Rookie Discussion [19/20] [part I]

[clyde21]

Yeah that depth of Will Barton at the 3 who got benched in the playoffs last season.

Serious forward depth guys.

oh you're talking in sarcasm you must REALLY know what you're talking about!

and yes, depth, hes gonna be fighting for minutes with Harris, Barton, Craig, Beasley and Juancho...that's a lot to ask from a guy who hasn't played real NBA minutes EVER

Doesn't change the fact that the Nugget's biggest weakness during the playoffs was lack of depth and size at the forward position. None of the players you mentioned address that. Juancho isn't going to get consistent minutes this season - has yet to happen and won't happen this season unless there's injuries.

If the Nuggets are serious about taking the next step its not going to happen by doubling down on the same players they played last year.

irrelevant...asking what is essentially a rookie to take on big minutes for a playoff team looking to make a trophy push is 'the stupid notion' here...and again, he'll be fighting with 5 different players for minutes on this Nuggets roster...

[Marcus]

Starter by January, top 3 on the Nuggets by the all star break.

Who spot he taking? Milsapp or Murray?

Craig or Barton. He will play small forward.

not talking position. You said Top 3 on the team. RN I would assume that top 3 consist of Jokic, Murray, and Millsap. I was asking which of the latter two you see him being better than by all-star break.

[TunaFish]

if he gets enough minutes to be in consideration for first team all rookie, good for him, I still don't see it with the Nuggets' depth and him still trying to get comfortable with his back over long stretches.

Yeah that depth of Will Barton at the 3 who got benched in the playoffs last season.

Serious forward depth guys.

oh you're talking in sarcasm you must REALLY know what you're talking about!

and yes, depth, hes gonna be fighting for minutes with Harris, Barton, Craig, Beasley and Juancho...that's a lot to ask from a guy who hasn't played real NBA minutes EVER

This a thread about rookies, so none of them have played real NBA minutes. Beasley is a shooting guard and backs up Harris. The question is whether he is better than Barton, Craig and Hernangomez? He likely will be.

[clyde21]

Yeah that depth of Will Barton at the 3 who got benched in the playoffs last season.

Serious forward depth guys.

oh you're talking in sarcasm you must REALLY know what you're talking about!

and yes, depth, hes gonna be fighting for minutes with Harris, Barton, Craig, Beasley and Juancho...that's a lot to ask from a guy who hasn't played real NBA minutes EVER

This a thread about rookies, so none of them have played real NBA minutes. Beasley is a shooting guard and backs up Harris. The question is whether he is better than Barton, Craig and Hernangomez? He likely will be.

okay? some rookies will still get more run than others depending on team/situation...the argument is that the Nuggets just don't have the minutes to give to MPJr to be able to make into into 1st team all rookie.

[TunaFish]

Who spot he taking? Milsapp or Murray?

Craig or Barton. He will play small forward.

not talking position. You said Top 3 on the team. RN I would assume that top 3 consist of Jokic, Murray, and Millsap. I was asking which of the latter two you see him being better than by all-star break.

I think he will be a top 3 scorer on the Nuggets (with Jokic and Murray ahead) and he has a chance to be a first option scorer down the road (as well as Murray). Watch him play, you'll see.

[TunaFish]

oh you're talking in sarcasm you must REALLY know what you're talking about!

and yes, depth, hes gonna be fighting for minutes with Harris, Barton, Craig, Beasley and Juancho...that's a lot to ask from a guy who hasn't played real NBA minutes EVER

This a thread about rookies, so none of them have played real NBA minutes. Beasley is a shooting guard and backs up Harris. The question is whether he is better than Barton, Craig and Hernangomez? He likely will be.

okay? some rookies will still get more run than others depending on team/situation...the argument is that the Nuggets just don't have the minutes to give to MPJr to be able to make into into 1st team all rookie.

He'll need some seasoning but he is headed for major minutes. Malone has confirmed this. His talent is on a level where you have to bring him up to a starting position at small forward as soon as possible.

[clyde21]

This a thread about rookies, so none of them have played real NBA minutes. Beasley is a shooting guard and backs up Harris. The question is whether he is better than Barton, Craig and Hernangomez? He likely will be.

okay? some rookies will still get more run than others depending on team/situation...the argument is that the Nuggets just don't have the minutes to give to MPJr to be able to make into into 1st team all rookie.

He'll need some seasoning but he is headed for major minutes. Malone has confirmed this. His talent is on a level where you have to bring him up to a starting position at small forward as soon as possible.

like I said, if that happens good for him, I don't see a path for big minutes yet, certainly not as big as some of the guys I have making 1st team

[Marcus]

Yeah that depth of Will Barton at the 3 who got benched in the playoffs last season.

Serious forward depth guys.

oh you're talking in sarcasm you must REALLY know what you're talking about!

and yes, depth, hes gonna be fighting for minutes with Harris, Barton, Craig, Beasley and Juancho...that's a lot to ask from a guy who hasn't played real NBA minutes EVER

This a thread about rookies, so none of them have played real NBA minutes. Beasley is a shooting guard and backs up Harris. The question is whether he is better than Barton, Craig and Hernangomez? He likely will be.

I think the question is more geared towards what do you really expect out of Porter and the leash that will be attached to him. Make no mistake about it, TALENT WISE it makes sense. But the Nuggets are knocking on the door of a finals look with pieces in place that they already know work. The question isn't about Porter's ability to play basketball but about his ability to play basketball on this team and if his timeframe fits their timeframe in terms of this season. Eventually he's going to be the starting 3 if he stays healthy. Will they allow him to mature into that while the winning still needs to occur on a team with the aspirations the Nuggets have? MPJ isn't in the normal rookie situation. These dudes are playing for something, there might not be the same leash afforded to him on a team that's been winning without him. Your talent level doesn't matter if you don't fit, that's rookie or otherwise. MPJ has to do whatever his assigned tasking is with very little margin for error I would assume because Denver might not have the time or patience to wait on him to catch up DURING the season when they have a plethora of guys that may not be more talented than the guy we're trying to fit in, but they have a better understanding of what we're doing for the moment.

[Marcus]

Craig or Barton. He will play small forward.

not talking position. You said Top 3 on the team. RN I would assume that top 3 consist of Jokic, Murray, and Millsap. I was asking which of the latter two you see him being better than by all-star break.

I think he will be a top 3 scorer on the Nuggets (with Jokic and Murray ahead) and he has a chance to be a first option scorer down the road (as well as Murray). Watch him play, you'll see.

lol oh I've seen him. He's talented and should provide them with a 3 level scorer different from what Murray can do due to size. I just don't know if that's RN.

[Sharkboy242]

oh you're talking in sarcasm you must REALLY know what you're talking about!

and yes, depth, hes gonna be fighting for minutes with Harris, Barton, Craig, Beasley and Juancho...that's a lot to ask from a guy who hasn't played real NBA minutes EVER

Doesn't change the fact that the Nugget's biggest weakness during the playoffs was lack of depth and size at the forward position. None of the players you mentioned address that. Juancho isn't going to get consistent minutes this season - has yet to happen and won't happen this season unless there's injuries.

If the Nuggets are serious about taking the next step its not going to happen by doubling down on the same players they played last year.

irrelevant...asking what is essentially a rookie to take on big minutes for a playoff team looking to make a trophy push is 'the stupid notion' here...and again, he'll be fighting with 5 different players for minutes on this Nuggets roster...

Its not a stupid notion if MPJ is actually better than all those players you mentioned (I mean Craig and Juancho? come on). Color me optimistic but in his limited stint he already looks better than a lot of those players.

People are overrating the Nuggets imo. Without Jokic no one would be saying the Nuggets have a lot of depth. We have depth because you plug any player in next to Jokic and they become serviceable. There's guard depth but even then only one guard breaks top 50 in the league.

[TunaFish]

oh you're talking in sarcasm you must REALLY know what you're talking about!

and yes, depth, hes gonna be fighting for minutes with Harris, Barton, Craig, Beasley and Juancho...that's a lot to ask from a guy who hasn't played real NBA minutes EVER

This a thread about rookies, so none of them have played real NBA minutes. Beasley is a shooting guard and backs up Harris. The question is whether he is better than Barton, Craig and Hernangomez? He likely will be.

I think the question is more geared towards what do you really expect out of Porter and the leash that will be attached to him. Make no mistake about it, TALENT WISE it makes sense. But the Nuggets are knocking on the door of a finals look with pieces in place that they already know work. The question isn't about Porter's ability to play basketball but about his ability to play basketball on this team and if his timeframe fits their timeframe in terms of this season. Eventually he's going to be the starting 3 if he stays healthy. Will they allow him to mature into that while the winning still needs to occur on a team with the aspirations the Nuggets have? MPJ isn't in the normal rookie situation. These dudes are playing for something, there might not be the same leash afforded to him on a team that's been winning without him. Your talent level doesn't matter if you don't fit, that's rookie or otherwise. MPJ has to do whatever his assigned tasking is with very little margin for error I would assume because Denver might not have the time or patience to wait on him to catch up DURING the season when they have a plethora of guys that may not be more talented than the guy we're trying to fit in, but they have a better understanding of what we're doing for the moment.

All correct but there is one question mark on the Nugget's starting rotation and that is at small forward. Hernangomez might be a factor but has not shown much in the preseason. Barton has been wildly inconsistent having to be benched in the playoffs. Craig is a 3 and D stop gap. That leaves MPJ a clear path if he can take it.

[Marcus]

This a thread about rookies, so none of them have played real NBA minutes. Beasley is a shooting guard and backs up Harris. The question is whether he is better than Barton, Craig and Hernangomez? He likely will be.

I think the question is more geared towards what do you really expect out of Porter and the leash that will be attached to him. Make no mistake about it, TALENT WISE it makes sense. But the Nuggets are knocking on the door of a finals look with pieces in place that they already know work. The question isn't about Porter's ability to play basketball but about his ability to play basketball on this team and if his timeframe fits their timeframe in terms of this season. Eventually he's going to be the starting 3 if he stays healthy. Will they allow him to mature into that while the winning still needs to occur on a team with the aspirations the Nuggets have? MPJ isn't in the normal rookie situation. These dudes are playing for something, there might not be the same leash afforded to him on a team that's been winning without him. Your talent level doesn't matter if you don't fit, that's rookie or otherwise. MPJ has to do whatever his assigned tasking is with very little margin for error I would assume because Denver might not have the time or patience to wait on him to catch up DURING the season when they have a plethora of guys that may not be more talented than the guy we're trying to fit in, but they have a better understanding of what we're doing for the moment.

All correct but there is one question mark on the Nugget's starting rotation and that is at small forward. Hernangomez might be a factor but has not shown much in the preseason. Barton has been wildly inconsistent having to be benched in the playoffs. Craig is a 3 and D stop gap. That leaves MPJ a clear path if he can take it.

Hopefully he can. I think if he buys in it's a really good fit for both sides long term.

[Roddy B for 3]

Yeah that depth of Will Barton at the 3 who got benched in the playoffs last season.

Serious forward depth guys.

what role do you see MPJ having if healthy? where in the pecking order?

Starter by January, top 3 on the Nuggets by the all star break.

Is he beating out Gary Harris or Jammal Murray for that top 3 distinction?

[xxSnEaKyPxx]

In my completely unbiased opinion, Goga Bitadze is now all ya'lls daddy.

That is all. Carry on.

[GregB]

Carson Edwards just scored 21 on 7/8 shooting from 3 in 6 min against Cleveland. Dude is a bucket.

[Roddy B for 3]

oh you're talking in sarcasm you must REALLY know what you're talking about!

and yes, depth, hes gonna be fighting for minutes with Harris, Barton, Craig, Beasley and Juancho...that's a lot to ask from a guy who hasn't played real NBA minutes EVER

Doesn't change the fact that the Nugget's biggest weakness during the playoffs was lack of depth and size at the forward position. None of the players you mentioned address that. Juancho isn't going to get consistent minutes this season - has yet to happen and won't happen this season unless there's injuries.

If the Nuggets are serious about taking the next step its not going to happen by doubling down on the same players they played last year.

irrelevant...asking what is essentially a rookie to take on big minutes for a playoff team looking to make a trophy push is 'the stupid notion' here...and again, he'll be fighting with 5 different players for minutes on this Nuggets roster...

Because rookie Carmelo Anthony would be the #2 player for the Nuggets imo, and I can understand a Nuggets fan assuming MPJ has Carmelo Anthony potential.

[TunaFish]

what role do you see MPJ having if healthy? where in the pecking order?

Starter by January, top 3 on the Nuggets by the all star break.

Is he beating out Gary Harris or Jammal Murray for that top 3 distinction?

Harris. Problem for Gary is injuries and it took a long time for him to come back last season. His scoring load may drop even if he is healthy if the small forward position improves.

[Roddy B for 3]

Starter by January, top 3 on the Nuggets by the all star break.

Is he beating out Gary Harris or Jammal Murray for that top 3 distinction?

Harris. Problem for Gary is injuries and it took a long time for him to come back last season. His scoring load may drop even if he is healthy if the small forward position improves.

Do you think if Gary Harris is healthy all season MPJ will have a better season?

I forgot about Millsap too, you think MPJ will be better than Millsap or Jokic or Murray?

[TunaFish]

Is he beating out Gary Harris or Jammal Murray for that top 3 distinction?

Harris. Problem for Gary is injuries and it took a long time for him to come back last season. His scoring load may drop even if he is healthy if the small forward position improves.

Do you think if Gary Harris is healthy all season MPJ will have a better season?

I forgot about Millsap too, you think MPJ will be better than Millsap or Jokic or Murray?

If MPJ reaches the starting small forward position, he will be a better scorer than either Harris or Millsap. That's how I see it.

[kinggnik87]

As a Nugget and MPJ fan, I don't believe he will make the starting lineup this season (Juancho is in a World Cup winning team as a starter; Barton is still a veteran scoring threat; Craig is the defensive energy guy that Malone prefer), not to mention saying him a better scorer than Millsap or Harris. Let's pump the breaks until 10 games into the season before we discuss whether MPJ is a better scorer than both of them.

MPJ is still have a lot to learn, with limited minutes to practice what he learnt.