2024-25 NBA MVP Discussion Thread (Pt. 4: Who is the MVP?)

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Who gets your vote for the 2024-25 NBA MVP award?

Nikola Jokic
139
50%
Shai Gilgeous-Alexander
104
38%
Giannis Antetokounmpo
20
7%
Jayson Tatum
5
2%
Donovan Mitchell
0
No votes
Steph Curry
5
2%
LeBron James
3
1%
Cade Cunningham
0
No votes
Anthony Edwards
0
No votes
Other (Wemby, KAT, Brunson, AD, Durant, Trae, JJJ, Sengun, Sabonis, etc. - poll is limited to 10 options)
1
0%
 
Total votes: 277

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Post#521 » by Andri » Mon Mar 24, 2025 12:38 pm

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Andri wrote:
I am completely aware of the context, as many teams don’t have their full roster available, nor they will have during the title run.

Also, I specifically said this year PO’s, as opposed to last year because I do believe because his consolidation as top3 player, he will face even more challenging coverages and plans, more in the line like Luka or Jokic in the past.

Again, time will time, don’t feel triggered


I don't feel like you're aware of the context, if you were, you would have noted as such during your evaluation of the game.

The 2nd paragraph is a legitimate one here, but again, saying this after a game without his top 2 options is wild.

Assuming Kawhi is the best player of the Clippers when healthy, I wouldn't make a statement about his postseason performance expectation if Harden and Zubac were both out during this game.

Many teams don't have their full roster available come postseason, but if a top 3 player misses his second and third option, there would be no title run for said player. That is unprecedented in NBA history, as far as I know, but I'd love to hear some contrary examples here.


Yeah, whatever. See you in a couple of months
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Re: 2024-25 NBA MVP Discussion Thread (Pt. 4: Who is the MVP?) 

Post#522 » by lethalizer » Mon Mar 24, 2025 12:41 pm

Andri wrote:Yeah, whatever. See you in a couple of months


Yeah, that's what I figured you'd reply with.
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Re: 2024-25 NBA MVP Discussion Thread (Pt. 4: Who is the MVP?) 

Post#523 » by Cubbies2120 » Mon Mar 24, 2025 12:57 pm

lethalizer wrote:
Andri wrote:
I am completely aware of the context, as many teams don’t have their full roster available, nor they will have during the title run.

Also, I specifically said this year PO’s, as opposed to last year because I do believe because his consolidation as top3 player, he will face even more challenging coverages and plans, more in the line like Luka or Jokic in the past.

Again, time will time, don’t feel triggered


I don't feel like you're aware of the context, if you were, you would have noted as such during your evaluation of the game.

The 2nd paragraph is a legitimate one here, but again, saying this after a game without his top 2 options is wild.



WDYM? He needs to go a full season (sorry, I guess MPJ played 10 games...) without his top 2 options, and be expected to beat the future Champs...without his top 2 options.

If he fails to do that, he's not MVP. At least, that's what the Embiid fans were saying about Jokic after he lost to the future champs (Warriors) without Murray, MPJ...the season after going through the playoffs w/o Murray.

Being able to go 7 of 29 (!!) without #2 / #3 and still get a W speaks to the level of his supporting cast.
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Re: 2024-25 NBA MVP Discussion Thread (Pt. 4: Who is the MVP?) 

Post#524 » by SpurNani » Mon Mar 24, 2025 3:42 pm

Cubbies2120 wrote:
lethalizer wrote:
Andri wrote:
I am completely aware of the context, as many teams don’t have their full roster available, nor they will have during the title run.

Also, I specifically said this year PO’s, as opposed to last year because I do believe because his consolidation as top3 player, he will face even more challenging coverages and plans, more in the line like Luka or Jokic in the past.

Again, time will time, don’t feel triggered


I don't feel like you're aware of the context, if you were, you would have noted as such during your evaluation of the game.

The 2nd paragraph is a legitimate one here, but again, saying this after a game without his top 2 options is wild.



WDYM? He needs to go a full season (sorry, I guess MPJ played 10 games...) without his top 2 options, and be expected to beat the future Champs...without his top 2 options.

If he fails to do that, he's not MVP. At least, that's what the Embiid fans were saying about Jokic after he lost to the future champs (Warriors) without Murray, MPJ...the season after going through the playoffs w/o Murray.

Being able to go 7 of 29 (!!) without #2 / #3 and still get a W speaks to the level of his supporting cast.


It also speaks to him not just being an offense only player and being able to impact a game with his defense when his jumpshot isn't falling.

That was a gritty ugly game, i saw SGA hit the floor multiple times with Dunn all over him. Still had a big block late in the game and a big time deflection while in the post guarding Zubac.

I know some other MVP candidates who don't even contest shots late in the game..
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Re: 2024-25 NBA MVP Discussion Thread (Pt. 4: Who is the MVP?) 

Post#525 » by Andri » Mon Mar 24, 2025 3:44 pm

lethalizer wrote:
Andri wrote:Yeah, whatever. See you in a couple of months


Yeah, that's what I figured you'd reply with.


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Re: 2024-25 NBA MVP Discussion Thread (Pt. 4: Who is the MVP?) 

Post#526 » by Cubbies2120 » Mon Mar 24, 2025 8:04 pm

SpurNani wrote:I know some other MVP candidates who don't even contest shots late in the game..


Who are you referring to?



Nuggets are routinely top 5 clutch defense (#2 last year, #3 year prior) with Jokic, MPJ and Murray, all of whom are considered by the 'educated masses' as negative defenders...

Yet when the stakes are highest and the game is on the line, they turn it up.

This year the Nuggets are #2 net rating in the clutch (behind only the Cavs).
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Re: 2024-25 NBA MVP Discussion Thread (Pt. 4: Who is the MVP?) 

Post#527 » by RRR3 » Mon Mar 24, 2025 8:08 pm

Stop trying to convince people Jokic is a good defender it’s embarrassing. We all have seen him play.
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Re: 2024-25 NBA MVP Discussion Thread (Pt. 4: Who is the MVP?) 

Post#528 » by SpurNani » Mon Mar 24, 2025 8:31 pm

Cubbies2120 wrote:
SpurNani wrote:I know some other MVP candidates who don't even contest shots late in the game..


Who are you referring to?



Nuggets are routinely top 5 clutch defense (#2 last year, #3 year prior) with Jokic, MPJ and Murray, all of whom are considered by the 'educated masses' as negative defenders...

Yet when the stakes are highest and the game is on the line, they turn it up.

This year the Nuggets are #2 net rating in the clutch (behind only the Cavs).


Did you really post a clip from covid era with no fans in the stands? Lol

Im sure i could find some obscure stat stating that Dak Prescott is the leagues clutchest QB ever, but real fans who watch the game know thats false. I dont give a damn about your stats. Jokic is a bad defensive player.
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Re: 2024-25 NBA MVP Discussion Thread (Pt. 4: Who is the MVP?) 

Post#529 » by RB34 » Mon Mar 24, 2025 10:01 pm

RRR3 wrote:Stop trying to convince people Jokic is a good defender it’s embarrassing. We all have seen him play.


I’m sure a lot posters in here and on social media don’t even watch games.
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Re: 2024-25 NBA MVP Discussion Thread (Pt. 4: Who is the MVP?) 

Post#530 » by Cubbies2120 » Tue Mar 25, 2025 12:34 am

SpurNani wrote:
Cubbies2120 wrote:
SpurNani wrote:I know some other MVP candidates who don't even contest shots late in the game..


Who are you referring to?



Nuggets are routinely top 5 clutch defense (#2 last year, #3 year prior) with Jokic, MPJ and Murray, all of whom are considered by the 'educated masses' as negative defenders...

Yet when the stakes are highest and the game is on the line, they turn it up.

This year the Nuggets are #2 net rating in the clutch (behind only the Cavs).


Did you really post a clip from covid era with no fans in the stands? Lol

Im sure i could find some obscure stat stating that Dak Prescott is the leagues clutchest QB ever, but real fans who watch the game know thats false. I dont give a damn about your stats. Jokic is a bad defensive player.


I posted two separate clips, one which contained 3 game winning blocks in the same season...

So much for your little "I know some other MVP candidates who don't even contest shots late in the game", some kids can't handle being proven wrong and are too proud to acknowledge it...
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Re: 2024-25 NBA MVP Discussion Thread (Pt. 4: Who is the MVP?) 

Post#531 » by One Last Shot » Tue Mar 25, 2025 12:39 am

SpurNani wrote:
Cubbies2120 wrote:
lethalizer wrote:
I don't feel like you're aware of the context, if you were, you would have noted as such during your evaluation of the game.

The 2nd paragraph is a legitimate one here, but again, saying this after a game without his top 2 options is wild.



WDYM? He needs to go a full season (sorry, I guess MPJ played 10 games...) without his top 2 options, and be expected to beat the future Champs...without his top 2 options.

If he fails to do that, he's not MVP. At least, that's what the Embiid fans were saying about Jokic after he lost to the future champs (Warriors) without Murray, MPJ...the season after going through the playoffs w/o Murray.

Being able to go 7 of 29 (!!) without #2 / #3 and still get a W speaks to the level of his supporting cast.


It also speaks to him not just being an offense only player and being able to impact a game with his defense when his jumpshot isn't falling.

That was a gritty ugly game, i saw SGA hit the floor multiple times with Dunn all over him. Still had a big block late in the game and a big time deflection while in the post guarding Zubac.

I know some other MVP candidates who don't even contest shots late in the game..


What? Is this a big time deflection to you? :lol:

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Re: 2024-25 NBA MVP Discussion Thread (Pt. 4: Who is the MVP?) 

Post#532 » by Cubbies2120 » Tue Mar 25, 2025 12:42 am

RRR3 wrote:Stop trying to convince people Jokic is a good defender it’s embarrassing. We all have seen him play.


How do you explain, consistently, the Nuggets (with MPJ, Murray, and Jokic, all "not good defenders") putting the clamps on teams in the clutch?

Is Aaron Gordan the GOAT defender who carries those 3? I'd love to hear your explanation because it's a theme for 3 years now...

Jokic is consistently near the top of the league in deflections, and this year in steals...

You can say he's not a great defender, you cannot say he's a bad defender...
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Re: 2024-25 NBA MVP Discussion Thread (Pt. 4: Who is the MVP?) 

Post#533 » by Cubbies2120 » Tue Mar 25, 2025 12:43 am

One Last Shot wrote:
SpurNani wrote:
Cubbies2120 wrote:
WDYM? He needs to go a full season (sorry, I guess MPJ played 10 games...) without his top 2 options, and be expected to beat the future Champs...without his top 2 options.

If he fails to do that, he's not MVP. At least, that's what the Embiid fans were saying about Jokic after he lost to the future champs (Warriors) without Murray, MPJ...the season after going through the playoffs w/o Murray.

Being able to go 7 of 29 (!!) without #2 / #3 and still get a W speaks to the level of his supporting cast.


It also speaks to him not just being an offense only player and being able to impact a game with his defense when his jumpshot isn't falling.

That was a gritty ugly game, i saw SGA hit the floor multiple times with Dunn all over him. Still had a big block late in the game and a big time deflection while in the post guarding Zubac.

I know some other MVP candidates who don't even contest shots late in the game..


What? Is this a big time deflection to you? :lol:

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Funnily enough, SGA gets yet another benefit from the refs, this time on the other end, during a 7/29 legendarily horrific shooting performance...

https://www.si.com/nba/clippers/news/nba-admits-massive-missed-call-in-clippers-vs-okc-thunder-01jq4zpfejwe
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Re: 2024-25 NBA MVP Discussion Thread (Pt. 4: Who is the MVP?) 

Post#534 » by GeorgeMarcus » Tue Mar 25, 2025 12:48 am

Cubbies2120 wrote:
One Last Shot wrote:
SpurNani wrote:
It also speaks to him not just being an offense only player and being able to impact a game with his defense when his jumpshot isn't falling.

That was a gritty ugly game, i saw SGA hit the floor multiple times with Dunn all over him. Still had a big block late in the game and a big time deflection while in the post guarding Zubac.

I know some other MVP candidates who don't even contest shots late in the game..


What? Is this a big time deflection to you? :lol:

Read on Twitter


Funnily enough, SGA gets yet another benefit from the refs, this time on the other end, during a 7/29 legendarily horrific shooting performance...

https://www.si.com/nba/clippers/news/nba-admits-massive-missed-call-in-clippers-vs-okc-thunder-01jq4zpfejwe


Last year Jokic went 9/32 against the Clips but, unlike SGA's 11/11, Jokic was only 2/2 from the line. Less efficient than a game you just called legendarily horrific shooting, which must make it even more horrifically legendary
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Re: 2024-25 NBA MVP Discussion Thread (Pt. 4: Who is the MVP?) 

Post#535 » by RRR3 » Tue Mar 25, 2025 1:28 am

Cubbies2120 wrote:
RRR3 wrote:Stop trying to convince people Jokic is a good defender it’s embarrassing. We all have seen him play.


How do you explain, consistently, the Nuggets (with MPJ, Murray, and Jokic, all "not good defenders") putting the clamps on teams in the clutch?

Is Aaron Gordan the GOAT defender who carries those 3? I'd love to hear your explanation because it's a theme for 3 years now...

Jokic is consistently near the top of the league in deflections, and this year in steals...

You can say he's not a great defender, you cannot say he's a bad defender...

The Nuggets are the 22nd ranked defensive team. :crazy:
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Post#536 » by scrabbarista » Tue Mar 25, 2025 6:17 am

I still have SGA ahead, but if I had to guess, I'll have Jokic on top at the end of the season; not if he continues to miss games while SGA plays, obviously.
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Re: 2024-25 NBA MVP Discussion Thread (Pt. 4: Who is the MVP?) 

Post#537 » by lethalizer » Tue Mar 25, 2025 7:11 am

Fanduel has SGA at -2000 as of now. Yeah, this race is done.

Shai Gilgeous-Alexander is the MVP of the 2024-2025 season.

Hopefully, as a team we can break the MVP curse come playoff time..
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Post#538 » by hardenASG13 » Tue Mar 25, 2025 12:11 pm

Cubbies2120 wrote:
SpurNani wrote:
Cubbies2120 wrote:
Who are you referring to?



Nuggets are routinely top 5 clutch defense (#2 last year, #3 year prior) with Jokic, MPJ and Murray, all of whom are considered by the 'educated masses' as negative defenders...

Yet when the stakes are highest and the game is on the line, they turn it up.

This year the Nuggets are #2 net rating in the clutch (behind only the Cavs).


Did you really post a clip from covid era with no fans in the stands? Lol

Im sure i could find some obscure stat stating that Dak Prescott is the leagues clutchest QB ever, but real fans who watch the game know thats false. I dont give a damn about your stats. Jokic is a bad defensive player.


I posted two separate clips, one which contained 3 game winning blocks in the same season...

So much for your little "I know some other MVP candidates who don't even contest shots late in the game", some kids can't handle being proven wrong and are too proud to acknowledge it...


Is this why you disappeared for about a year after Denver lost to Minnesota after talking so much crap and hurling insults at anyone who questioned denvers 23 title, and suggested they'd lose vs the first decent team they played (minnesota)?
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Post#539 » by brackdan70 » Tue Mar 25, 2025 12:21 pm

Welp with OKC no longer playing meaningful games, I think the race is over. I change my vote to SGA. It’s close though if Jokic won I wouldn’t complain.
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Re: 2024-25 NBA MVP Discussion Thread (Pt. 4: Who is the MVP?) 

Post#540 » by Cubbies2120 » Tue Mar 25, 2025 12:43 pm

hardenASG13 wrote:
Cubbies2120 wrote:
SpurNani wrote:
Did you really post a clip from covid era with no fans in the stands? Lol

Im sure i could find some obscure stat stating that Dak Prescott is the leagues clutchest QB ever, but real fans who watch the game know thats false. I dont give a damn about your stats. Jokic is a bad defensive player.


I posted two separate clips, one which contained 3 game winning blocks in the same season...

So much for your little "I know some other MVP candidates who don't even contest shots late in the game", some kids can't handle being proven wrong and are too proud to acknowledge it...


Is this why you disappeared for about a year after Denver lost to Minnesota after talking so much crap and hurling insults at anyone who questioned denvers 23 title, and suggested they'd lose vs the first decent team they played (minnesota)?


Nope, I was banned because a certain poster kept reporting me because he couldn't handle my thoughts on another MVP candidate (SOFT) :D
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