Woj/Shams: Ime Udoka Suspended for 2022-23 Season - Inappropriate Relationship, Conduct Violations

[Antinomy]

This conversation is silly because you guys don’t know the difference between a rate & a percentage.

Kinda sad actually.

I have a PhD in quantitative sociology and am currently a data science professor. I understand the difference between a rate and a percentage.

My link didn't work before, but here's one from the Census that might help you understand: https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2020/12/united-states-marriage-and-divorce-rates-declined-last-10-years.html

Now, comparing marriage and divorce rates straight up doesn't fully make sense as they are calculated per 1000 women, so divorce rates will look lower if you have fewer married people (as only married people are eligible for divorce). But we can look at the change in percentages. Marriage rates drop slightly, but divorce rates drop even more. That provides no evidence that divorce is becoming more common (to the contrary, the number of married people is going to be: Number married at T1 + number married - number divorced - number dead - number widowed. Now, things do change a little bit with cohort size, as it's calculated for people over 15, and young people aren't a super large cohort compared to historical numbers (due to the low birth rate) and the group that is now moving into their major mortality risk era is very large, so we're seeing lower proportion of married people in the population as a large, more often married generation is dying/being widowed.

So to make the best comparison, you have to take all that into account, but it's really hard to be in a situation where divorce is increasing while the divorce rate is dropping faster than the marriage rate. You need some very specific demographic shifts, which we're not seeing at the moment.

Now, I'm open to a counterargument, but you're going to need to show me some math to show that it's happening.

You have much more resilience than I do. Respect. When i suggested he Google the data 3 times and he still opted out, I knew there was nothing left to discuss.

But I salute you.

Worry about your marriage dude, not me

[Joshyjess]

Joe Mazzulla coach of the year!!!!!!????!!!!!

[Joshyjess]

If the woman that Udoka slept with is really the wife of another executive within the organization, then yeah, that's really dirty and disrespectful to the organization. It's not something that can just be brushed aside.

Ferengi Rules of Acquisition #112 and #113: Never sleep with the boss' sister or wife. Rather, always sleep with the boss.

The fact that I get this reference (and even find it funny) distrubs me almost more than anything else I've read today.

[DaeDae]

The more I think about it, this may be the WILDEST NBA story I’ve heard in a long time.

[Cubbies2120]

Have to say I don't understand the misogyny conclusion.

Really?

Ime Udoka, engaged man, should get a much smaller punishment than the woman (also married)? He should be commended for "exposing a cheater"...by being a cheater himself? She should be fined and he should only be suspended?

How about equal media exposure, equal punishment?

How I see it, the only victim is the husband who remainly faithful (as far as we know).

What about the fiancee of Udoka? She's not a victim?

[tbhawksfan1]

He should just have to marry her and everybody just stfu

[DaeDae]

I have a PhD in quantitative sociology and am currently a data science professor. I understand the difference between a rate and a percentage.

My link didn't work before, but here's one from the Census that might help you understand: https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2020/12/united-states-marriage-and-divorce-rates-declined-last-10-years.html

Now, comparing marriage and divorce rates straight up doesn't fully make sense as they are calculated per 1000 women, so divorce rates will look lower if you have fewer married people (as only married people are eligible for divorce). But we can look at the change in percentages. Marriage rates drop slightly, but divorce rates drop even more. That provides no evidence that divorce is becoming more common (to the contrary, the number of married people is going to be: Number married at T1 + number married - number divorced - number dead - number widowed. Now, things do change a little bit with cohort size, as it's calculated for people over 15, and young people aren't a super large cohort compared to historical numbers (due to the low birth rate) and the group that is now moving into their major mortality risk era is very large, so we're seeing lower proportion of married people in the population as a large, more often married generation is dying/being widowed.

So to make the best comparison, you have to take all that into account, but it's really hard to be in a situation where divorce is increasing while the divorce rate is dropping faster than the marriage rate. You need some very specific demographic shifts, which we're not seeing at the moment.

Now, I'm open to a counterargument, but you're going to need to show me some math to show that it's happening.

You have much more resilience than I do. Respect. When i suggested he Google the data 3 times and he still opted out, I knew there was nothing left to discuss.

But I salute you.

Worry about your marriage dude, not me

I’m not worried about my marriage. At all. That’s a weird take.

[Dubnation]

Did he really, I mean this has been confirmed that it was one of the executives' wife? Dang. Who's wife?

As for the implications- they are much bigger than people think when it comes to coorperate workplace/space. Usually, this could lead to law suits, serious league-wide blockback and potentially even the ownership being forced to sell the team. That's why in any big time coorporation, you're now allowed to sleep with women/men especially if you're in a position of power.

Back a few pages someone quoted a tweet that he actually was f***ing more than one woman connected to the Celtics, including a VP and a Sr. VP’s WIFE.

That is the only thing that lends itself to a YEAR LONG suspension making sense. They aren’t giving him this kind of work (no pun intended) for f***ing the towel girl.

Just read on our board and a story is saying that he was sleeping with one of Steve Paggliuca's best buddies wife, who's married with children. I mean, anybody would do that, tbh. If I'm owner and one of my employees is **** my best friend's wife, I would fire them nearly for sure. To me Udoka isn't the sharpest tool in the shed. There are so many women in the US. That's just plain stupid.

Remember, it takes two. Obviously the wife is at least a hotwife, vixen, or in the LS most likely.

[Joshyjess]

I think I remember reading a few monts ago on these boards that some people were saying that this was going to be a very boring off-season - Hah, I wish!

[Dainis]

Pussy's a pussy.

Strike 1 - this is unnecessary and you've been soft warned for this many times. It's time.

[CelticSooner]

I’m not the least bit surprised there are people already trying to make this into some racial issue smh no god forbid this he nothing more than a dumb ass coach abusing his position of power and undermining the whole organization.

He knew the rules and obviously didn’t care enough about his job not to break them.

They are in the VAST minority. Please don’t amplify this as a race issue by honing in on race-baiting.

How about those posts get removed then? This thread is huge already and being on the most visible last page in which I’ve only read.

[Bulliever2020]

Man, all Sarver had to do was wait 2 days and he would have been completely pushed off the NBA's front page.

[CelticSooner]

That’s my thing. This dude is a millionaire, on national TV regularly, runs in pretty substantial circles and is AT MINIMUM attractive enough to pull Nia Long and be her Fiance. He literally could have chosen almost any other woman on earth - and many of them would have been down with it, married people not - and he would not be suspended today. He chose one of the only 5-10 women on EARTH that could potentially ruin his career by sleeping with her.

If the story is true of course…..

Amazing isn't it?

The guy is a certified moron.

Just another guy that thinks with the wrong head. Such is life

[DaeDae]

I’m not the least bit surprised there are people already trying to make this into some racial issue smh no god forbid this he nothing more than a dumb ass coach abusing his position of power and undermining the whole organization.

He knew the rules and obviously didn’t care enough about his job not to break them.

They are in the VAST minority. Please don’t amplify this as a race issue by honing in on race-baiting.

How about those posts get removed then? This thread is huge already and being on the most visible last page in which I’ve only read.

I get it.

[Dubnation]

If the woman that Udoka slept with is really the wife of another executive within the organization, then yeah, that's really dirty and disrespectful to the organization. It's not something that can just be brushed aside.

It can easily be explained or justified if one or both are in the lifestyle. It may be shocking to vanillas, so it makes sense that the employer may overreact.

[Dubnation]

If the woman that Udoka slept with is really the wife of another executive within the organization, then yeah, that's really dirty and disrespectful to the organization. It's not something that can just be brushed aside.

Ferengi Rules of Acquisition #112 and #113: Never sleep with the boss' sister or wife. Rather, always sleep with the boss.

The fact that I get this reference (and even find it funny) distrubs me almost more than anything else I've read today.

Join the club.

[DaeDae]

If the woman that Udoka slept with is really the wife of another executive within the organization, then yeah, that's really dirty and disrespectful to the organization. It's not something that can just be brushed aside.

It can easily be explained or justified if one or both are in the lifestyle. It may be shocking to vanillas, so it makes sense that the employer may overreact.

People in the lifestyle aren’t reckless enough to allow this kind of stuff to reach their employers usually.

[Dubnation]

If the woman that Udoka slept with is really the wife of another executive within the organization, then yeah, that's really dirty and disrespectful to the organization. It's not something that can just be brushed aside.

It can easily be explained or justified if one or both are in the lifestyle. It may be shocking to vanillas, so it makes sense that the employer may overreact.

People in the lifestyle aren’t reckless enough to allow this kind of stuff to reach their employers usually.

You're right for the most part, in the beginning. Like many people, the longer they're in it, the more lax they get in covering their collective asses.

[AbeVigodaLive]

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Boston has long been considered one of the most racist cities in the North. No one is using what the rest of the league does as a basis for what Boston does because Boston has never used the rest of the league as a benchmark for what they did both on and off the court. That organization has ignored the plight of Black people to this day, so how they chose THIS as the line to draw in the sand is probably being driven at least in part by the fact that Ime is Black. How much would you bet that the woman's husband had some sort of racial animus regarding this situation?

Again, the lack of white examples doesn't mean they don't exist. It just means they're more likely to be protected.

I dig me some basketball history.

I've long heard stories about the city itself... but can you share stories of how the Celtics have ignored the plight of black people, especially when compared to the rest of the league?

[CS707]

I dunno man. You spend a good portion of your awake adult life at work. These types of things are bound to happen.