Eurobasket 2022 Finals : SPAIN are European champions!!!

Mirotic12 · Post #521 » by **Mirotic12** » Fri Sep 16, 2022 4:49 pm

Chuck Diesel wrote:Former Poland Coach Mike Taylor has been great as a color analyst. Invaluable insight.

So much better than those British analysts......

Post #522 » by **Dirk** » Fri Sep 16, 2022 4:53 pm

I still can't believe gimpy Luka lost to Poland.

Bodiroga13 · Post #523 » by **Bodiroga13** » Fri Sep 16, 2022 4:55 pm

Mirotic12 wrote:
Bodiroga13 wrote:A.J Slaughter is a Panathinaikos legend, therefore, i am rooting for Poland

(Ok, not exactly a legend tbh, but there were some games that he looked like Curry ! )

You have to remember to use the green font...........

38.8 FG%
41.2 2 PT FG%

36.7 3 PT FG%
80% FT%

9.7 PPG

Yep, definitely was like Steph Curry..................again, please remember to use the green font next time.

Why should i use the green font when it's so obvious that i am joking? The worst thing that can happen is, a person reading this and thinks that i have no clue about basketball. It's not something devastating for me, i can live with that

edededtut · Post #524 » by **edededtut** » Fri Sep 16, 2022 4:56 pm

bravor wrote:
el_Diablo wrote:It’s interesting that the french dont foul at all.

Still much more than any spanish team, my "friend"

The refs immediately proceeded to call five fouls for them in the third

Really impressive defense though

UcanUwill · Post #525 » by **UcanUwill** » Fri Sep 16, 2022 4:56 pm

Slovenia look pretty stupid right now.

stitches · Post #526 » by **stitches** » Fri Sep 16, 2022 4:57 pm

lambchop wrote:Man Poland had a great run. Props to them for knocking out Slovenai and trying to put up a fight against France.

Btw Goberts FG attempts are simply so painful to watch. Either him or his coaches deserve a lot of blame for not making sure he put in work in the summer. Every FG attempt that isnt a dunk has almost no chance of going in.

This is not about putting in the work. Gobert is one of the hardest workers in the off-season. He just has really bad touch and control on the ball. He's just super awkward with it. Gobert will NEVER be a back to the basket center... or even face up center. No amount of work will change that. He's a screen setter and rim roller. So he works on things that he actually has a chance to improve - his body/strength, his FT shooting(has been steadily improving every year he's been in the league and last year he was at 69% if I'm not mistaken)... he's making slight improvements in his defensive game every year, etc.

But he will never be a natural scorer of the basketball. He will always be an elite screen setter and PnR center and finisher. He is limited offensively(but everything he's actually required to do - he does at an extremely high level) and you are having unrealistic expectations if you want him to be more than that. And none of this is because he's not working in the off-season. Just his natural talent is of different variety and some of this comes with his own limitations.

bravor · Post #527 » by **bravor** » Fri Sep 16, 2022 5:01 pm

Poland struggled mostly because no one wanted to take over from Panintka/Slaughter considering France did what they needed to isolate them from their partners (mostly from Tarpey/Albicy).
This team with Sochan (if he's really a good playmaker) will already look much better. Now they also need some local pg (or combo guard, at worst some 'Lakovic' level combo guard).

Sad that Karnowski did not confirm his potential, he would have helped as well.

No matter what, it's been an incredible tournament for them.

Normally it should way more balanced in the other game.

Chuck Diesel · Post #528 » by **Chuck Diesel** » Fri Sep 16, 2022 5:04 pm

This has to sting even more for Luka and the Slovenians. They really can’t stand that French team.

UcanUwill · Post #529 » by **UcanUwill** » Fri Sep 16, 2022 5:04 pm

SO you know, I did top performer top 5s all tournament around, basing lists of Efficiency rating (EFF). Well, todays highest EFF among Polish was +6... Wow.

Rasho Brezec · Post #530 » by **Rasho Brezec** » Fri Sep 16, 2022 5:12 pm

UcanUwill wrote:Slovenia look pretty stupid right now.

YOLO

Archx · Post #531 » by **Archx** » Fri Sep 16, 2022 5:16 pm

Dirk wrote:I still can't believe gimpy Luka lost to Poland.

Shush, we don't talk about that anymore :tooth

Legendary Slovenian coach already said everything that needed to be said yesterday. Was awesome to hear/read about it.

knicksfan974 · Post #532 » by **knicksfan974** » Fri Sep 16, 2022 5:24 pm

France the biggest favorite to win the tournament. If they play close to their ability in the final it is hard to see anyone stopping them.

Mirotic12 · Post #533 » by **Mirotic12** » Fri Sep 16, 2022 5:24 pm

Chuck Diesel wrote:I’d like to see Yabusele take another crack at the NBA. He’s gotten way better since he left and the league better suits his skillset.

These FIBA tournaments, even the EuroBasket, which is clearly the highest level FIBA tournament, as it is obviously a better level overall than the Olympics and World Cup, but even still, it's without any doubt much worse than the EuroLeague level.

Poland, Italy, Spain, Finland - teams like that having good results in this EuroBasket, and not one of them could even sniff making the EuroLeague playoffs. I doubt if Poland's national team could even win a single game in a EuroLeague season. I honestly think they would go 0-34 in EuroLeague, and they are in the medal round at EuroBasket.

Every summer you have a list of 2-3 players you are high on based on play from these FIBA tournaments, and you talk about how they should be in the NBA, and every summer, we have this same discussion about that, about how in European club basketball, that those same players, are nothing more than an average players, or in some cases, worse than that.

I remember for example you were talking about Gabriel Deck like that, based on his FIBA play with Argentina, and how he should be in the NBA. Well, NBA scouts that are so lazy all they can do is look at a FIBA tournament, and are too lazy to look at whole seasons of play in clubs leagues, and against better competition, must also think the same. Deck was signed to the NBA.

I remember at the time of the FIBA play, saying how Deck was like an average EuroLeague player, and how for most of his time at Real Madrid, he barely even contributed to the team. I also remember saying NBA scouts were clowns, if they thought he was even in the top 10 number of small forwards they should look at from EuroLeague, and that I was sure it made no sense why they even were interested in him. No surprise that he did nothing in the NBA, because he never did jack squat in Real for the most part.

Yet, because he "looks good with Argentina", he was suddenly in the NBA.

Yabusele, if you watch against much better competition in the EuroLeague, you can see that he is a chucker, he has a low basketball IQ, he has terrible shot selection, he loves to stand at the 3 point line and shoot wild bricks, if the shot is contested. He had good production on Real Madrid last season, but somehow he just doesn't seem like a top quality EuroLeague player to me. Way too many bad decisions, bad mental plays, bad shot selections for me.

As for Ponitka, he had a great tournament with Poland. Now all of a sudden, it's why isn't he in the NBA? I've seen him for years in EuroLeague. He's a player I do really like, but in all honesty, he was mostly just a solid player in EuroLeague, in his career. I honestly don't even remember him doing all that much when he played in the 2nd tier EuroCup.

Mirotic12 · Post #534 » by **Mirotic12** » Fri Sep 16, 2022 5:31 pm

UcanUwill wrote:That said, beside Sabonis, to me, Ellie Okobo is probably the most disappointing player in a tournament.

Okobo is a chucker, a ball hogger, and a hero ball extraordinaire. He plays for pure stat padding, and is the type of player that should only be playing on bad teams. The drop off for France in guard play, from Nando De Colo to Okobo, is maybe even worse than Greece's drop off from Nikos Zisis and Vassilis Spanoulis to Kostas Sloukas. Sloukas is easily way better than Okobo.

This last season in EuroLeague....all Okobo did was chuck, stat pad, and play without any regard for winning or losing......no idea why France selected him.

mcmurphy · Post #535 » by **mcmurphy** » Fri Sep 16, 2022 5:33 pm

jesus, if I still think Italy-France when 90 seconds left with +5 the refs gave Spissu a technical foul for a flop when Gobert in the block had his legs open and there was 80lb of weight difference... 50% of Spissu's weight...

f... you refs

Mirotic12 · Post #536 » by **Mirotic12** » Fri Sep 16, 2022 5:33 pm

UcanUwill wrote:If PJ Tucker can play in the NBA, maybe Yebusele can too? Dancing bear can lock up people.

Yabusele is clearly a more talented and skilled player than PJ Tucker is. But PJ Tucker's basketball IQ is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than Yabusele's.

Mirotic12 · Post #537 » by **Mirotic12** » Fri Sep 16, 2022 5:38 pm

Bodiroga13 wrote:
Mirotic12 wrote:
Bodiroga13 wrote:A.J Slaughter is a Panathinaikos legend, therefore, i am rooting for Poland

(Ok, not exactly a legend tbh, but there were some games that he looked like Curry ! )

You have to remember to use the green font...........

38.8 FG%
41.2 2 PT FG%

36.7 3 PT FG%
80% FT%

9.7 PPG

Yep, definitely was like Steph Curry..................again, please remember to use the green font next time.

Why should i use the green font when it's so obvious that i am joking? The worst thing that can happen is, a person reading this and thinks that i have no clue about basketball. It's not something devastating for me, i can live with that

Alright.

Mirotic12 · Post #538 » by **Mirotic12** » Fri Sep 16, 2022 5:45 pm

mcmurphy wrote:jesus, if I still think Italy-France when 90 seconds left with +5 the refs gave Spissu a technical foul for a flop when Gobert in the block had his legs open and there was 80lb of weight difference... 50% of Spissu's weight...

f... you refs

Yeah, that definitely did not look like a flop. That was a ridiculous call.

lt175 · Post #539 » by **lt175** » Fri Sep 16, 2022 5:55 pm

UcanUwill wrote:That said, beside Sabonis, to me, Ellie Okobo is probably the most disappointing player in a tournament.

I would say that Okobo is clearly by far the most disappointing player.
At least Sabonis had some good games. His first two games were really bad but after that he was pretty solid.
Okobo never found his place in the French Team even as a back up.
That´s really weird because he has the ballhandling, the shot, the creativity for at least be a solid bench player.
He´s still 24 and other french players had difficulties finding their place with Vincent Collet as coach. Nando De Colo for example had to wait Eurobasket 2015 to be a strong player for France even if he was already a really good player in Europe for years.
With Okobo, I´m really surprised because he was pretty good in the warm up games I saw.

UcanUwill · Post #540 » by **UcanUwill** » Fri Sep 16, 2022 5:59 pm

lt175 wrote:
UcanUwill wrote:That said, beside Sabonis, to me, Ellie Okobo is probably the most disappointing player in a tournament.

I would say that Okobo is clearly by far the most disappointing player.
At least Sabonis had some good games. His first two games were really bad but after that he was pretty solid.
Okobo never found his place in the French Team even as a back up.
That´s really weird because he has the ballhandling, the shot, the creativity for at least be a solid bench player.
He´s still 24 and other french players had difficulties finding their place with Vincent Collet as coach. Nando De Colo for example had to wait Eurobasket 2015 to be a strong player for France even if he was already a really good player in Europe for years.
With Okobo, I´m really surprised because he was pretty good in the warm up games I saw.

I was super exited for Okobo + James combo in Monaco, but I don't know, he looked really bad so far, he will probably find his mojo back in club basketball, but people expected Decolo replacement, and he is not that at least so far.

Who will be new European champion?