reporter to ask him a Skip Bayless question) as compared with just less objective stuff (Durant sucks; Durant would have been a god had he stayed).

[oaktownwarriors87]

I'm saying many, not just me, have made this statement. Not a spur of the moment thing, like said it months ago. So saying "you need time" is belittling and trying to sound snarky for no reason.


I don't know, right now isn't the time, but he's got a case. Green isn't far behind if at all. I had KD at 5th last year, Green 6-10 range.

Edit:

If you'd care to, here's the PC board Player of the year voting thread. I'm seeing at least 4 voters so far with Green ahead.

viewtopic.php?f=64&t=1459214#start_here

Durant is on everybody's list, Green is not.
You dont even have green on your own list.
I dunno how you can try to convince anyone green is a better player and not be willing to say you would definitively take him over KD, and especially when he wasnt in your top 5 for POY voting

Green is better than KD in certain aspects of the game..if he wasnt he would not be an all star because his scoring ability is def not all star worthy.

Durant is not on everyone's list.

And I think in GSW, he'll see a decreased role. I think the new guy in a new situation won't be as integral as those already there. I think he ends up 3rd wheel.

Durant ends up 3rd wheel? No way. He was able to shine on the most selfish team in the NBA. There's no doubt he'll look better than he ever has with this squad.

I'm betting that he'll be the Warriors leading scorer.

[LLcoleJ]

I'm saying many, not just me, have made this statement. Not a spur of the moment thing, like said it months ago. So saying "you need time" is belittling and trying to sound snarky for no reason.

belitting and snarky? man ... nah whatever. lol

That's how it read to me, yeah, belittling and snarky. Kind of like a written pat on the head.

So you believe that he is saying is 100% emotion free and he is being sensible and rational to suggest KD would be lucky to be the 3rd option on this Warrior team?

[HotRocks34]

I know that's a rhetorical question

It's actually not meant to be a rhetorical question. I probably could have phrased it and my remarks better, though. Because when I read them back I can see how it just appears as though I'm referencing Warriors fans.

[bondom34]

Durant is on everybody's list, Green is not.
You dont even have green on your own list.
I dunno how you can try to convince anyone green is a better player and not be willing to say you would definitively take him over KD, and especially when he wasnt in your top 5 for POY voting

Green is better than KD in certain aspects of the game..if he wasnt he would not be an all star because his scoring ability is def not all star worthy.

Durant is not on everyone's list.

And I think in GSW, he'll see a decreased role. I think the new guy in a new situation won't be as integral as those already there. I think he ends up 3rd wheel.

Durant ends up 3rd wheel? No way. He was able to shine on the most selfish team in the NBA. There's no doubt he'll look better than he ever has with this squad.

So he will be more important than Curry or Green overall? OK. Noted, but he's not the playmaker or defender Green is at all, and that's from a totally objective POV. And he's just not as good as Curry.

[LLcoleJ]

I think offensively that's a possibility, I also think Green may be that guy. That's who he was in the past and he's had a bigger impact to some than Curry did.

What I took offense to was the claim that I was suddenly making this up spur of the moment because he left my team, when multiple people, not myself, have said this for months. That was just trying to poke at me and isn't appreciated.

Good for you, but HotRocks saw the same as I did.

Hey don't be snarky

[bondom34]

Also, if you don't think he's a big big part of the lack of passing, wait til you see him play.

[HotRocks34]

belitting and snarky? man ... nah whatever. lol

That's how it read to me, yeah, belittling and snarky. Kind of like a written pat on the head.

So you believe that he is saying is 100% emotion free and he is being sensible and rational to suggest KD would be lucky to be the 3rd option on this Warrior team?

That isn't the question. The question is did your remark sound belittling and snarky. It did, at least to me.

Both things can be true. Bondom can be speaking from emotion, and your remark can be belittling and snarky.

There's no false choice here.

It's not a big deal to me, that's just what I felt when I read what you wrote. I say things on here that people likely feel are belittling and snarky all the time. That's probably why I know it when I see it.

Of course Bondom is upset. I think we all understand that.

I would agree with you that Durant is more likely a 1A/1B option rather than #3. But we'll see. I understand what Bondom is saying as regards Green's role, too.

[bondom34]

Good for you, but HotRocks saw the same as I did.

Hey don't be snarky

I couldn't help myself .

[Hero]

Reggie Miller also didn't play for an organization that sabotage itself from being a legitimate dynasty by being cheap.

And this isn't what OKC did either. Reggie just wasn't a coward.

The terrible Harden trade proved the OKC franchise to be very cheap. At the end of the day ownership had an absolutely stud of a player and chose to trade him away because they didn't want to pay fair value.

[LeMasta]

I feel like I want GSW to win right away so KD rejoins OKC, but then he might stay for many more years to win a couple more. But then I want to see GSW lose to some underdog or the Cavs because it will be satisfying af. **** you KD for these conflicted feelings.

[bondom34]

Reggie Miller also didn't play for an organization that sabotage itself from being a legitimate dynasty by being cheap.

And this isn't what OKC did either. Reggie just wasn't a coward.

The terrible Harden trade proved the OKC franchise to be very cheap. At the end of the day ownership had an absolutely stud of a player and chose to trade him away because they didn't want to pay fair value.

He got them Adams, and he didn't want to be there. And isn't relevant.

[DubTheVanDamage]

I already explained it pretty clearly. Lebron saw something that could be special with him, and went for it. Durant saw something that was already special without him, and hopped on.

I understand what you're saying, I just don't see a huge distinction between joining a team that becomes a 6:5 favorite vs. one that becomes a 4:5 favorite. Wade + Bosh + a max FA slot is a pretty attractive landing spot and LeBron was clearly ring chasing by doing so. Maybe it wasn't as good as last year's Warriors minus Barnes, Ezeli and Bogut, but it's hardly 'building a team from scratch', IMO.

In addition, if we are going to compare clevelands 2010 win total vs OKC in 2016 as a measure of their supporting cast, you're just displaying you're willing to reach massively to make a point that is in need of desperate reaches to formulate. (Can't be because Lebron is just clearly better than Durant, can it?)

I flat out agreed that Durant's teammates looked better on paper, but it doesn't change the basic facts that the 2016 Thunder and 2010 Cavaliers were extremely similar in record and championship odds. Feel free to attribute it to LeBron being the better player, it doesn't change anything I said.

Besides, if LeBron was materially better in 2010 than Durant is now, wouldn't that be all the more reason for him to stay and build a contender in Cleveland?

Youre a warrior fan, be happy. Congrats. You don't need approval of other NBA fans. But as the saying goes, don't pee on me and tell me it's raining. This is not comparable to what Lebron did. The false equivalencies are insulting

I'm not seeking the approval of other NBA fans or of you. The reason I replied is because you said this:

There is a clear distinction here that is unfathomably lost on many. It has to be willful ignorance, because I don't see how people can plainly miss the distinction otherwise

Which I took as disrespect to anyone who doesn't agree with you. I tried to give an opposing argument with facts to support it. You don't agree and didn't have anything new to add. Fine, I won't convince you and you won't convince me. Peace.

[DreDay]

I mean, if you want to say I'm overreacting when multiple people have that feeling months ago, fine.

So I said KD will be the 1a/1b option on the Warriors team. If you want to disagree wit that, ok. It's just the truth.

Getting into a straw man with you about what " people said,months ago' doesn't change that truth.

I think offensively that's a possibility, I also think Green may be that guy. That's who he was in the past and he's had a bigger impact to some than Curry did.

What I took offense to was the claim that I was suddenly making this up spur of the moment because he left my team, when multiple people, not myself, have said this for months. That was just trying to poke at me and isn't appreciated.

These multiple people weren't you. You were on the Green is overrated train for a long while, and now you're suddenly claiming Green is better than KD? Wonder what changed...

[LLcoleJ]

That's how it read to me, yeah, belittling and snarky. Kind of like a written pat on the head.

So you believe that he is saying is 100% emotion free and he is being sensible and rational to suggest KD would be lucky to be the 3rd option on this Warrior team?

That isn't the question. The question is did your remark sound belittling and snarky. It did, at least to me.

Both things can be true. Bondom can be speaking from emotion, and your remark can be belittling and snarky.

There's no false choice here.

It's not a big deal to me, that's just what I felt when I read what you wrote. I say things on here that are belittling and snarky all the time. That's probably why I know it when I see it.

Of course Bondom is upset. I think we all understand that.

I would agree with you that Durant is more likely a 1A/1B option rather than #3. But we'll see. I understand what Bondom is saying as regards Green's role, too.

When you do lose a great player you tend to lash out and jump to the other side. When the Lakers traded Shaq it cut like a knife. I should have taken more time away, it did get better. Getting away certainly helps.

Now if we can all agree with that we are then stuck discussing how Dray and Durant suddenly leap frogged each other from the biggest OKC fan on this board.

Now, I am not a fan of either team, like at all. But to suggest that Durant is now a 3rd option I have to call BS on that. It's just not true.

I have read that Bondom would bet his account Durant wouldn't leave to the Warriors. I have seen him squash every notion that Durant would leave OKC all season. I have seen him lash out at posters talking about " Today is not a good day" when Durant made his decision. I have read a couple posts ago in this thread where he rants how much Durant changed in his eyes. So yeah, maybe he needs more time. Or he can continue to spin things. I am over it.

[jbk1234]

Also, if you don't think he's a big big part of the lack of passing, wait til you see him play.

Yeah ball movement was awful for OKC at times and Durant was hardly blameless. Will that improve if he thinks the ball will come back to him? Will the ball come back to him? Those are open questions. Everyone blamed Brooks but the song remained the same under Donovan. At some point, players have to buy in and sacrifice and not everyone is the sacrificing type.

[bondom34]

So I said KD will be the 1a/1b option on the Warriors team. If you want to disagree wit that, ok. It's just the truth.

Getting into a straw man with you about what " people said,months ago' doesn't change that truth.

I think offensively that's a possibility, I also think Green may be that guy. That's who he was in the past and he's had a bigger impact to some than Curry did.

What I took offense to was the claim that I was suddenly making this up spur of the moment because he left my team, when multiple people, not myself, have said this for months. That was just trying to poke at me and isn't appreciated.

These multiple people weren't you. You were on the Green is overrated train for a long while, and now you're suddenly claiming Green is better than KD? Wonder what changed...

I hopped off Green overratedness a while ago. I had Durant at a close 5th, with Green 6-10. I changed froma year ago when I thought Green was overrated, and haven't said anything to indicate otherwise. Saying Durant may not be as important as him isn't a stretch.

[oaktownwarriors87]

Durant is not on everyone's list.

And I think in GSW, he'll see a decreased role. I think the new guy in a new situation won't be as integral as those already there. I think he ends up 3rd wheel.

Durant ends up 3rd wheel? No way. He was able to shine on the most selfish team in the NBA. There's no doubt he'll look better than he ever has with this squad.

So he will be more important than Curry or Green overall? OK. Noted, but he's not the playmaker or defender Green is at all, and that's from a totally objective POV. And he's just not as good as Curry.

Green catches the ball in wide open spaces while surrounded by shooter. His play making is overrated.

Durant may not be as good as Curry, but he's longer than Curry. The Warriors biggest weakness is their lack of length. His ability to shoot the ball from anywhere and against anyone will be invaluable.

Also, if you don't think he's a big big part of the lack of passing, wait til you see him play.

He's a knock down shooter with the 8th best assist/pass ratio in the NBA. I think he'll be fine.

[fa2011]

Obviously Warriors fans are happy with Durant's decision.

Who else do you think would be happy with Durant's decision?

Once you understand the answer to that, then everything makes more sense in terms of how people are reacting to Durant's choice.

I know that's a rhetorical question , but I'd at least like for them to "show their faces" so to speak. I mean hell, if they're that passionate about defending them and KD, you'd at least expect them to acknowledge them as their favorite team ...

I just don't understand people bashing KD for the reasons I've explained over and over.

Just looking at my teams situation...if Hayward leaves the Jazz next summer it will be because we didn't put enough talent around him and provide a place where we can advance and win. It will be our fault if he sees a better opportunity to win and he takes it.

I will be sad...for sure...but I won't feel the need to bash Hayward and call him a beta or clown on him for taking the "easy way out" when it's my teams fault we didn't get him help.

That's a big reason I'm happy with the what the Jazz have done this offseason and have done the past few years in drafting.

We have a legit team for next year and hope to see us in the 4-5 seed. If we get there I have hope that Hayward will stay. But if we do get to the 4th seed for example and Hayward sees a team that offers him a better chance to win than we do...THATS ON THE JAZZ ORG!!! We should have drafted better, traded better, and done better in FA to get him the right pieces if he decides to leave.

I don't understand why we have to keep telling you and others it's not about KD leaving, it's who he left for... You're entitled to your own opinions as others are, too. If you don't like it, that's fine, the majority outside of the Bay Area would disagree with you.