Rudy Gobert: Future DPOY

[atlantabbq99]

Kanter is easily better than Gobert. That is really not a surprise (but Kanter's skill sets are just redundant to Favor's)

Since Gobert's homers like advanced stats so much, you can clearly see....

Gobert PER 17.1
Kanter PER 24.5

If you swap out Gobert for Kanter, i think it improves the Jazz alittele bit, but it still doesn't push them into the playoffs because they just have too many holes and weaknesses on the team from top to bottom.

[Johnny Firpo]

Kanter is easily better than Gobert. That is really not a surprise (but Kanter's skill sets are just redundant to Favor's)

Since Gobert's homers like advanced stats so much, you can clearly see....

Gobert PER 17.1
Kanter PER 24.5

If you swap out Gobert for Kanter, i think it improves the Jazz alittele bit, but it still doesn't push them into the playoffs because they just have too many holes and weaknesses on the team from top to bottom.

You are a funny guy.

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/RPM/position/9

Gobert is the 13th most impactful center in the league based on real +- and there are several players in front of him who play a much smaller role with significantly less playing time. It's safe to say that he is top 10. Kanter? 63rd, barely a net positive on offense and naturally a massive negative on defense. His effort and understanding on the defensive schemes is simply not there, and until he vastly improves on that end he will probably not become an impact player. Too bad because he is a terrific scorer.

[aussiewill]

Haven't seen too many games of the Jazz lately, but for my fantasy team he has been pretty poor across the board (no pun intended).

[Eagle4]

This comparison looks disrespectful to Whiteside now. They aren't even in the same realm.

[Zappa012]

Kanter is easily better than Gobert. That is really not a surprise (but Kanter's skill sets are just redundant to Favor's)

Since Gobert's homers like advanced stats so much, you can clearly see....

Gobert PER 17.1
Kanter PER 24.5

If you swap out Gobert for Kanter, i think it improves the Jazz alittele bit, but it still doesn't push them into the playoffs because they just have too many holes and weaknesses on the team from top to bottom.

is not fair to use that offensive rebounds stat when Kanter is playing against 2 units.

and btw, Kanter is destroing bad second units but not good ones. I don't have a stat to support this but i watch games.

[UcanUwill]

Kanter is easily better than Gobert. That is really not a surprise (but Kanter's skill sets are just redundant to Favor's)

Since Gobert's homers like advanced stats so much, you can clearly see....

Gobert PER 17.1
Kanter PER 24.5

If you swap out Gobert for Kanter, i think it improves the Jazz alittele bit, but it still doesn't push them into the playoffs because they just have too many holes and weaknesses on the team from top to bottom.

You bring advanced stats and then show the most casual and shallow stat - PER. Please.

[Johnny Firpo]

This comparison looks disrespectful to Whiteside now. They aren't even in the same realm.

I would still take Gobert for the long run because he is significantly younger and I still think he is the better defender. He has the fifth highest DRPM in the league. Whiteside is close but not quite there.

[atlantabbq99]

Kanter is easily better than Gobert. That is really not a surprise (but Kanter's skill sets are just redundant to Favor's)

Since Gobert's homers like advanced stats so much, you can clearly see....

Gobert PER 17.1
Kanter PER 24.5

If you swap out Gobert for Kanter, i think it improves the Jazz alittele bit, but it still doesn't push them into the playoffs because they just have too many holes and weaknesses on the team from top to bottom.

You bring advanced stats and then show the most casual and shallow stat - PER. Please.

I agree. I'm not an advanced stats guys, but for some reason Jazz fans love advanced stats to validate their team (who will be lottery again this year). But if you even look at WS, Kanter does better than Gobert in WS.

I don't like advanced stats. I like eye test and film, and when i watch Gobert, he doesn't look impressive, he just looks like a gimmick player. I have watched Horford and Millsap push him around in the paint and have their way with Gobert, and then last night i watched Gobert vs the Thunder and he was just horrible offensively and inept defensively.

Either way you have it, eye test or advanced stats, it both doesn't look good.

[Eagle4]

This comparison looks disrespectful to Whiteside now. They aren't even in the same realm.

I would still take Gobert for the long run because he is significantly younger and I still think he is the better defender. He has the fifth highest DRPM in the league. Whiteside is close but not quite there.

That's nice. Funny how one has to fall back on "in the future". I'd easily take Whiteside NOW since that's where the debate began as in who would be better this season?

Other stats favor Whiteside being the better defender- Dtg(which he's top in the league at), DWS, DRB%.


Even if one wants to take one over the other it's not a great margin at all but Whiteside is definitively the better rebounder and scorer so the debate really isn't one at this very moment.

Sure Gobert will improve but this isn't exactly Whiteside's peak either, the dude increased his FT% by a 30% rate (post all-star break)in virtually half a season so implying this is a finished product of Whiteside at 26(when centers peak at around age 29-30) is silly.

[freestyler34]

Whiteside is waay better than Gobert whos the worst offensive player in the league

[Goon]

Kanter playing majority of his minutes with the bench players, anyway since you like Gobert so much can you explain why Utah had to bench him last few games and why he had worst +/- on his team last few games ?

Because it is a few games? You can do that for Kevin freakin Durant for a few games. Its Kanter's whole career.

Thanks you explained well " because Kanter " , btw maybe hes got worst +/- this whole season on the Utah starting five, wanna explain again ? wait wait i know bcuz Kanter sucks

The discussion turned into some comparisons between Gobert and Kanter and who is better, stop with this stupid responses and smilies, only makes you look more annoying.

You're the one that should bring some facts in first and fore most instead of making remarks like "because of Kanter."

Gobert is 3rd on Utah in win shares. Yes, offensively he is lacking, but makes it all up and adds some on defense. His box plus minus is +3.6 per 100 possessions, which is ... wait for it... 1st on Utah.
Another funny thing, his Ortg is 112, only Erick Green and Jeff Whitey have it higher, two players who barely step on the floor. Same goes for defense (Gobert: 100 drtg), only two guys are better in defensive rating, again both that only played 47 games combined and were on the floor 17 minutes per game (14 and 3).

You know what Kanter's box plus minus is per 100 possessions? -1.9. Pointing this out because YOU also constantly mention him in your posts. Here's an emoji for you.

Get a grip dude.

[HawaiianJazzFan]

Kanter is easily better than Gobert. That is really not a surprise (but Kanter's skill sets are just redundant to Favor's)

Since Gobert's homers like advanced stats so much, you can clearly see....

Gobert PER 17.1
Kanter PER 24.5

If you swap out Gobert for Kanter, i think it improves the Jazz alittele bit, but it still doesn't push them into the playoffs because they just have too many holes and weaknesses on the team from top to bottom.

You bring advanced stats and then show the most casual and shallow stat - PER. Please.

I agree. I'm not an advanced stats guys, but for some reason Jazz fans love advanced stats to validate their team (who will be lottery again this year). But if you even look at WS, Kanter does better than Gobert in WS.

I don't like advanced stats. I like eye test and film, and when i watch Gobert, he doesn't look impressive, he just looks like a gimmick player. I have watched Horford and Millsap push him around in the paint and have their way with Gobert, and then last night i watched Gobert vs the Thunder and he was just horrible offensively and inept defensively.

Either way you have it, eye test or advanced stats, it both doesn't look good.

Um did you forget the 12th game of the season against your Hawks where we won IN ATLANTA before Rudy was injured and Gobert had the third highest offensive rating (behind Korver and Schroeder) and the best defensive rating in the game?? He went for 11 pts, 11 rebounds, 3 blocks, 3 assists, 2 steals??? Horford was a net negative that game, and Horford does not play well against Gobert. This last game was the only game where Horford has played well against Gobert. BTW, SINCE Gobert has become the starter, Horford averages 13pts, 5 boards against Gobert shooting below 50%, so what are you talking about???

This is what you've taught me, you know one advanced stat where Kanter is better... and you've watched 3 Jazz games (both Hawks games and one Thunder game) and apparently forgot the game where we beat Atlanta in Atlanta, where Gobert was the most impactful player. Last year in the Jazz loss before he became the starter, Gobert had 11 points, 7 rebounds, 4 blocks in 20 minutes and had the highest plus/minus on any team except for Exum.

Also, Gobert last year once he became the starteragainst these same Thunder players went for 20 points, 7 rebounds, 7 blocks, 3 steals, 3 assists and Serge said this about him:

"Gobert was a machine. Serge said in the locker room that he couldn't believe some of the blocks that kid made...and that's coming from the best in the league at it. He's a wall inside."

Scott Brooks about Gobert. Russell Westbrook in particular is the player who Gobert has blocked the most out of any player on any team.

If you swap out Gobert for Kanter, i think it improves the Jazz alittele bit, but it still doesn't push them into the playoffs because they just have too many holes and weaknesses on the team from top to bottom

Hey we actually did the opposite last year where we subbed Gobert for Kanter and were the 2nd best team in net rating after the break and were by far the best defensive team after Gobert started. We are now a top 9 defensive team this year and guess who is the anchor despite missing 20 games and struggling with a knee injury. Go look and see how well Utah defended when Gobert missed 20 games, and despite that we are number 9 in the NBA in defense.

[Wonderllama]

Gobert is not as good as I thought he would be... Utah should trade him before the rest of the league realizes this and his value goes down

[freestyler34]

You bring advanced stats and then show the most casual and shallow stat - PER. Please.

I agree. I'm not an advanced stats guys, but for some reason Jazz fans love advanced stats to validate their team (who will be lottery again this year). But if you even look at WS, Kanter does better than Gobert in WS.

I don't like advanced stats. I like eye test and film, and when i watch Gobert, he doesn't look impressive, he just looks like a gimmick player. I have watched Horford and Millsap push him around in the paint and have their way with Gobert, and then last night i watched Gobert vs the Thunder and he was just horrible offensively and inept defensively.

Either way you have it, eye test or advanced stats, it both doesn't look good.

Um did you forget the 12th game of the season against your Hawks where we won IN ATLANTA before Rudy was injured and Gobert had the third highest offensive rating (behind Korver and Schroeder) and the best defensive rating in the game?? He went for 11 pts, 11 rebounds, 3 blocks, 3 assists, 2 steals??? Horford was a net negative that game, and Horford does not play well against Gobert. This last game was the only game where Horford has played well against Gobert. BTW, SINCE Gobert has become the starter, Horford averages 13pts, 5 boards against Gobert shooting below 50%, so what are you talking about???

This is what you've taught me, you know one advanced stat where Kanter is better... and you've watched 3 Jazz games (both Hawks games and one Thunder game) and apparently forgot the game where we beat Atlanta in Atlanta, where Gobert was the most impactful player. Last year in the Jazz loss before he became the starter, Gobert had 11 points, 7 rebounds, 4 blocks in 20 minutes and had the highest plus/minus on any team except for Exum.

Also, Gobert last year once he became the starteragainst these same Thunder players went for 20 points, 7 rebounds, 7 blocks, 3 steals, 3 assists and Serge said this about him:

"Gobert was a machine. Serge said in the locker room that he couldn't believe some of the blocks that kid made...and that's coming from the best in the league at it. He's a wall inside."

Scott Brooks about Gobert. Russell Westbrook in particular is the player who Gobert has blocked the most out of any player on any team.

If you swap out Gobert for Kanter, i think it improves the Jazz alittele bit, but it still doesn't push them into the playoffs because they just have too many holes and weaknesses on the team from top to bottom

Hey we actually did the opposite last year where we subbed Gobert for Kanter and were the 2nd best team in net rating after the break and were by far the best defensive team after Gobert started. We are now a top 9 defensive team this year and guess who is the anchor despite missing 20 games and struggling with a knee injury. Go look and see how well Utah defended when Gobert missed 20 games, and despite that we are number 9 in the NBA in defense.

Yea,Yea Jazz and Gobert is number 1 in every useless stat category yet Jazz is still a lottery team guess why, without Kanter this year, you are not better than last season, i love this advanced stat guys copy pasting stats to make it look like they are right

[YogurtProducer]

I agree. I'm not an advanced stats guys, but for some reason Jazz fans love advanced stats to validate their team (who will be lottery again this year). But if you even look at WS, Kanter does better than Gobert in WS.

I don't like advanced stats. I like eye test and film, and when i watch Gobert, he doesn't look impressive, he just looks like a gimmick player. I have watched Horford and Millsap push him around in the paint and have their way with Gobert, and then last night i watched Gobert vs the Thunder and he was just horrible offensively and inept defensively.

Either way you have it, eye test or advanced stats, it both doesn't look good.

Um did you forget the 12th game of the season against your Hawks where we won IN ATLANTA before Rudy was injured and Gobert had the third highest offensive rating (behind Korver and Schroeder) and the best defensive rating in the game?? He went for 11 pts, 11 rebounds, 3 blocks, 3 assists, 2 steals??? Horford was a net negative that game, and Horford does not play well against Gobert. This last game was the only game where Horford has played well against Gobert. BTW, SINCE Gobert has become the starter, Horford averages 13pts, 5 boards against Gobert shooting below 50%, so what are you talking about???

This is what you've taught me, you know one advanced stat where Kanter is better... and you've watched 3 Jazz games (both Hawks games and one Thunder game) and apparently forgot the game where we beat Atlanta in Atlanta, where Gobert was the most impactful player. Last year in the Jazz loss before he became the starter, Gobert had 11 points, 7 rebounds, 4 blocks in 20 minutes and had the highest plus/minus on any team except for Exum.

Also, Gobert last year once he became the starteragainst these same Thunder players went for 20 points, 7 rebounds, 7 blocks, 3 steals, 3 assists and Serge said this about him:

"Gobert was a machine. Serge said in the locker room that he couldn't believe some of the blocks that kid made...and that's coming from the best in the league at it. He's a wall inside."

Scott Brooks about Gobert. Russell Westbrook in particular is the player who Gobert has blocked the most out of any player on any team.

If you swap out Gobert for Kanter, i think it improves the Jazz alittele bit, but it still doesn't push them into the playoffs because they just have too many holes and weaknesses on the team from top to bottom

Hey we actually did the opposite last year where we subbed Gobert for Kanter and were the 2nd best team in net rating after the break and were by far the best defensive team after Gobert started. We are now a top 9 defensive team this year and guess who is the anchor despite missing 20 games and struggling with a knee injury. Go look and see how well Utah defended when Gobert missed 20 games, and despite that we are number 9 in the NBA in defense.

Yea,Yea Jazz and Gobert is number 1 in every useless stat category yet Jazz is still a lottery team guess why, without Kanter this year, you are not better than last season, i love this advanced stat guys copy pasting stats to make it look like they are right

Okay what? Jazz are tied for the final playoff spot in the west; not a lottery team just yet.

And Gobert has missed 20 games, and Exum the whole season. Fun fact, Jazz are 7-13 in games Gobert misses and 28-24 in games he plays. That's the difference between a 28-54 team and a 44-38 team.

This is without even diving into the advanced stats and looking at the most basic stat there is, Wins and Losses.

[F Saunders]

Kanter playing majority of his minutes with the bench players, anyway since you like Gobert so much can you explain why Utah had to bench him last few games and why he had worst +/- on his team last few games ?

Because it is a few games? You can do that for Kevin freakin Durant for a few games. Its Kanter's whole career.

Thanks you explained well " because Kanter " , btw maybe hes got worst +/- this whole season on the Utah starting five, wanna explain again ? wait wait i know bcuz Kanter sucks

Um...Rudy Gobert leads the Jazz in +/- this season.

The last two seasons the Jazz are 49-39 when he starts and 24-42 when he doesn't. Do people really think he hurts the team?

[imraged]

Yea,Yea Jazz and Gobert is number 1 in every useless stat category yet Jazz is still a lottery team guess why, without Kanter this year, you are not better than last season, i love this advanced stat guys copy pasting stats to make it look like they are right

Their winning percentage is higher this season and is even higher in games Gobert has played in at 54% which would easily be good enough to make the playoffs. Their biggest issue going forward with Gobert is keeping him healthy.

[atlantabbq99]

You bring advanced stats and then show the most casual and shallow stat - PER. Please.

I agree. I'm not an advanced stats guys, but for some reason Jazz fans love advanced stats to validate their team (who will be lottery again this year). But if you even look at WS, Kanter does better than Gobert in WS.

I don't like advanced stats. I like eye test and film, and when i watch Gobert, he doesn't look impressive, he just looks like a gimmick player. I have watched Horford and Millsap push him around in the paint and have their way with Gobert, and then last night i watched Gobert vs the Thunder and he was just horrible offensively and inept defensively.

Either way you have it, eye test or advanced stats, it both doesn't look good.

Um did you forget the 12th game of the season against your Hawks where we won IN ATLANTA before Rudy was injured and Gobert had the third highest offensive rating (behind Korver and Schroeder) and the best defensive rating in the game?? He went for 11 pts, 11 rebounds, 3 blocks, 3 assists, 2 steals??? Horford was a net negative that game, and Horford does not play well against Gobert. This last game was the only game where Horford has played well against Gobert. BTW, SINCE Gobert has become the starter, Horford averages 13pts, 5 boards against Gobert shooting below 50%, so what are you talking about???

This is what you've taught me, you know one advanced stat where Kanter is better... and you've watched 3 Jazz games (both Hawks games and one Thunder game) and apparently forgot the game where we beat Atlanta in Atlanta, where Gobert was the most impactful player. Last year in the Jazz loss before he became the starter, Gobert had 11 points, 7 rebounds, 4 blocks in 20 minutes and had the highest plus/minus on any team except for Exum.

Also, Gobert last year once he became the starteragainst these same Thunder players went for 20 points, 7 rebounds, 7 blocks, 3 steals, 3 assists and Serge said this about him:

"Gobert was a machine. Serge said in the locker room that he couldn't believe some of the blocks that kid made...and that's coming from the best in the league at it. He's a wall inside."

Scott Brooks about Gobert. Russell Westbrook in particular is the player who Gobert has blocked the most out of any player on any team.

If you swap out Gobert for Kanter, i think it improves the Jazz alittele bit, but it still doesn't push them into the playoffs because they just have too many holes and weaknesses on the team from top to bottom

Hey we actually did the opposite last year where we subbed Gobert for Kanter and were the 2nd best team in net rating after the break and were by far the best defensive team after Gobert started. We are now a top 9 defensive team this year and guess who is the anchor despite missing 20 games and struggling with a knee injury. Go look and see how well Utah defended when Gobert missed 20 games, and despite that we are number 9 in the NBA in defense.

I remember both games. Horford was able to push around Gobert all game long and Gobert's help defense on Millsap was just horrible. Gobert just looked so slow when ever he tried to come over played help defense on Sap and was late on defense most of the time. I remember both Horford and Millsap shooting 60%-70% and scoring with ease, and i also remember Gobert turning the ball over a bunch of times with some bone head plays.

Again he is a gimmick player, tall and long, he is not a defensive force but on a few plays if he is in the right spot he can be disruptive, but the problem is that he is rarely in the right spot at the right time, unlike Mutombo, Ben Wallace, or Rodman in their prime. As a gimmick player, he has limited skills and can only influence the game in limited ways, not with offense, shooting, passing, his mobility is limited and does not have elite or even good vision like Draymond Green, so he is incapable to be an anchor on defense like Green, Mutombo, or Wallace.

[Shock Defeat]

Gobert fell off...the league knows how to play against him now. Trade Gobert for a stretch 4 and play Favors at center. This is a new NBA and no offense guys like Gobert are getting exposed.

[Cappy_Smurf]

Do people really think he hurts the team?

Only the stupid ones. Lol at the Kanter Homer and the other haters who base their opinions on watching a couple games or some cherry picked stat. Rudy still impacts the game a great deal on the defensive end, even when he's struggling offensively. No stats will show when a team stops trying to score in the paint because Gobert is down there. Gotta love the experts who don't watch games.