Luka AD trade thread Part II

[ReddoverKobe]

How the **** do you not make more than 1 maybe 2 calls of a billion dollar company selling its biggest asset? Absolute incompetence.

Is Nico lazy or just **** stupid? How do you not even get a 2nd pick or pick swaps?

It just make zero sense. Dude should be fired this second.

[jokeboy86]

So I have a few questions:

1) Why did AD waive his trade kicker? That seems to indicate he'd rather play in Dallas?

AD wanting to play for Dallas doesn't surprise me because it seems like eventually guys who play with Lebron eventually become exhausted because of everything involved and don't mind moving on. They always remain cool with Lebron personally but it probably becomes draining and add to the fact that AD played for the Yankees/Cowboys of the NBA and the fact that every single season you don't win a title you'll be crucified by local/national fans and media, he may be a little relieved.

This is one reason why it's still not a given that Luka signs long term with the Lakers. Being the top player on the NYY/Cowboys/LAL means you're dealing with fans/media with unrealistic expectations and more pressure than any other athletes. Whose to say every athlete wants that and in the case of the Lakers and their current s*** show management who basically stumble into getting good players by no accord of their own, I actually could see them screwing this up and not knowing how to build a contender around Luka. Phil Jackson isn't walking through that door. Jerry West isn't walking through that door. Pat Riley isn't walking through that door. You know who is? Jeannie Buss, her cronies, and a guy known for being Kobe Bryant's best friend/agent.

[jokeboy86]

sources tell me both billy king and isiah thomas texted nico "yo, wtf you doing?"

They're giving each other high fives like MBS & Putin right now because they now might never be mentioned for doing the worst trades of all time.

[Synciere]

If the Mavs really liked AD and wanted to move on from Luka they could’ve gotten much more in the deal. AD is a top 10 player when healthy and on top of his game, but Luka is 25 years old and a top 1-2 player when healthy and on top of his game. If the Mavs wanted to do this trade they easily could’ve gotten a few draft picks and other add ons, a 1 for 1 swap is baffling. This trade makes no sense especially considering they’re coming off a great playoffs while reaching the finals, adding Klay a lot of analysts were picking Dallas to win it this year before this trade. AD has some huge shoes to fill, pressure is on, apparently Dallas isn’t done and is still looking to add. Big shake up in Big D.

That makes this deal just right value wise.

The problem people are having is that when you are a franchise player who gets traded they’re used to there being a lot of STUFF, but never another stuff in the middle of their prime. There has never been two All NBA players from the previous season traded for each other. That means no matter what you think of Luka, AD is not that far behind him. They are closer in value than you are admitting to yourself.

If AD had been out on the market by himself, people would absolutely be expecting the Lakers to come out with five first round picks plus some young talent because that’s the standard acceptable return. By trading for AD, the Mavs are forgoing all of that in place of taking AD. You can’t have it both ways. If you want the picks galore package then you get a substantially worse player. By all accounts the inclusion of Christie, who’s actually a really, really good 3-D player on a great deal and a first round pick makes this an absolutely fair trade.

Fans just want to win the assets championship or something. F*** them picks!

[jbsays]

People are acting like AD is a scrub. He's still a top 10 player and maybe 4th best big.

I agree Mavs should have gotten more picks. But, player wise AD is about as good as you get for Luka because I don't think teams would trade Jokic, SGA, or Giannis. Then again who thought Mavs would trade Luka.

The thing is I don't think they needed to trade Luka if they wanted AD. A package centered around Kyrie, Hardy and Lively would have gotten it done.

I think that makes more sense for Mavs. The entire thing is confusing, but man has it got people talking.

[ArksNetsSince99]

If the Mavs really liked AD and wanted to move on from Luka they could’ve gotten much more in the deal. AD is a top 10 player when healthy and on top of his game, but Luka is 25 years old and a top 1-2 player when healthy and on top of his game. If the Mavs wanted to do this trade they easily could’ve gotten a few draft picks and other add ons, a 1 for 1 swap is baffling. This trade makes no sense especially considering they’re coming off a great playoffs while reaching the finals, adding Klay a lot of analysts were picking Dallas to win it this year before this trade. AD has some huge shoes to fill, pressure is on, apparently Dallas isn’t done and is still looking to add. Big shake up in Big D.

That makes this deal just right value wise.

The problem people are having is that when you are a franchise player who gets traded they’re used to there being a lot of STUFF, but never another stuff in the middle of their prime. There has never been two All NBA players from the previous season traded for each other. That means no matter what you think of Luka, AD is not that far behind him. They are closer in value than you are admitting to yourself.

If AD had been out on the market by himself, people would absolutely be expecting the Lakers to come out with five first round picks plus some young talent because that’s the standard acceptable return. By trading for AD, the Mavs are forgoing all of that in place of taking AD. You can’t have it both ways. If you want the picks galore package then you get a substantially worse player. By all accounts the inclusion of Christie, who’s actually a really, really good 3-D player on a great deal and a first round pick makes this an absolutely fair trade.

Fans just want to win the assets championship or something. F*** them picks!

Is this you Nico ?

[Castle Black]

Mavs fans are going through it.

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[Bologna Smasher]

I'm wondering who the other team was that the Mavs contacted. I'm going to assume it was the Bucks for Giannis based on what Nico said he was looking for.

If you were Milwaukee, would you have made that trade?

[jbsays]

What's everyone's thoughts on Lebron mentoring Luka. Say what you will about Lebron, but the guy puts in a ton of effort to stay in shape. Think any of this will rub off on Luka?

Also, I feel sorry for the refs who will now have to deal with both of them on the same time. The complaining for whistles will be non-stop.

[Ballerhogger]

I'm wondering who the other team was that the Mavs contacted. I'm going to assume it was the Bucks for Giannis based on what Nico said he was looking for.

If you were Milwaukee, would you have made that trade?

So that would never happen . Anyways Luka can’t get super duper max

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[jbsays]

If the Mavs really liked AD and wanted to move on from Luka they could’ve gotten much more in the deal. AD is a top 10 player when healthy and on top of his game, but Luka is 25 years old and a top 1-2 player when healthy and on top of his game. If the Mavs wanted to do this trade they easily could’ve gotten a few draft picks and other add ons, a 1 for 1 swap is baffling. This trade makes no sense especially considering they’re coming off a great playoffs while reaching the finals, adding Klay a lot of analysts were picking Dallas to win it this year before this trade. AD has some huge shoes to fill, pressure is on, apparently Dallas isn’t done and is still looking to add. Big shake up in Big D.

That makes this deal just right value wise.

The problem people are having is that when you are a franchise player who gets traded they’re used to there being a lot of STUFF, but never another stuff in the middle of their prime. There has never been two All NBA players from the previous season traded for each other. That means no matter what you think of Luka, AD is not that far behind him. They are closer in value than you are admitting to yourself.

If AD had been out on the market by himself, people would absolutely be expecting the Lakers to come out with five first round picks plus some young talent because that’s the standard acceptable return. By trading for AD, the Mavs are forgoing all of that in place of taking AD. You can’t have it both ways. If you want the picks galore package then you get a substantially worse player. By all accounts the inclusion of Christie, who’s actually a really, really good 3-D player on a great deal and a first round pick makes this an absolutely fair trade.

Fans just want to win the assets championship or something. F*** them picks!

I'm in the minority, but I agree with you. Would you want 1-2 overpaid guys who won't really help and 4-5 picks or a guy who is a top 3-4 big in the league and you can plug in right now who keeps you in championship contention? Mavs went with the second option.

I do think they could have got another pick. I'm also not sure how you don't open up bidding so you get the best offer possible.

[Ballerhogger]

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[Synciere]

So I have a few questions:

1) Why did AD waive his trade kicker? That seems to indicate he'd rather play in Dallas?
2) Was this trade made because the GM was simply annoyed that Luka wasn't listening to him about staying in shape?
3) Why not let the entire league make offers? Was the GM afraid of it leaking and Luka derailing trade talks?

It’s been five years since they’ve won the championship. Lebron is closer to the end of his career. The Lakers aren’t a championship team anymore. When Lebron leaves, what’s left? He’s playing as a center when he doesn’t want to.

Dallas has a younger sidekick in Kyrie. They have no state tax, probably saving him a mill or two on the 41 home games played in the state of Texas. They have a few bigs, along with a bonafide center who’s a stud in Lively.

Say the entire league can make offers, now you have to listen to fans who think you have to walk away with five first rounders in order to validate any deal. And name one player who would be included in a deal that’s worth more than/better than AD? Every other team would be keeping their All NBA players and hoping to pair them with Luka to create the next dynasty. Would OKC include Shai? Would Cleveland include Spida? Maybe they say take Mobley but does Mobley turn Dallas into a championship team? Does Boston mess with their championship chemistry? They just beat the Mavs! Dallas wouldn’t want any point guard bc they already have Kyrie, sooooo who are you getting half as good as AD?

[Mister Ze]

4) can a gm legally make a trade without owner sign-offs? like the only reason I'm not on the Nico is an idiot bandwagon is that he wouldn't have a job right now otherwise

Seems pretty clear the main reason was ownership didn't want to pay Luka that money.

I can understand this but then why not acquire a treasure chest of picks from Utah or OKC along with prospects on cheap deals? They could still remain relatively competitive. Or even trade for a young prospect like Garland or LaMelo.

Doing this for a 32 year old is suspiciously bad.

[Bologna Smasher]

What's everyone's thoughts on Lebron mentoring Luka. Say what you will about Lebron, but the guy puts in a ton of effort to stay in shape. Think any of this will rub off on Luka?

Also, I feel sorry for the refs who will now have to deal with both of them on the same time. The complaining for whistles will be non-stop.

This is one of the things I was thinking about. If anyone can fix the question marks the Mavs had about Luka, LeBron would be the one to help him do it. Considering how competitive Luka is, all this is going to do is drive him to prove the Mavs wrong.

[Ballerhogger]

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Going be good match . Getting play with your idol it would be like MJ and Kobe playing together

[Archx]

From Mike Curtis.

Naji Marshall just told me he hasn’t spoken directly to Luka Doncic yet, but he said the former Mavs superstar texted the team’s group chat & said: “Thanks for everything.”

Marshall: “I was surprised like everyone else. Very good dude. Good teammate. I look forward to playing him again.”

Asked Jason Kidd about Kyrie Irving's reaction to the Luka Doncic trade:

"I think he's shocked, but understand he's been in this league & has seen different things, so understanding we have to push forward. He probably saw things differently & I'm speaking from my point of view. At some point, you guys will ask him the questions & I know he'll give you guys the answers that you're looking for."

[Synciere]

If the Mavs really liked AD and wanted to move on from Luka they could’ve gotten much more in the deal. AD is a top 10 player when healthy and on top of his game, but Luka is 25 years old and a top 1-2 player when healthy and on top of his game. If the Mavs wanted to do this trade they easily could’ve gotten a few draft picks and other add ons, a 1 for 1 swap is baffling. This trade makes no sense especially considering they’re coming off a great playoffs while reaching the finals, adding Klay a lot of analysts were picking Dallas to win it this year before this trade. AD has some huge shoes to fill, pressure is on, apparently Dallas isn’t done and is still looking to add. Big shake up in Big D.

That makes this deal just right value wise.

The problem people are having is that when you are a franchise player who gets traded they’re used to there being a lot of STUFF, but never another stuff in the middle of their prime. There has never been two All NBA players from the previous season traded for each other. That means no matter what you think of Luka, AD is not that far behind him. They are closer in value than you are admitting to yourself.

If AD had been out on the market by himself, people would absolutely be expecting the Lakers to come out with five first round picks plus some young talent because that’s the standard acceptable return. By trading for AD, the Mavs are forgoing all of that in place of taking AD. You can’t have it both ways. If you want the picks galore package then you get a substantially worse player. By all accounts the inclusion of Christie, who’s actually a really, really good 3-D player on a great deal and a first round pick makes this an absolutely fair trade.

Fans just want to win the assets championship or something. F*** them picks!

I'm in the minority, but I agree with you. Would you want 1-2 overpaid guys who won't really help and 4-5 picks or a guy who is a top 3-4 big in the league and you can plug in right now who keeps you in championship contention? Mavs went with the second option.

I do think they could have got another pick. I'm also not sure how you don't open up bidding so you get the best offer possible.

Yeah they maybe should’ve fought harder for another pick, even with protections bc they’re obviously trying to win now, so having those picks could help return another good player who could help win, but I think highly enough of AD that as a Laker executive I would’ve stood on business regarding his value also.

[levon]

4) can a gm legally make a trade without owner sign-offs? like the only reason I'm not on the Nico is an idiot bandwagon is that he wouldn't have a job right now otherwise

Seems pretty clear the main reason was ownership didn't want to pay Luka that money.

I can understand this but then why not acquire a treasure chest of picks from Utah or OKC along with prospects on cheap deals? They could still remain relatively competitive. Or even trade for a young prospect like Garland or LaMelo.

Doing this for a 32 year old is suspiciously bad.

Because they got the directive from ownership that they want to compete now. Nico is the lightning rod and is probably compensated accordingly.

[Ballerhogger]

4) can a gm legally make a trade without owner sign-offs? like the only reason I'm not on the Nico is an idiot bandwagon is that he wouldn't have a job right now otherwise

Seems pretty clear the main reason was ownership didn't want to pay Luka that money.

I can understand this but then why not acquire a treasure chest of picks from Utah or OKC along with prospects on cheap deals? They could still remain relatively competitive. Or even trade for a young prospect like Garland or LaMelo.

Doing this for a 32 year old is suspiciously bad.

they beleive they can still win with Irving and ad with some decent back ups