Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread VI (Don't Read Post 1 & FAQ)

[OkcSinceSGA]

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[Neutral 123]

If you can't see the difference between factory farming which has some questionable practices from a moral and ethical perspective but is still regularly inspected by the FDA and has controls put in place to trace any comprised product back to the source and this outbreak I don't know how to have a reasonable discussion with you.

You keep focusing on product. This is not about the meat. It's not about the final product. It is largely about live animals. Viruses mutate among live animals,

creating new and deadly disease that are more likely to pass to humans through interaction with life animals or the processing. So yes, it is very unlikely that you will get some new disease from eating a properly cooked piece of meat.

You will get it from a farm where a new disease was created and spread to workers and carries across countries and the world.

In fact, it has NOT been proven or even widely accepted that this was from a bat, eating bat or whatever. It just seems clear it originated in China. I get it. It gets hard now when this involves changes on our part instead of just getting angry at someone else.

One theory on the origin of the 1918 Spanish Flu is that it came from a farm in Kansas (jumped species from pig to human).

Yes and that it is only known as the Spanish flu because they (Spain) didn't cover it up. As far as we know, all pandemics have their origins in human contact with animals.

It will be interesting to see in the future if we got lucky or unlucky here. Will this type of pandemic happen sooner or later. One thing is certain. It will happen again.

[Cowbulls]

Hey Neutral 123 you seem very reasonable and prepared. Any chance you can hook me up with some TP?

[Swish1906]

Out of everyone, Fauci has been most upfront. Social distancing works. As for masks, he states that the government was telling people not to wear masks because they were on shortage to provide hospitals nation-wide - which we all figured. Just as hospitals are now requiring all healthcare personnel wear masks at all times inside the hospital, the CDC will start mandating the public wearing masks with more supply.

It's too late to make everyone wear masks if it gets mandated. I say mandate everyone wears a mask if we are past the 1st wave and we are about to enter a potential 2nd wave of the virus late this year or early next year. So do it for the potential 2nd wave if there is a 2nd wave. But it's too late now in the 1st wave.

Make it mandatory to wear any kind of mask/protection.

Selfmade cotton ones, bandanas/kerchiefs etc. They dont really protect yourself from getting the virus but they help a lot that sick people (the ones with no symptoms thinking they dont have it) dont spread it via droplet infection.

[basketballRob]

CNN reporting over 600 deaths in the United States already today.

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[Neutral 123]

CNN reporting over 600 deaths in the United States already today.

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Unfortunately, this is looking like a bloodbath. Based on projections from the CDC of a similar type virus (similar death rate) expected deaths were 2 million, not the 200k Fauci is stating.

Part of problem is that as soon as people start living normally again, this thing will rage out of control. I'm not sure where a talk of a second wave comes from. It's possible that things slow if weather has an effect combined with current measures, but we are talking about a second avalanche. Going from bad to horrific when the weather turns against us again.

[Triples333]

CNN reporting over 600 deaths in the United States already today.

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Unfortunately, this is looking like a bloodbath. Based on projections from the CDC of a similar type virus (similar death rate) expected deaths were 2 million, not the 200k Fauci is stating.

Part of problem is that as soon as people start living normally again, this thing will rage out of control. I'm not sure where a talk of a second wave comes from. It's possible that things slow if weather has an effect combined with current measures, but we are talking about a second avalanche. Going from bad to horrific when the weather turns against us again.

As testing and increased measures are instituted en masse over the coming weeks, the next wave (if it comes) should be much easier to deal with, not tougher. There will also have been so many that were already infected that a global immunity could be reached sooner than later (depending on how bad this gets initially).

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[Neutral 123]

CNN reporting over 600 deaths in the United States already today.

Sent from my SM-G950U using RealGM mobile app

Unfortunately, this is looking like a bloodbath. Based on projections from the CDC of a similar type virus (similar death rate) expected deaths were 2 million, not the 200k Fauci is stating.

Part of problem is that as soon as people start living normally again, this thing will rage out of control. I'm not sure where a talk of a second wave comes from. It's possible that things slow if weather has an effect combined with current measures, but we are talking about a second avalanche. Going from bad to horrific when the weather turns against us again.

As testing and increased measures are instituted en masse over the coming weeks, the next wave (if it comes) should be much easier to deal with, not tougher. There will also have been so many that were already infected that a global immunity could be reached sooner than later (depending on how bad this gets initially).

It should be easier to deal with as more beds, ventilators, masks etc become available. Without a treatment, this just may make the situation look like frantic rather than substantially better outcomes. Hopefully this thing doesn't mutate.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

What the hell is going on in Louisiana? They have more deaths than California which is 10x the size.

[LKN]

What the hell is going on in Louisiana? They have more deaths than California which is 10x the size.

Nothing good - Michigan looks like a looming disaster also. They have about the same # of deaths as New Jersey despite having just over a third the number of positive test results.

[Stillwater]

Please watch this video interview of an ER Doc in NY
What bothered me is his description of stretchers lined up half way down the block for patients just waiting to be triaged sometimes up to 5 hours only to then be packed like sardines in waiting rooms meanwhile the ER itself is packed with stretchers with all covid 19 positive coughing people lined up like the game Tetris 1-2' from the medical workers with no where to go sometimes waiting 80 hours for a death to occur so a new bed is available because the ICU is full, the Hospital is full even the Medical floors are full and this is the same way in each and every hospital he is affiliated with in NY.

http://www.msnbc.com/katy-tur/watch/nyc-emergency-room-doctor-on-battling-coronavirus-81450053695
This is from ER Doctor Calvin Sun ASSISTANT CLINICAL PROFESSOR | Emergency Medicine
Specialty Emergency Medicine
Hospital Affiliations Mount Sinai Brooklyn Mount Sinai Beth Israel Mount Sinai Queens Mount Sinai Morningside and Mount Sinai West The Mount Sinai Hospital
God help us if this gets this bad nationwide...it's bad enough it's happening there

[basketballRob]

CNN reporting over 600 deaths in the United States already today.

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Unfortunately, this is looking like a bloodbath. Based on projections from the CDC of a similar type virus (similar death rate) expected deaths were 2 million, not the 200k Fauci is stating.

Part of problem is that as soon as people start living normally again, this thing will rage out of control. I'm not sure where a talk of a second wave comes from. It's possible that things slow if weather has an effect combined with current measures, but we are talking about a second avalanche. Going from bad to horrific when the weather turns against us again.

Now they say 770.

Yeah we were badly unprepared and at it got to out of control to keep the death total low.

If they had enough tests they could've tested and isolated people from the beginning, but they bungled that. I wouldn't doubt if some are charged for being negligent after this.

People are being nice because we need the federal government right. After this is over, I believe people from both sides of the aisle will throw them under the bus.

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[Swish1906]

What the hell is going on in Louisiana? They have more deaths than California which is 10x the size.

Mardi Gras, not taking it seriously until it was too late and then still people breaking the order (church services etc)

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-03-25/louisiana-pastor-tony-spell-church-services-coronavirus

[ken6199]

This is not only important for now for those who are out there doing essential jobs for us like food deliveries and police officers, but also critical when we go back to work because wearing masks will significantly reduce the 2nd wave of attack and you know, if we aren't careful enough there will be a 2nd wave.

If a 2nd wave is possible, Could the USA shut down a possible 2nd wave by shutting down any travel IN/OUT of the USA?

Either that or massive strict mask policy. The former hurts the economy, the latter requires substantial mentality change due to the "no mask" culture in western countries. I don't know which one is better. Culture wise Asia is doing the latter and it's easier for them.

[ken6199]

28 of 70 UT Austin ‘Spring Breakers’ test positive for COVID-19. I don't want to be harsh about lives, but hey, EAT THAT SUCKERS!

https://www.kxan.com/news/coronavirus/large-group-of-spring-breakers-return-to-austin-with-covid-19-aph-says/

APH says about a week-and-a-half ago, the group comprised of approximately 70 adults in their 20s left for a spring break trip to Cabo San Lucas, Mexico. Currently, 28 of the 70 have tested positive for COVID-19, and more of them are under public health investigation. The University of Texas at Austin confirmed all 28 people who tested positive were UT students.

[EazyAsPie]

CNN reporting over 600 deaths in the United States already today.

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Unfortunately, this is looking like a bloodbath. Based on projections from the CDC of a similar type virus (similar death rate) expected deaths were 2 million, not the 200k Fauci is stating.

Part of problem is that as soon as people start living normally again, this thing will rage out of control. I'm not sure where a talk of a second wave comes from. It's possible that things slow if weather has an effect combined with current measures, but we are talking about a second avalanche. Going from bad to horrific when the weather turns against us again.

Can you provide any links or sources to this? Or is it just pure speculation? I've noticed that a few post I try quoting that are on the optimistic side have been taken down, yet ones like this have stayed up. Honest question, is this thread mainly to instill the fear into others? Or is it for factual information? My bad if I'm stepping on toes here as it's an honest question.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

CNN reporting over 600 deaths in the United States already today.

Sent from my SM-G950U using RealGM mobile app

Unfortunately, this is looking like a bloodbath. Based on projections from the CDC of a similar type virus (similar death rate) expected deaths were 2 million, not the 200k Fauci is stating.

Part of problem is that as soon as people start living normally again, this thing will rage out of control. I'm not sure where a talk of a second wave comes from. It's possible that things slow if weather has an effect combined with current measures, but we are talking about a second avalanche. Going from bad to horrific when the weather turns against us again.

They're hoping that it slows down with the weather, but it's spreading in the Southern hemisphere which is still in late summer. They are up to 5700 cases in Brazil and 4500 in Australia, if it's like MERs then the weather will have no impact on it, if it's like SARs we should see a pullback.

But, the only way to stop the 2nd wave from getting out of hand is for our CDC and government to pull their heads out of their asses and issue a federal mandate that all people in public and work spaces wear masks, punishable by fine. Even homemade masks would help contain the spread by stopping asymptomatic carriers from passing it on. In countries that wear masks they are having success all around the world controlling the spread. Also, we'd have to issue travel bans to countries where it's still spreading and quarantine anyone who comes back from a hot spot.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

CNN reporting over 600 deaths in the United States already today.

Sent from my SM-G950U using RealGM mobile app

Unfortunately, this is looking like a bloodbath. Based on projections from the CDC of a similar type virus (similar death rate) expected deaths were 2 million, not the 200k Fauci is stating.

Part of problem is that as soon as people start living normally again, this thing will rage out of control. I'm not sure where a talk of a second wave comes from. It's possible that things slow if weather has an effect combined with current measures, but we are talking about a second avalanche. Going from bad to horrific when the weather turns against us again.

Can you provide any links or sources to this? Or is it just pure speculation? I've noticed that a few post I try quoting that are on the optimistic side have been taken down, yet ones like this have stayed up. Honest question, is this thread mainly to instill the fear into others? Or is it for factual information? My bad if I'm stepping on toes here as it's an honest question.

A 2nd wave would come from easing restrictions and people falsely assuming the virus is gone, and once we enter summer that means the Southern Hemisphere is in their winter. The virus is everywhere now so it can come back after the summer, assuming the weather slows it down. They're modeling the idea of first and second waves after the flu, which dies down in the summer and comes back in the fall because of each hemisphere enters a different season.

[e83pw2oa9hl5f]

CNN reporting over 600 deaths in the United States already today.

Sent from my SM-G950U using RealGM mobile app

Unfortunately, this is looking like a bloodbath. Based on projections from the CDC of a similar type virus (similar death rate) expected deaths were 2 million, not the 200k Fauci is stating.

Part of problem is that as soon as people start living normally again, this thing will rage out of control. I'm not sure where a talk of a second wave comes from. It's possible that things slow if weather has an effect combined with current measures, but we are talking about a second avalanche. Going from bad to horrific when the weather turns against us again.

Can you provide any links or sources to this? Or is it just pure speculation? I've noticed that a few post I try quoting that are on the optimistic side have been taken down, yet ones like this have stayed up. Honest question, is this thread mainly to instill the fear into others? Or is it for factual information? My bad if I'm stepping on toes here as it's an honest question.

Deal with the real problem and that is that the choice of the stock market was made over going into a pandemic plan. Weather ? No. It is about how everything is open for business. It is going to make this drag on in the states for a long time and have a higher ecomic and life impact. Regarldess if you watch cnn. Tune into SKY UK or ABC Australia. If your to paranoid and dilusional to trust your local news. But deal with facts and reality and not what ifs.