2021-22 NBA Rookie Thread (part 6) - with ROY poll

[ForeverTFC]

Best draft in NBA history? There’s a real possibility.

It's not touching 2003 or 96

84 can't be touched. Hakeem, Jordan, Barkley, and Stockton.

03 had Lebron, Carmelo, Wade and Bosh. Pretty damn close.

[Roger Murdock]

Mobley has so many tools it’s absolutely absurd

He has potential to be one of the best players of all time

He doesn’t play with the level of agency/control over a game a guy like Cade does right now but if he learns to be more assertive god knows what he’s capable of. And I think he will.

There’s nothing his body and skill sets incapable of and he’s the smartest/highest IQ player in the draft, potentially in the league

[ForeverTFC]

Mobley has so many tools it’s absolutely absurd

He has potential to be one of the best players of all time

He doesn’t play with the level of agency/control over a game a guy like Cade does right now but if he learns to be more assertive god knows what he’s capable of. And I think he will.

There’s nothing his body and skill sets incapable of and he’s the smartest/highest IQ player in the draft, potentially in the league

Lebron, Jokic, and CP3 would like a chat.

[Tripod]

Barnes with 15 pts on 7/8 shooting including 1/1 from 3...and 3 reb, 1 steal....in the 1st Q.

A taste of what he can do when he is not the 4th or 5th scoring option.

[Roger Murdock]

Mobley has so many tools it’s absolutely absurd

He has potential to be one of the best players of all time

He doesn’t play with the level of agency/control over a game a guy like Cade does right now but if he learns to be more assertive god knows what he’s capable of. And I think he will.

There’s nothing his body and skill sets incapable of and he’s the smartest/highest IQ player in the draft, potentially in the league

Lebron, Jokic, and CP3 would like a chat.

LeBron and CP3s careers will barely overlap with Mobley. Jokic is probably the best.

In terms of right place, right time, on both sides of the ball Mobley is far ahead of where LeBron was.

[thelead]

It's not touching 2003 or 96

84 can't be touched. Hakeem, Jordan, Barkley, and Stockton.

03 had Lebron, Carmelo, Wade and Bosh. Pretty damn close.

No doubt close, but which would you put money on if you had to win a game? I know which group I'm going with

[ForeverTFC]

84 can't be touched. Hakeem, Jordan, Barkley, and Stockton.

03 had Lebron, Carmelo, Wade and Bosh. Pretty damn close.

No doubt close, but which would you put money on if you had to win a game? I know which group I'm going with

I'm a big Hakeem stan so won't be going against you on this one

[NYPiston]

Mobley is a top 5 defender in the NBA and now starting to produce efficient 30 pt games now that he's playing center and moved up in the offensive pecking orders.

It's Mobley and every one else is pretty far away.

One 30 point game, only game over 22.

Mobley is great and certainly has a strong argument for ROY but it's one high level scoring game and there is no "pretty far away" candidate for ROY.

[yoyoboy]

Mobley is a top 5 defender in the NBA and now starting to produce efficient 30 pt games now that he's playing center and moved up in the offensive pecking orders.

It's Mobley and every one else is pretty far away.

One 30 point game, only game over 22.

Mobley is great and certainly has a strong argument for ROY but it's one high level scoring game and there is no "pretty far away" candidate for ROY.

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5 games over 22 actually and 3 more at exactly 22. Scoring is also the weakest part of Mobley's game so hyper focusing is missing the forest for the trees when it comes to Mobley as an overall package.

[NYPiston]

Mobley is a top 5 defender in the NBA and now starting to produce efficient 30 pt games now that he's playing center and moved up in the offensive pecking orders.

It's Mobley and every one else is pretty far away.

One 30 point game, only game over 22.

Mobley is great and certainly has a strong argument for ROY but it's one high level scoring game and there is no "pretty far away" candidate for ROY.

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5 games over 22 actually and 3 more at exactly 22. Scoring is also the weakest part of Mobley's game so hyper focusing is missing the forest for the trees when it comes to Mobley as an overall package.

Since he played center, when Allen went down.

I'm aware that his game is much more than scoring, I'm just pointing out that he has produced one efficient 30 point game, not efficient 30 game"s" and that he isn't "far and away" better than all the other rookies.

[PhilBlackson]

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[Madhouse]

One 30 point game, only game over 22.

Mobley is great and certainly has a strong argument for ROY but it's one high level scoring game and there is no "pretty far away" candidate for ROY.

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5 games over 22 actually and 3 more at exactly 22. Scoring is also the weakest part of Mobley's game so hyper focusing is missing the forest for the trees when it comes to Mobley as an overall package.

Since he played center, when Allen went down.

I'm aware that his game is much more than scoring, I'm just pointing out that he has produced one efficient 30 point game, not efficient 30 game"s" and that he isn't "far and away" better than all the other rookies.

and lets not forget most of his points are assisted by Garland.

But I guess, someone always needs to point out that 'their' guy is so much better than everyone else when the other 2 are totally awesome as well.

[RaptorPride]

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[yoyoboy]

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5 games over 22 actually and 3 more at exactly 22. Scoring is also the weakest part of Mobley's game so hyper focusing is missing the forest for the trees when it comes to Mobley as an overall package.

Since he played center, when Allen went down.

I'm aware that his game is much more than scoring, I'm just pointing out that he has produced one efficient 30 point game, not efficient 30 game"s" and that he isn't "far and away" better than all the other rookies.

and lets not forget most of his points are assisted by Garland.

But I guess, someone always needs to point out that 'their' guy is so much better than everyone else when the other 2 are totally awesome as well.

No one's saying the other two aren't awesome lol and I never even mentioned anyone else in the post, which was specifically in response to something about Mobley. But since you bring it up, the fact of the matter though is that this is a thread where discussions are meant to be had comparing the prospects for ROTY honors. And Mobley has been the clear ROTY. If the situations were reversed and Raps fans were the ones who had Mobley playing the way he has, I can only imagine how unbearable the fanbase would be in making sure everyone knew it.

Right now, Mobley ranges from a -400 to a -1000 favorite on betting sites for ROTY. No other guys are even better than +400. So clearly this isn't just coming out of thin air. Most people outside of Detroit and Toronto fans think Mobley is the ROTY.

[Rapcity_11]

List of rookies to average 17/6/5 since the 3pt era:

Magic Johnson
Michael Jordan
Grant Hill
Luka Doncic

Cunningham’s current averages:
16.9 ppg
5.9 rpg
5.3 apg

People are really missing the boat with having Barnes and Mobley ahead of Cunningham. Mobley should probably be 1st team All Defense but the NBA has ALWAYS placed more weight on offensive production with ROTY, All-NBA and Playoff MVP awards…and for good reason. The NBA is an offensive showcase league.

You a big Michael Carter-Williams fan?

How many rookie's have averaged 15.2/7.6/3.3/1.2/0.8?

The more you lower the threshold, the more average players you bring into the discussion.

Answer the questions.

[Kalamazoo317]

It's pretty clearly a tight three player race.

[Madhouse]

Since he played center, when Allen went down.

I'm aware that his game is much more than scoring, I'm just pointing out that he has produced one efficient 30 point game, not efficient 30 game"s" and that he isn't "far and away" better than all the other rookies.

and lets not forget most of his points are assisted by Garland.

But I guess, someone always needs to point out that 'their' guy is so much better than everyone else when the other 2 are totally awesome as well.

No one's saying the other two aren't awesome lol and I never even mentioned anyone else in the post, which was specifically in response to something about Mobley. But since you bring it up, the fact of the matter though is that this is a thread where discussions are meant to be had comparing the prospects for ROTY honors. And Mobley has been the clear ROTY. If the situations were reversed and Raps fans were the ones who had Mobley playing the way he has, I can only imagine how unbearable the fanbase would be in making sure everyone knew it.

Right now, Mobley ranges from a -400 to a -1000 favorite on betting sites for ROTY. No other guys are even better than +400. So clearly this isn't just coming out of thin air. Most people outside of Detroit and Toronto fans think Mobley is the ROTY.

There is nothing clear about. His volume stats are not better, his advanced stats are not better. Hell, his on/off is also negative. Mobley is the clear favorite but he shouldn't be. The media made up their minds a long time ago that Mobley would be ROY regardless how everyone else would perform. In fact Barnes has been the most impactful rookie by a mile since the Allstar break.

[everdiso]

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[Tripod]

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Had a good 1st Q tonight, then became the 6th option for offense so others could get theirs.

All 4 other starters took more shots the rest of the game and Boucher took 1 less in much less minutes played. This is the "pecking order" Raps fans talk about.

Oh well, finished with a respectable:

21-9-5-1-2 +21

[zeebneeb]

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Interesting cutoff on the assists.

I wonder what that list looks like with these numbers since the all-star break;

22+ppg(22.3)
7+rpg(7.5)
6+apg(6.0)

I know of at least one, Cade Cunningham.

Arbitrary number list's are made to support some players over other players.

I remember when Andre Drummond was putting up actually absurd numbers (20ppg 20rpg 2bpg) for a big stretch of games, and an exact graphic like this was used to proclaim it, and to compare him to some pretty lofty players.