Woj: Some Players getting cold feet about playing in Orlando

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Re: Woj: Some Players getting cold feet about playing in Orlando 

Post#541 » by jpengland » Sat Jun 13, 2020 8:51 am

Dan Z wrote:
Black Jack wrote:Not just hurricane folks...the freaking 2020 election and Florida is THE election trainwreck state! Trump and the MAGA army vs likely massive waves of BLM protesters!

Virus raging. Trump. GOP convention. Black Lives Matter protests. Hurricanes. Botched election procedures by shady GOP state officials. Maybe locusts.

It. Will. Be. Insane. :D :D :D


Why did the NBA pick Orlando? There won't be any fans so couldn't it be any place that has a stadium? Why not in an area that has less going on?


Disney is essentially it's own city and can control who enters/leaves.

It has all the relevant infrastructure for use as a bubble and an army of employees to call on.
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Re: Woj: Some Players getting cold feet about playing in Orlando 

Post#542 » by Black Jack » Sat Jun 13, 2020 8:58 am

jpengland wrote:
Dan Z wrote:
Black Jack wrote:Not just hurricane folks...the freaking 2020 election and Florida is THE election trainwreck state! Trump and the MAGA army vs likely massive waves of BLM protesters!

Virus raging. Trump. GOP convention. Black Lives Matter protests. Hurricanes. Botched election procedures by shady GOP state officials. Maybe locusts.

It. Will. Be. Insane. :D :D :D


Why did the NBA pick Orlando? There won't be any fans so couldn't it be any place that has a stadium? Why not in an area that has less going on?


Disney is essentially it's own city and can control who enters/leaves.

It has all the relevant infrastructure for use as a bubble and an army of employees to call on.


This sounds logical but I prefer my explanation: it's 2020, and any important choice by large government or private sector leaders is guaranteed to be horrible and stupid.
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Re: Woj: Some Players getting cold feet about playing in Orlando 

Post#543 » by TimRobbins » Sat Jun 13, 2020 9:03 am

I find it odd that a guy who's injured and going to get paid regardless is advocating that other players don't play and forfeit their pay.

Slavery is long gone. Any player that doesn't want to play can sit out. No problem whatsoever.
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Re: Woj: Some Players getting cold feet about playing in Orlando 

Post#544 » by Sir-Swish-A-Lot » Sat Jun 13, 2020 9:03 am

WHITE_HOT_HEAT wrote:Kyrie, the attention whoring clown... It's the little guys that are affected for years if seasons are cancelled. All the associated jobs.
How risky is it for guys who are in peak physical shape with the best private medical care available to them. I'm far from that and I've started risking it about a month ago.
Pissed me off watching this ultra privileged douche trying to sabotage a season and make it all about himself..

I mean.. he's a (Please Use More Appropriate Word) flat-earther for GODSAKE!
I bet he has no idea about the basics of virology, statistics or anything to analyse the situation properly. On top of that, he isn't playing. Giant **** douche. FOH

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Re: Woj: Some Players getting cold feet about playing in Orlando 

Post#545 » by Eric Millegan » Sat Jun 13, 2020 9:18 am

Dan Z wrote:
Black Jack wrote:Not just hurricane folks...the freaking 2020 election and Florida is THE election trainwreck state! Trump and the MAGA army vs likely massive waves of BLM protesters!

Virus raging. Trump. GOP convention. Black Lives Matter protests. Hurricanes. Botched election procedures by shady GOP state officials. Maybe locusts.

It. Will. Be. Insane. :D :D :D


Why did the NBA pick Orlando? There won't be any fans so couldn't it be any place that has a stadium? Why not in an area that has less going on?

You need more than one stadium. Disney World has TWELVE basketball courts.
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Re: Woj: Some Players getting cold feet about playing in Orlando 

Post#546 » by Dez » Sat Jun 13, 2020 9:30 am

The players have every right to not play if they don't want to risk it in these circumstances but teams should have every right to not pay those players who don't want to play.

Although I don't really understand the skepticism of players? Going into the bubble at Disney World is probably the safest place in America.
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Post#547 » by trickshot » Sat Jun 13, 2020 9:37 am

ratul wrote:Lol is the nba trying to slander a black player during an uprising about civil rights? So they can force black people to play in a cesspool in Florida? Insane.

That's the thing. Nobody is being forced. No one has to go to Orlando if they want to sit out for the protests. The ones who don't want to play can't turn it around and force everyone else to sit. That's the irony of the situation here
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Post#548 » by Stavrogin » Sat Jun 13, 2020 9:38 am

This is awesome. I hope the NBA folds
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Post#549 » by JN61 » Sat Jun 13, 2020 9:42 am

And nobody is surprised it's Irving. Dude can't even play and he does this nonsense because he can't. Shameful.
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Post#550 » by basketballRob » Sat Jun 13, 2020 10:09 am

Sir-Swish-A-Lot wrote:The NBA is scheduled to be in Florida during hurricane season...wow. Silver isn't thinking this through properly.

Each year hurricane season begins on June 1st and lasts 5 months, with storms typically peaking in August and September.

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Lol. I'm surprised at all the people that don't want them to play basketball at all and will continue try to throw out reasons.

You also forgot that it will be very hot. Plus a boy was killed by an alligator at Disney a few years ago.

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Post#551 » by basketballRob » Sat Jun 13, 2020 10:12 am

Black Jack wrote:Not just hurricane folks...the freaking 2020 election and Florida is THE election trainwreck state! Trump and the MAGA army vs likely massive waves of BLM protesters!

Virus raging. Trump. GOP convention. Black Lives Matter protests. Hurricanes. Botched election procedures by shady GOP state officials. Maybe locusts.

It. Will. Be. Insane. :D :D :D
Haha, that's funny. Things are good in Florida. Looking forward to basketball starting.

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Post#552 » by basketballRob » Sat Jun 13, 2020 10:17 am

Mister Ze wrote:Bunch of Einstein’s approving a hurricane hot-bed as the place to resume the season
Not sure why the NBA makes players go to Canada in the winter. We should just have summer league up there and nothing else.

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Post#553 » by basketballRob » Sat Jun 13, 2020 10:19 am

Stavrogin wrote:This is awesome. I hope the NBA folds
I feel that. Some here don't want the NBA to go on at all costs.

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Re: Woj: Some Players getting cold feet about playing in Orlando 

Post#554 » by Froob » Sat Jun 13, 2020 11:12 am

thebigbird wrote:I truly do not understand the idea of sitting out because of "social justice." They can draw more attention to the cause if they're playing in the games than they would showing up to protests.

That’s what I was thinking, I guess they don’t want to draw attention away but, they have to play again eventually..? It’s tough to imagine the NBA returning is going to hurt the protest in a real one.

Maybe they can find a way to do it and draw attention in the process in a bigger way than before.
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Re: Woj: Some Players getting cold feet about playing in Orlando 

Post#555 » by Old Man Game » Sat Jun 13, 2020 11:25 am

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thebigbird wrote:I truly do not understand the idea of sitting out because of "social justice." They can draw more attention to the cause if they're playing in the games than they would showing up to protests.

That’s what I was thinking, I guess they don’t want to draw attention away but, they have to play again eventually..? It’s tough to imagine the NBA returning is going to hurt the protest in a real one.

Maybe they can find a way to do it and draw attention in the process in a bigger way than before.


NBA players are some of the very few people in the Country that regularly get to be on live TV for 2+ hours multiple times a week. They play in a league that (by in large) has been friendly to social justice causes. Hard to see how sitting out the season would be better for them to raise awareness than just playing those games and using them as a platform.
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Post#556 » by Patches Perry » Sat Jun 13, 2020 11:37 am

I really, really want the NBA and sports to return, because without them everyone is going mad. That said, there are just too many obstacles for it to work imo. I applaud the players that want to play and I'm sure there are many, and I'm sure the ones who don't want to play have their reasons ranging from truly altruistic to truly selfish. Doesn't matter, it's their life and choice.

The unfortunate reality is that if this doesn't work, it's likely going to jeopardize the entire 2020-2021 season as well, because I don't see stadiums with fans being a thing for at least a year or so. This means lots of lost money for players and owners.

Whether players realize it or not, if they are against returning this season because of the conditions of the return, they are also undermining the probability of a return for the entire 2020-2021 season because conditions aren't likely to change drastically.
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Re: Woj: Some Players getting cold feet about playing in Orlando 

Post#557 » by JShuttlesworth » Sat Jun 13, 2020 11:44 am

Agree with the few posts above. That was my initial thought.

I view basketball resuming as an opportunity for those athletes to add to demonstrations and put their voice out there. The entire world is going to be watching, it doesn’t have to take away from the protests and demonstrations that are happening.

Garrett Temple said the same thing. They can brainstorm together while their all in the bubble, think of the best course of action, and use their platform.

As someone who isn’t black and doesn’t live in America, I suppose my opinion doesn’t matter for much.
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Re: Woj: Some Players getting cold feet about playing in Orlando 

Post#558 » by Zombiesonics » Sat Jun 13, 2020 11:59 am

This whole idea of the owners “scrapping the cba” because players are uneasy about playing in a bubble for 2 months where there IS NO REAL
PLAN going forward? Nobody knows what happens if a team gets hit with the virus... they just automatically get disqualified?

The optics of this aren’t great imo with the nba haphazardly rushing to not lose money , even if their league could take an even more colossal hit for a various of reasons.
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Post#559 » by basketballRob » Sat Jun 13, 2020 12:07 pm

Zombiesonics wrote:This whole idea of the owners “scrapping the cba” because players are uneasy about playing in a bubble for 2 months where there IS NO REAL
PLAN going forward? Nobody knows what happens if a team gets hit with the virus... they just automatically get disqualified?

The optics of this aren’t great imo with the nba haphazardly rushing to not lose money , even if their league could take an even more colossal hit for a various of reasons.
I doubt a whole team would get it with daily testing. They came out with a study that asymptomatic people can't spread it. You can only spread it when showing symptoms.

By the way, next year and the year after, players will have the possibility of getting coronavirus.

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Re: Woj: Some Players getting cold feet about playing in Orlando 

Post#560 » by Hornet Mania » Sat Jun 13, 2020 12:48 pm

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Zombiesonics wrote:This whole idea of the owners “scrapping the cba” because players are uneasy about playing in a bubble for 2 months where there IS NO REAL
PLAN going forward? Nobody knows what happens if a team gets hit with the virus... they just automatically get disqualified?

The optics of this aren’t great imo with the nba haphazardly rushing to not lose money , even if their league could take an even more colossal hit for a various of reasons.
I doubt a whole team would get it with daily testing. They came out with a study that asymptomatic people can't spread it. You can only spread it when showing symptoms.

By the way, next year and the year after, players will have the possibility of getting coronavirus.


The WHO did briefly claim that asymptomatic spread was 'rare' (not impossible), but they walked that statement back almost immediately. In any case the WHO has a poor record of Covid-19 predictions and seem to be influenced by optics/politics as much as science at this stage so I wouldn't bet my life, or my league, on their expertise at the moment.

I agree that playing under the specter of pandemic is inevitable unless the league wants to go on a 2-3yr hiatus, but I think it's also true that the league has handled this transition incredibly poorly.

The league is making drastic changes with input from only a handful of representatives when they actually need something close to 90% buy-in from their work force for this enterprise to be feasible at all. The league had to know that at least a few players were going to question the wisdom of the 'bubble' idea so they should have sought out the reasons why those players were concerned and spoken to their concerns directly. At minimum they should have held a vote where all the players got a say just to at least establish the veneer of popular will. Instead the owners voted, representatives from the NBAPA quickly rubber stamped that decision, and now some players feel like they're getting strong-armed into something they never chose.

The situation has been further complicated by new details like how Disney employees can move in and out of the 'bubble', a detail I'm sure many players did not expect. So if a player was shaky about the situation that's just making things worse, the league says 'oh, it's safe, there's a bubble' then you find out the bubble only applies to you not everyone you'll potentially come into contact with. The whole restart has been slapped together too fast, the push back was inevitable. It's up to the league to answer the concerns, if they ignore them it will get worse. They have to be receptive to the worries not only so they can restart in August but also so we can have basketball in 2021 and beyond.

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