Shams: New York Knicks Fire Head Coach Tom Thibodeau

[knicksfan974]

nyk just rewarded a winning coach who got them to the semis BY FIRING HIM

they will not get a coach on their A-list. they will get an asst who desires to be hc, a hard up ex who wants to get back into it, or some other 6th choice on their list..........just NOT a first choice

their best chance is jenkins or malone if either cares

The team was good enough to get to the semis with a mediocre coach, but for the championship you need a really good coach, and that's why Thibs is not with the team anymore. Those who laugh at Thibs getting fired while the team got to the semis have not been following either the Knicks or how Thibs used to coach them very closely. Those who have watched know exactly why he was fired, no matter what result the team was able to achieve.

[Klomp]

I don't get why they are so keen on Jason Kidd to replace Thibs especially as they will have to give up future picks to Dallas if they want the Mavs to release him.

Typical short sighted madness from Dolan

It's looking like smoke from the Kidd camp (and possibly some from us as an agent favor) to bolster his position in Dallas. He's just hired two fairly high profile assistants down there. He's not likely going anywhere.

I've learned my lesson the last few days and am taking everything with a fat grain of salt.

Then how do you explain the new Udoka and Finch report? Clearly they are looking at current head coaches, so it's not like the idea is completely fabricated.

[doogie_hauser]

I don't get why they are so keen on Jason Kidd to replace Thibs especially as they will have to give up future picks to Dallas if they want the Mavs to release him.

Typical short sighted madness from Dolan

It's looking like smoke from the Kidd camp (and possibly some from us as an agent favor) to bolster his position in Dallas. He's just hired two fairly high profile assistants down there. He's not likely going anywhere.

I've learned my lesson the last few days and am taking everything with a fat grain of salt.

Then how do you explain the new Udoka and Finch report? Clearly they are looking at current head coaches, so it's not like the idea is completely fabricated.

Was a theory I read on the Knicks board where some suggested they are targeting Kidd as a means to get Giannis across in a trade.

I don't recall exactly what went down in Milwaukee but I always felt Giannis didn't like Kidd as coach and played a part in his firing.

Also he left the Knicks coaching job originally to take up the Bucks gig.

Got no idea why NYK want him back (unless as Capn'O suggests its part of a move from the Kidd camp to get a better contract from the Mavs which seems very plausible)

[Lalouie]

nyk just rewarded a winning coach who got them to the semis BY FIRING HIM

they will not get a coach on their A-list. they will get an asst who desires to be hc, a hard up ex who wants to get back into it, or some other 6th choice on their list..........just NOT a first choice

their best chance is jenkins or malone if either cares

The team was good enough to get to the semis with a mediocre coach, but for the championship you need a really good coach, and that's why Thibs is not with the team anymore. Those who laugh at Thibs getting fired while the team got to the semis have not been following either the Knicks or how Thibs used to coach them very closely. Those who have watched know exactly why he was fired, no matter what result the team was able to achieve.

yes. i think thibs has a ceiling. he's good at what he's done on the three teams

however everyone was surprised. i mean there was a REASON for firing malone, but the optics is "nyk fired a coach who got them into the semis". nyk was an embarrassment and thibs literaly DOUBLED their wins and has maintained. the firing is not a good look - look at where they were and looked at what they are NOW

to me, thibs made everyone forget about dolan

[Capn'O]

I don't get why they are so keen on Jason Kidd to replace Thibs especially as they will have to give up future picks to Dallas if they want the Mavs to release him.

Typical short sighted madness from Dolan

It's looking like smoke from the Kidd camp (and possibly some from us as an agent favor) to bolster his position in Dallas. He's just hired two fairly high profile assistants down there. He's not likely going anywhere.

I've learned my lesson the last few days and am taking everything with a fat grain of salt.

Agreed but I don't think it's encouraging to read that the Knicks and Dolan is looking for another experienced/retread coach.

Are say Vogel, Bud or Malone that much different to Thibs ?

Johnnie Bryant or my boy Sam Cassell are crying out for a senior coaching gig.

I thought Leon Rose has carte Blanche on all front office decisions, seems like James Dolan is back to meddling and I genuinely feel bad for Knicks fans if this is the case.

This is all a slow play to Cassell

[Capn'O]

I don't get why they are so keen on Jason Kidd to replace Thibs especially as they will have to give up future picks to Dallas if they want the Mavs to release him.

Typical short sighted madness from Dolan

It's looking like smoke from the Kidd camp (and possibly some from us as an agent favor) to bolster his position in Dallas. He's just hired two fairly high profile assistants down there. He's not likely going anywhere.

I've learned my lesson the last few days and am taking everything with a fat grain of salt.

Then how do you explain the new Udoka and Finch report? Clearly they are looking at current head coaches, so it's not like the idea is completely fabricated.

We've definitely asked about those two. Apparently, we never officially asked the Mavs for permission. I'm not saying we haven't shopped where they said we shopped. I'm just not convinced of the prioritization/motives.

[Capn'O]

It's looking like smoke from the Kidd camp (and possibly some from us as an agent favor) to bolster his position in Dallas. He's just hired two fairly high profile assistants down there. He's not likely going anywhere.

I've learned my lesson the last few days and am taking everything with a fat grain of salt.

Then how do you explain the new Udoka and Finch report? Clearly they are looking at current head coaches, so it's not like the idea is completely fabricated.

Was a theory I read on the Knicks board where some suggested they are targeting Kidd as a means to get Giannis across in a trade.

I don't recall exactly what went down in Milwaukee but I always felt Giannis didn't like Kidd as coach and played a part in his firing.

Also he left the Knicks coaching job originally to take up the Bucks gig.

Got no idea why NYK want him back (unless as Capn'O suggests its part of a move from the Kidd camp to get a better contract from the Mavs which seems very plausible)

He left the NETS for the Bucks. He played like **** in the playoffs for us so he could accept the Nets job. I think he's a snake.

[doogie_hauser]

Then how do you explain the new Udoka and Finch report? Clearly they are looking at current head coaches, so it's not like the idea is completely fabricated.

Was a theory I read on the Knicks board where some suggested they are targeting Kidd as a means to get Giannis across in a trade.

I don't recall exactly what went down in Milwaukee but I always felt Giannis didn't like Kidd as coach and played a part in his firing.

Also he left the Knicks coaching job originally to take up the Bucks gig.

Got no idea why NYK want him back (unless as Capn'O suggests its part of a move from the Kidd camp to get a better contract from the Mavs which seems very plausible)

He left the NETS for the Bucks. He played like **** in the playoffs for us so he could accept the Nets job. I think he's a snake.

Yeah I never liked him either, something really oily about him and his personality.

Knicks or another other team looking for a coach shouldn't hire someone who is carrying around a suitcase of baggage like Kidd does imo.

Granted i thought Udoka was toast after his scandal at the Celtics and would never coach again but he has done a terrific job with the Rockets so far.

I know the Knicks got burnt in the past trying rookie coaches like Hornacek but you may also get another Fizdale again in a retread..

I don't think Dolan wants to look like a fool hiring a first time coach and the Knicks fail to at least return to the East Finals though. This is where I worry about his meddling again after he was relatively meddle free throughout the Thibs era.

[Capn'O]

Was a theory I read on the Knicks board where some suggested they are targeting Kidd as a means to get Giannis across in a trade.

I don't recall exactly what went down in Milwaukee but I always felt Giannis didn't like Kidd as coach and played a part in his firing.

Also he left the Knicks coaching job originally to take up the Bucks gig.

Got no idea why NYK want him back (unless as Capn'O suggests its part of a move from the Kidd camp to get a better contract from the Mavs which seems very plausible)

He left the NETS for the Bucks. He played like **** in the playoffs for us so he could accept the Nets job. I think he's a snake.

Yeah I never liked him either, something really oily about him and his personality.

Knicks or another other team looking for a coach shouldn't hire someone who is carrying around a suitcase of baggage like Kidd does imo.

Granted i thought Udoka was toast after his scandal at the Celtics and would never coach again but he has done a terrific job with the Rockets so far.

I know the Knicks got burnt in the past trying rookie coaches like Hornacek but you may also get another Fizdale again in a retread..

I don't think Dolan wants to look like a fool hiring a first time coach and the Knicks fail to at least return to the East Finals though. This is where I worry about his meddling again after he was relatively meddle free throughout the Thibs era.

I was Dolan hater #1 for a long time but I'm not ready to cry wolf yet here. Leon just signed Thibs to a 30 million dollar extension so I don't really blame him for wanting oversight over all the inputs before he had to eat that. Also, World Wide Wes has been leading a charge to move on from Thibs for a few years now so it's unlikely Dolan appeared from nowhere to make the call.

How involved is he in the hiring process though? Hopefully not very.

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[ArksNetsSince99]

He left the NETS for the Bucks. He played like **** in the playoffs for us so he could accept the Nets job. I think he's a snake.

Yeah I never liked him either, something really oily about him and his personality.

Knicks or another other team looking for a coach shouldn't hire someone who is carrying around a suitcase of baggage like Kidd does imo.

Granted i thought Udoka was toast after his scandal at the Celtics and would never coach again but he has done a terrific job with the Rockets so far.

I know the Knicks got burnt in the past trying rookie coaches like Hornacek but you may also get another Fizdale again in a retread..

I don't think Dolan wants to look like a fool hiring a first time coach and the Knicks fail to at least return to the East Finals though. This is where I worry about his meddling again after he was relatively meddle free throughout the Thibs era.

I was Dolan hater #1 for a long time but I'm not ready to cry wolf yet here. Leon just signed Thibs to a 30 million dollar extension so I don't really blame him for wanting oversight over all the inputs before he had to eat that. Also, World Wide Wes has been leading a charge to move on from Thibs for a few years now so it's unlikely Dolan appeared from nowhere to make the call.

How involved is he in the hiring process though? Hopefully not very.

Maybe Dolan can pull Doc Rivers from the Bucks for couple of first round picks

[Slimjimzv]

Man, the Knicks sure know how to ruin a good time.

[kg01]

Man, the Knicks sure know how to ruin a good time.

Yeah this coach firing reminds me of that time I was at a bangin' party and some dude decided to do a backflip into the pool.

He turned over all the food, splashed all these fine chicks, then realized waaaay too late that he couldn't swim.

So the party basically turned into a rescue mission, so everybody went home.

That's the Knix rn.

[druggas]

Every coach has a ceiling until they win it all.

[ArksNetsSince99]

The NBA has changed a lot in the last 11 years, not sure how great of a fit he is in today's NBA.

Well, I meant best possible outcome purely from the entertainment value of the impending train wreck.

This hating the Knicks thing is wild, why are they an "impending" train wreck? We still think it's the old Knicks and not the current organization, 2 games away from the finals and with the rite coach prob get there.

This was the closest you got to the finals , this 2 games away will be stuck in Knicks fans heads for generations again , and long time after Thibs is gone Knicks fans will question this move

What IF … he stayed…. Maybe he needed just another season ….IF IF IF …. by then Knicks fans will have this beautiful dreams again , how to advance to the playoffs again , the circle

And only then 20 maybe 40 years later Thibs will be cherished and appreciated (good times )

[knicksstuff]

Knicks checking in on all the top coaches in the league, doing an extensive search turning over ever stone on the franchise biggest deicsion in long time

NBA media and fans: WHAT ARE THEY DOING? THIS IS A MESS... LOLOLKNICKS

[DwayneSchintzus]

Maybe Dolan can pull Doc Rivers from the Bucks for couple of first round picks

lmao "how about 2 firsts for Giannis?"

"Nah, but we'll give you Doc Rivers"

[ArksNetsSince99]

Maybe Dolan can pull Doc Rivers from the Bucks for couple of first round picks

lmao "how about 2 firsts for Giannis?"

"Nah, but we'll give you Doc Rivers"

[jkvonny]

Well, I meant best possible outcome purely from the entertainment value of the impending train wreck.

This hating the Knicks thing is wild, why are they an "impending" train wreck? We still think it's the old Knicks and not the current organization, 2 games away from the finals and with the rite coach prob get there.

This was the closest you got to the finals , this 2 games away will be stuck in Knicks fans heads for generations again , and long time after Thibs is gone Knicks fans will question this move

What IF … he stayed…. Maybe he needed just another season ….IF IF IF …. by then Knicks fans will have this beautiful dreams again , how to advance to the playoffs again , the circle

And only then 20 maybe 40 years later Thibs will be cherished and appreciated (good times )

Somebody say train wreck??

Choo choo!!